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On June 18 2012 19:28 SirJolt wrote:
As much as there are bad elements, the best I've seen from the BW community has been this fantastic little rallying call that people are putting out. The little BW tournaments that have been breaking out have been a blast; sure, the level of play is nothing like what we were going to see in the OSL/MSL, but that doesn't mean there isn't a whole lot of fun to be had with it at the amateur level.
Godspeed Trozz and Torenhire (and anyone else putting together amateur BW stuff). You're making it great.
It's important to take the good with the bad, I feel.
I hope that you will succed and never fall, while im not fan of amateur BW i sincerely cheer for you everytime. True sports/hobbies never die. And im pretty sure soon Korea will launch some BW entartainment i mean BW is still top10 played game there and when BW stops airing there HAS to be something broadcasted right? Because the demand is still there. Viva la revolution?
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A good nights sleep later, this blog looks a lot more bitter than I think I intended it to be.
Not that I disagree with my main point, but were I to do it again it would be a lot less angry, I think.
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On June 18 2012 16:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 08:14 2Pacalypse- wrote:This blog makes me angry. Not only are you associating yourself with BW veterans when you joined TL two years ago (yes, join date on TL is a sacred thing), but you're also categorizing whole BW community with couple of comments from LR threads... (and except that first comment, other two comments have nothing to do with being a BW fan). Sure, BW fans are angry and bitter that the professional BW scene which they watched and loved for last ten years is gonna be no more. But we're mostly angry at the fact that it's not dying a natural death (loss of interest), but it's being killed by various, unnatural reasons (match fixing etc.). So while I'm not defending people who post stuff like that first comment you quoted, I'd just like you to realize where they're coming from. And yes, this once, feel free to send me angry PMs and 1/5 this blog. Solidify my thoughts. Prove me right, one way or another. This is also pretty childish. So whoever sends you angry PMs and 1/5 this blog is... proving you right? Give me a break. This post makes me angry. 2006, veteran? I've been here since 2002, get off my lawn. What the BW community has become started sickening me a long time ago, and I've seen the same kind of decay in other games too... and it saddens me everytime. Beautiful game, but it's time for it to go - you are kidding yourself if you think it's purely SC2 or matchfixing's fault that its time is now coming to an end. It does kinda piss me off how elitist people who - comparatively - are complete newcomers (2-3 years) to BW progaming, can get -- Yeah, you started watching when Savior was at his prime, I watched Sync vs H.O.T and I still feel pretty newschool compared to the guys who used to post on here back then -_-
I'm sorry FA, but that post sucks. It's time for it to go? Go where? Are you telling me I can't join ICCup and play a RvR vs Rekrul anymore?
And besides, why is it the time for it to go away? Please enlighten me.
Anyways, I'd like to point out that most of those idiotic posts from BW fans come from the threads where SC2 and BW are intertwined. And that's understandable (not justified), because the general atmosphere in those threads is usually dark and gloom due to yet another bad news for BW scene.
But if you take a look at any other thread in BW community, you'd see that most BW fans are very helpful and just want to spread the awesomeness of their game.
On June 18 2012 17:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
People seem to think that justified anger equals it being okay to act like an idiot.
No one thinks that...
There are idiots in any community and no one is defending them. We're defending the rest of community who gets pegged as idiots just by being in the same community.
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Shame eh ? It doesn't matter any more .. I am lucky I have disconnect my self from starcraft forever and focus on my future in real life . Good luck to the starcraft bw community and good friends(kt fans,skt fans, blind rawr and everyone that I gotten close to during our bw frenzy back than ). Thanks for the memories at least I had fun back than .
Arguing with skt fans that my kt players aren't just some scrubs was fun.....Watching Boxer micro his MnM vs Yellow was the most amazing thing for me as a bw newbie .... Watching jangbi owning fantasy in the osl 2011 was fun..... Broodwar left me with so much memories that I am sure I will dream of it some days even if I don't play or advocate for it any more.
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All the posts acting like all there is left in the bw community is spite disgust me. Please show some respect to people who work to keep brood war alive (because it is alive, even if you don't acknowledge it).
But I'll focus on the one good critcism in the thread. Nazgul in one line has done better than every other hater out there. Listen to him.
Also I'm 200% behind 2pac.
And bgx comeback in a few month, maybe watching amateur bw will be easier for you then ?
1/5 if only because the last line before the edit. Because you angered me. And reminded me of reddit's best part "downvotes really ?". I thought tl was better than this.
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Normally I hate you because you warned me a couple of times already
but 5/5 for this.
Stop whining, elitism is the lamest form of lame.
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On June 18 2012 15:48 ghrur wrote:I consider myself a BW fan. I love it to death. I still play it a ton, and I'm trying to get into the foreign community, and I think it's fine right now. You're just looking at the wrong places. I think the DRTL, ISL, ASL, etc. threads are quite good generally. The ones with interviews and summaries are filled with interesting information. I also love the fact that we get ex-pros streaming on Twitch now. It's incredible. And I love the small, close-knit community feel that comes from it. I abhor the fact that Korean pro-BW is dying. I feel like Ideas, in that I don't want to watch these players, whom I cherished and loved, play a horrible match that ruins my idea of them. Taekbang Leessang and Fanta are supposed to be infallible. They're supposed to have insane reaction times, builds, timings, etc. that makes me drop my jaw in awe. I don't want to watch a new season where they're just as mediocre as hyvaa or Roro or somebody. So I don't watch Proleague anymore. Maybe when they get good at SC2, I will for the players, because as Harem said, support the players, but for now, I want to keep my image of my BW idols. Because... isn't that what matters at the end of the day? Our pristine images of Yellow as the Storm Zerg, Boxer as the Emperor, OoV as the Cheater Terran, NaDa as the genius terran, Flash as God, and Jaedong as the Tyrant? I don't remember them as mediocre SC2 players or has-been BW players at the end of their careers. I remember them at their prime, and Korean BW's prime has ended. I'll cherish it well, but I don't want to ruin its image now. It's too late now. To be honest, I wish Alethios's article were true. Korean BW wasn't downed quickly in its prime. Sure it was cut, but now, it's just bleeding a slow, agonizing death. I can't bear to watch my friend die like that. That said, I don't hate SC2. I think the community's fine. The game can be entertaining. I like watching MLGs, Dreamhacks, IPLs, etc. I mean, there are too many games for my taste, but I loved the KeSPA invitational. I'm going to enjoy Dreamhack (GO TL!). I thought DRG vs Alicia was hella entertaining. But it's nowhere near the heights of BW. Even games like Stephano vs Polt at MLG had stupid lapses of attention, poor multitasking, late reactions, and shitty decision making when compared to the pristine matches of Leessang-rok or Jangbi vs Fantasy. And that makes me bitter. It makes me bitter as hell. I can't believe such incredible games like Bisu vs Flash at the end of Proleague is being replaced by shit like this. YOU CAN'T EVEN FORCEFIELD CORRECTLY! But then, I get a sense of elitism. Ha! You can't play as well as our pros! They'll crush you! You just wait! And I totally understand how people are posting such hateful, spiteful messages in the BW threads. Hell, I feel the same way. Fuck you SC2 for taking my pros away and making them play such shitty games like that, filled with micro-restrictions and everything! Fuck you SC2 for taking away those beautiful BW News posts! Fuck you SC2 for taking away Stork's reaver micro, Jaedong's Mutas, and Fantasy's vultures! I don't even like Fantasy! I don't post such hateful messages, though. There's no point. Pro-BW will die, and I'll have to accept it. I hate it, I hate it to death, but I'll have to accept it. There's no point to my hate either. It's all just emotional outpourings out of grief and sadness. At the end of the day, my hate doesn't mean anything. SC2 will grow anyway. My favorite BW players have moved on. I already watch the game and get tense excitement out of it sometime. Why should I post such messages when the SC2 community is filled with incredible people anyway? No, it's better to leave my rants and temper tantrums to myself, and it's better to just watch with joy as the foreign community tries to grow up again. To watch this new home grown community find a place for itself and earn sustainability, hopefully as well as the FGC. It's time to get some new heroes in BW for me, like Sziky, Sneazel, KC, and Pike. It's time to love whatever I can get as I watch Eagle and Larva stream, and hope for more like Mahell and Minho. Besides, I think having a positive outlook makes me happier too. So, to wrap up this uber-long post, to hell with hate. I'd rather be happy. 
This post hasn't gotten enough love I feel. It almost feels to me like I wrote it myself. Hats off, good sir!
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It's shameful behavior, but I agree that BW is just more fun to watch. I don't know why, and it's probably just nostalgia, but it's my opinion. Hopefully the expansions make it more interesting. Cautiously optimistic.
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I'm of the opinion that all kinds of hate on the internet is to be accepted and cherished, it keeps the kids off the streets, and we all know nerds don't last long on the street.
Love our raging BW-veterans, don't ever let go of those cranky old bastards!
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Kinda funny that sc2 vs bw debates are starting to sound like theism vs atheism discussions
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The bullshit runs both ways, seeing it doesn't make me ashamed of liking BW, it makes me ashamed of being part of the community.
It'll burn itself out in time, we just look like idiots until it happens.
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Beautiful game, but it's time for it to go
Screw you Jinro, let us have our game!
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Good blog. The thing in the BW community that is really making me sad is that the efforts to keep (semi)professional BW alive don't get the attention they deserve. I got into professional BW very late (bought the game in 2002, but only for singleplayer/small lans as I had no internet back then -__- only discovered the professional scene after the launch of sc2), but I really love what some people are doing to keep the scene alive. The Altitude ISL finals were really good, and while they might not be as "high level" as OSL/MSL finals, they still contain the same spirit. I'd love it if some people would stop to act like there is no BW left just because they don't like the foreign scene  more support, less hate.
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The internet!
Also TL has always been elitist. Before there was SC2 there was GosuGamers.net and WarCraft III to rip on. Most of us saw the value in those things, but we also had legitimate criticisms of them that we took as encouragement to go another direction. I mean, you gotta be fucking kidding me if you think this is new for TL. This is what TL is and always will be. The SC2 community that is taking BW's place on TL is just as elitist and stupid as their predecessor. That is the whole point of an internet forum: you find like-minded people to jack off with about your favourite things, no matter how obscure and meaningless they are to the rest of the world. You make a random hobby like StarCraft that no one knows or cares about seem like the biggest thing in the world, and then you talk about it with people who think the same as you about how great it is and how much better it is than other stuff. The only issue is that now foreign BW fans have kind of lost that place to go where everyone thinks like you and it makes you feel right about your choice of hobbies. And SC2 players have the same weird contention in them, where they like SC2 and wanna talk about how its the best, but there's this weird BW community on the biggest SC2 site on the internet for some reason. Which is why I think that SC2 really should have had a new domain and website, like LiquidPoker did. But TL really wanted to assimilate BW into SC2, make sure the fans didn't get separated, and so now they have to deal with whatever this is.
This is how forums work. Everyone who has 1000s of posts, especially if they are long and well-thought out posts, should be deeply ashamed of themselves. And then realise it doesn't even matter cause everyone looks for like-minded people to make them feel right, on the internet or not.
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On June 18 2012 21:28 sluggaslamoo wrote:
I blame the Colossus
Pretty much yes
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Sure, there's been wars over less... :S
We always have VODs. ;(
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This blog makes me want to go flame. GMarshal is actually trying to pad he's ban resume.
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I agree wholeheartedly with what you've written, very tiring to read through
Don't you had the red hammer to ban these people?
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