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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On June 18 2012 16:58 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 16:54 Rekrul wrote:On June 18 2012 16:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On June 18 2012 08:14 2Pacalypse- wrote:This blog makes me angry. Not only are you associating yourself with BW veterans when you joined TL two years ago (yes, join date on TL is a sacred thing), but you're also categorizing whole BW community with couple of comments from LR threads... (and except that first comment, other two comments have nothing to do with being a BW fan). Sure, BW fans are angry and bitter that the professional BW scene which they watched and loved for last ten years is gonna be no more. But we're mostly angry at the fact that it's not dying a natural death (loss of interest), but it's being killed by various, unnatural reasons (match fixing etc.). So while I'm not defending people who post stuff like that first comment you quoted, I'd just like you to realize where they're coming from. And yes, this once, feel free to send me angry PMs and 1/5 this blog. Solidify my thoughts. Prove me right, one way or another. This is also pretty childish. So whoever sends you angry PMs and 1/5 this blog is... proving you right? Give me a break. This post makes me angry. 2006, veteran? I've been here since 2002, get off my lawn. What the BW community has become started sickening me a long time ago, and I've seen the same kind of decay in other games too... and it saddens me everytime. Beautiful game, but it's time for it to go - you are kidding yourself if you think it's purely SC2 or matchfixing's fault that its time is now coming to an end. It does kinda piss me off how elitist people who - comparatively - are complete newcomers (2-3 years) to BW progaming, can get -- Yeah, you started watching when Savior was at his prime, I watched Sync vs H.O.T and I still feel pretty newschool compared to the guys who used to post on here back then -_- but...talking shit about sc2 and being a bw elitist is fun don't hate on us for hating, we love to hate, theres nothing left to do with our time now why so 진지해 everyone? like...shame??? seriously? LOL. Go shit on Halo, not people who enjoy SC.
thats no fun 
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I wouldn't be ashamed, it's not like you're responsible for their behavior.
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Canada5155 Posts
It's part of the grieving process.
Change sucks. BW for life, etc.
Call it a griefing process for the pun.
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On June 18 2012 17:02 Rekrul wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 16:58 tofucake wrote:On June 18 2012 16:54 Rekrul wrote:On June 18 2012 16:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On June 18 2012 08:14 2Pacalypse- wrote:This blog makes me angry. Not only are you associating yourself with BW veterans when you joined TL two years ago (yes, join date on TL is a sacred thing), but you're also categorizing whole BW community with couple of comments from LR threads... (and except that first comment, other two comments have nothing to do with being a BW fan). Sure, BW fans are angry and bitter that the professional BW scene which they watched and loved for last ten years is gonna be no more. But we're mostly angry at the fact that it's not dying a natural death (loss of interest), but it's being killed by various, unnatural reasons (match fixing etc.). So while I'm not defending people who post stuff like that first comment you quoted, I'd just like you to realize where they're coming from. And yes, this once, feel free to send me angry PMs and 1/5 this blog. Solidify my thoughts. Prove me right, one way or another. This is also pretty childish. So whoever sends you angry PMs and 1/5 this blog is... proving you right? Give me a break. This post makes me angry. 2006, veteran? I've been here since 2002, get off my lawn. What the BW community has become started sickening me a long time ago, and I've seen the same kind of decay in other games too... and it saddens me everytime. Beautiful game, but it's time for it to go - you are kidding yourself if you think it's purely SC2 or matchfixing's fault that its time is now coming to an end. It does kinda piss me off how elitist people who - comparatively - are complete newcomers (2-3 years) to BW progaming, can get -- Yeah, you started watching when Savior was at his prime, I watched Sync vs H.O.T and I still feel pretty newschool compared to the guys who used to post on here back then -_- but...talking shit about sc2 and being a bw elitist is fun don't hate on us for hating, we love to hate, theres nothing left to do with our time now why so 진지해 everyone? like...shame??? seriously? LOL. Go shit on Halo, not people who enjoy SC. thats no fun
the correct response would be
"sc2 isn't starcraft"
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On June 18 2012 07:46 GMarshal wrote:
GMarshal, proud fan of broodwar and D- player, out.
And yes, this once, feel free to send me angry PMs and 1/5 this blog. Solidify my thoughts. Prove me right, one way or another.
Why would we want to argue with you over anything if you announce you will never change your opinion? This is kinda producing just what you want to avoid, having more trolls.
I'm also with 2pac's first post. Pretty offending to be counted among people that flame in LR threads. BW is more than just Korea or single haters. Even more than TL. I see you registered around two years ago, have around 12k posts (what) - don't you think you might just be just a little bit biased?
Get over it, every page has idiots, TL less than most, but still.
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United States10328 Posts
I still think that with the exception of a small [but vocal] minority, BW fans are angry that:
1) BW is dead (and I'm still pretty sure the primary reasons, or at least catalysts, for that are matchfixing + Blizzard's pushing of SC2), and
2) many [not all!!] SC2 players seem to enjoy the fact that BW is dead. With dozens [since 2010] of random 100-post users coming into the BW forums to laugh at our misery, don't tell us that such people don't exist.
I wouldn't say BW fans are always shitting on the "SC2 community" as a whole, but on disrespectful members thereof. I think disrespectful BW fans should be reprimanded as well, though again, I think it's rarer for BW fans to go into SC2 forums just to shit on SC2.
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People seem to think that justified anger equals it being okay to act like an idiot.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
someone shine the milkis-signal into the sky plz
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Im getting scared with all the mods gods flexing for one another D:
PS: What do you call someone whos followed the KR BW scene for many years (like since 2004 on and off, as I was a child) but was never a part of a community like TL?
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On June 18 2012 18:12 JerKy wrote:
Im getting scared with all the mods gods flexing for one another D:
PS: What do you call someone whos followed the KR BW scene for many years (like since 2004 on and off, as I was a child) but was never a part of a community like TL?
a korean citizen
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On June 18 2012 18:12 JerKy wrote:
Im getting scared with all the mods gods flexing for one another D:
PS: What do you call someone whos followed the KR BW scene for many years (like since 2004 on and off, as I was a child) but was never a part of a community like TL?
Barbarians obviously
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Shoot... I'm a Korean barbarian. Time to start D3?
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50898 Posts
does my join date really not make me BW fan???
I like BW.
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Italy12246 Posts
I am an sc2 "newbie"; i got into the game slightly after it was released, and i have been enjoying it since. I figured i can represent reasonably well your average sc2 fan.
Honestly, i don't like hearing "yeah sc2 fans are so happy bw is dead!". It depends, but on average, we aren't. Some don't give a fuck since they only heard some far away story about it, but never really cared about it, watched it or anything. Others, like me, actually got into bw with sc2. I have watched plenty of Sayle's casts, the last OSL season, the last two proleague seasons, plenty of vods (i even blogged requesting about the most epic games featuring reavers because those things are fucking awesome). Not much, but enough to understand that bw is an amazing game (as in the best competitive rts ever made), love it deeply, and feel sad for its demise.
The only idiots that post crap about bw bashing it, are the same morons that balance whine in ever fucking lr thread ever, the same that bash idra in his fanclub every time he loses to an 11/11, and post "im at work so i didn't watch the replay, but just macro better and you'll be fine" in a strategy thread. The are just that, idiots, and we really just shouldn't give a flying fuck about them, wether we are sc2 fans, bw fans, or both. The mods at TL will eventually just ban them all or force them to shape up.
The fact is, we enjoy this game, for different reasons. To me, right now bw is definitely the better game, and at the highest level of bw, the games are better, but it's just fascinating to see the evolution of sc2, the players getting better, and the game quality rising. Hell when i watch gsl season 1 sometimes, i think "shit i could have beaten these guys". We already have some games that are arguably as good as bw ones (i've recommended plenty in other posts). Maybe, just maybe, sc2 will never be as good, it will never have that aura. But maybe it's also acceptable that yeah, it's kinda a good game, and it might eventually get as good as bw is, so why bash it. Just accept it's different, exactly like Moba games are different from Rts for example.
I understand the rage and pain of the bw community, i understand that sc2 right now isn't what they hope it would immediately become, but eh, sometimes it kinda feels like vets are like old people sitting at a bar complaining about everything used to be better (no offence to anyone of course).
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I think that BW fans simply do not find SC2 entertaining and losing our source of entertainment that has accompanied us over the years has made us depressed. After watching occasional SC2 games since the beta until now, I could barely squeeze out an single ounce of entertainment as most of the games simply bored me to sleep, it was so bad until I actually fell asleep once watching a GSL finals.
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On June 18 2012 18:26 Teoita wrote:
I am an sc2 "newbie"; i got into the game slightly after it was released, and i have been enjoying it since. I figured i can represent reasonably well your average sc2 fan.
Honestly, i don't like hearing "yeah sc2 fans are so happy bw is dead!". It depends, but on average, we aren't. Some don't give a fuck since they only heard some far away story about it, but never really cared about it, watched it or anything. Others, like me, actually got into bw with sc2. I have watched plenty of Sayle's casts, the last OSL season, the last two proleague seasons, plenty of vods (i even blogged requesting about the most epic games featuring reavers because those things are fucking awesome). Not much, but enough to understand that bw is an amazing game (as in the best competitive rts ever made), love it deeply, and feel sad for its demise.
The only idiots that post crap about bw bashing it, are the same morons that balance whine in ever fucking lr thread ever, the same that bash idra in his fanclub every time he loses to an 11/11, and post "im at work so i didn't watch the replay, but just macro better and you'll be fine" in a strategy thread. The are just that, idiots, and we really just shouldn't give a flying fuck about them, wether we are sc2 fans, bw fans, or both. The mods at TL will eventually just ban them all or force them to shape up.
The fact is, we enjoy this game, for different reasons. To me, right now bw is definitely the better game, and at the highest level of bw, the games are better, but it's just fascinating to see the evolution of sc2, the players getting better, and the game quality rising. Hell when i watch gsl season 1 sometimes, i think "shit i could have beaten these guys". We already have some games that are arguably as good as bw ones (i've recommended plenty in other posts). Maybe, just maybe, sc2 will never be as good, it will never have that aura. But maybe it's also acceptable that yeah, it's kinda a good game, and it might eventually get as good as bw is, so why bash it. Just accept it's different, exactly like Moba games are different from Rts for example.
I understand the rage and pain of the bw community, i understand that sc2 right now isn't what they hope it would immediately become, but eh, sometimes it kinda feels like vets are like old people sitting at a bar complaining about everything used to be better (no offence to anyone of course).
I agree with your sentiments, this is a good post  (coming from an average bitter BW fan)
On June 18 2012 18:29 BarneyEX wrote:
I think that BW fans simply do not find SC2 entertaining and losing our source of entertainment that has accompanied us over the years has made us depressed. After watching occasional SC2 games since the beta until now, I could barely squeeze out an single ounce of entertainment as most of the games simply bored me to sleep, it was so bad until I actually fell asleep once watching a GSL finals.
I agree with this criticism too, for me it has always seemed more like WC3 than BW but without heroes, and I never found WC3 even remotely enjoyable beyond a few months after it came out. But that being said, as the above poster recognises, and GMarshal adumbrated, there's 'no use crying over spilt milk', and bw exclusive fans trying to inflict their frustration on COMPLETELY INNOCENT SC2 fans is weird and not welcome.
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On June 18 2012 18:29 BarneyEX wrote:
I think that BW fans simply do not find SC2 entertaining and losing our source of entertainment that has accompanied us over the years has made us depressed. After watching occasional SC2 games since the beta until now, I could barely squeeze out an single ounce of entertainment as most of the games simply bored me to sleep, it was so bad until I actually fell asleep once watching a GSL finals.
Bingo!
There is a big group of people that will be left with nothing after professional BW demise, just because they do not like SC2. This is most honest and most proper feeling. You may like chocolate but you are not forced to like chocolate cake for example, and no one in the world would force you to do so.
Now what is left for them? Simply retiring, their hobby is declared dead and past. Im talking about majority of BW fans here, minority is still playing/following foreign BW, kudos to them. But its not that simply, certain bonds were created, some of them are KT fans, Bisu fans, Flash fans, whatever fans. And they DO NOT LIKE chocolate cake. Its pretty hard time for them i must admit. Its not elitism its simply being involved in something emotionally, and people who call these true fans elitist simply never yet experienced this. But im pretty sure they will in the future if there will be one, SC2/SC3 will repeat the process.
Edit: I may be pretty new to TL but i experienced the similar issue with CS1.6/Source, in 2004 everyone looked up for Source but most 1.6 people tried it few times and unistalled, there was 10% of 1.6 in Source and there was no point for people who loved 1.6 to play Source. Thankfully there was no transition back then, but if there was im pretty sure i would as mad as "angry BW elitists" are right now.
I follow BW/SC2 and treat it separately, they are totally different after all.
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Italy12246 Posts
Sure, but that doesn't mean you should say people have terrible taste in food because they do like choccolate cake.
At the same time, none should go around saying "lolol sucks to be you, now we only have choccolate cake instead of choccolate, deal with it bitch!"
The op's point is focused on the first part, but really it's a mutual thing. We should just respect each other's taste in games and esports, wether it's different rts, mobas or what have you.
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the Dagon Knight4011 Posts
As much as there are bad elements, the best I've seen from the BW community has been this fantastic little rallying call that people are putting out. The little BW tournaments that have been breaking out have been a blast; sure, the level of play is nothing like what we were going to see in the OSL/MSL, but that doesn't mean there isn't a whole lot of fun to be had with it at the amateur level.
Godspeed Trozz and Torenhire (and anyone else putting together amateur BW stuff). You're making it great.
It's important to take the good with the bad, I feel.
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