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FluqsBlood
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom5 Posts
June 27 2011 22:13 GMT
#1
Hey guys in my life I've played about 2 games on BW and after playing SC2 for a while (a good few months anyway as Zerg) I found it wasn't really my sort of thing (with all the cheese/all ins etc) so I'm thinking of going back to BW (I've played one game since my return as Protoss and it lasted nearly an hour is this normal?) and I'm asking you all if there are any sites (aside from liquidpedia) that basically teaches you a build from a complete beginners point of view (like how many drones/probes/scvs needed for base saturation) and how to choose a race and learn a map.
Thanks for reading this rather long post and I hope someone can help,
Blood
hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
June 27 2011 22:22 GMT
#2
Chill's recommended threads thread, it is stickied in the BW strategy section. Also there are LOADS of "getting into BW" threads like yours, have a look around.

An hour long game is not normal. But if you and your opponent are complete beginners it is not surprising either.

Oh and welcome.
FluqsBlood
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom5 Posts
June 27 2011 22:27 GMT
#3
Now looking through the recommended threads looks like I have a lot of reading to do
Thanks for the warm welcome.
I thought the game took a while but all i was doing was massing goons and getting 3/3 and it was against ai so I thought I suck
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 22:53:43
June 27 2011 22:51 GMT
#4
Don't forget to check out ImbaTosS' guide for players switching from SC2 and search for other threads of this nature. Not that there's much toss stuff in there at the moment but it's a work in progress!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236749
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
darklordjac
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2231 Posts
June 27 2011 22:54 GMT
#5
See that little empty space above the calendar, that's called the search bar. Use it.

Also

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=60601
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=135766
Lumire
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States607 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-28 00:48:24
June 28 2011 00:48 GMT
#6
If you want free coaching you should hit me up on iccup at Lumire(OD)
|| o.o
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
June 28 2011 13:37 GMT
#7
On June 28 2011 07:51 jello_biafra wrote:
Don't forget to check out ImbaTosS' guide for players switching from SC2 and search for other threads of this nature. Not that there's much toss stuff in there at the moment but it's a work in progress!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236749



we need to welcome all the SC2 refugees.

anyway to the OP. You will not find anything better than Liquipedia. But you cant just read it copy it and understand the game. Check out the replay section here. So many sick games for any matchup. And also, if you can try and get a practice partner or a coach. Makes a big difference.
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
Chugger
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2 Posts
June 29 2011 20:07 GMT
#8
Yeah definitly best advice would be to check out Liquipedia, learn one build per match up and just play on ONE map to start off. eg. Fighting Spirit, Destination, etc.
The Party Protoss
TheRPGAddict
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1403 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-30 03:06:34
June 30 2011 02:40 GMT
#9
I have a question that I think would suit this thread best (as an ignorant Starcraft 2 refugee) and I am in no way trolling or trying to stir up shit, it is just an honest question. How is Brood War doing in terms of popularity? The korean scene seems pretty vibrant still but I am just asking because I don't want to put alot of time into a game (as this wonderful game requires and deserves) only to find out that I am playing a dead horse sometime down the road. I wish I could have gotten into Brood War in my earlier years but there is no changing that.

Edit: Would love to hear a multitude of people's opinions on this. I am speaking about the game in a fairly long-term manner.
pedrotrv
Profile Joined August 2010
Brazil117 Posts
June 30 2011 03:00 GMT
#10
I`ve started playing yesterday and games are not missing for me. Just go for ICCup, create your games and play with people with Anti Hack on.

You won't regret. I've lost 80% of my games, but BW is so much fun and rewarding.
woot.
TheRPGAddict
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1403 Posts
June 30 2011 03:07 GMT
#11
On June 30 2011 12:00 pedrotrv wrote:
I`ve started playing yesterday and games are not missing for me. Just go for ICCup, create your games and play with people with Anti Hack on.

You won't regret. I've lost 80% of my games, but BW is so much fun and rewarding.
How have you started, 1 build per match up and 1 map? Seems kinda daunting, even though I have some RTS experience.
Hekisui
Profile Joined May 2011
195 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-30 03:17:43
June 30 2011 03:16 GMT
#12
If terran or protoss players new to competitive SC BW want help on how to learn, I think I can help you get a solid foundation. I think it is really hard to learn the game by trial and error at this point. Especially when playing at the D rank on iccup as a D- or E player. I can tell you exactly what to focus on and more importantly, what to ignore. Also I have one of the best practice UMS maps.

If you are interested, PM me.
pedrotrv
Profile Joined August 2010
Brazil117 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-30 03:24:38
June 30 2011 03:23 GMT
#13
On June 30 2011 12:07 TheRPGAddict wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2011 12:00 pedrotrv wrote:
I`ve started playing yesterday and games are not missing for me. Just go for ICCup, create your games and play with people with Anti Hack on.

You won't regret. I've lost 80% of my games, but BW is so much fun and rewarding.
How have you started, 1 build per match up and 1 map? Seems kinda daunting, even though I have some RTS experience.


You will lose a lot. I'm creating games in FS ou Tau Cross only, with only 1 build per race, as toss. In the beginning you will be lost, but you'll se a good difference in a few games. I skipped the part where you go vs AI, cause I hate it. I've done it to learn hotkeys only, and for strategy and builds I'm learning the hard way.

Go to liquipedia, choose one good build for each match up and start having fun. It'll be easy to find games (just create like 1v1 FS D/D-).

On a side note: Terrans are stomping my ass lol It's apparently impossible to do this match up without storm and arbiters.

EDIT: Always remeber to see replay to find what you're lacking in macro, suply block and to learn the general timings. If you can get a good partner it will be even better. People at the op teamliquid channel are really helpful.
woot.
TheRPGAddict
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1403 Posts
June 30 2011 03:35 GMT
#14
On June 30 2011 12:23 pedrotrv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2011 12:07 TheRPGAddict wrote:
On June 30 2011 12:00 pedrotrv wrote:
I`ve started playing yesterday and games are not missing for me. Just go for ICCup, create your games and play with people with Anti Hack on.

You won't regret. I've lost 80% of my games, but BW is so much fun and rewarding.
How have you started, 1 build per match up and 1 map? Seems kinda daunting, even though I have some RTS experience.


You will lose a lot. I'm creating games in FS ou Tau Cross only, with only 1 build per race, as toss. In the beginning you will be lost, but you'll se a good difference in a few games. I skipped the part where you go vs AI, cause I hate it. I've done it to learn hotkeys only, and for strategy and builds I'm learning the hard way.

Go to liquipedia, choose one good build for each match up and start having fun. It'll be easy to find games (just create like 1v1 FS D/D-).

On a side note: Terrans are stomping my ass lol It's apparently impossible to do this match up without storm and arbiters.

EDIT: Always remeber to see replay to find what you're lacking in macro, suply block and to learn the general timings. If you can get a good partner it will be even better. People at the op teamliquid channel are really helpful.
I learned Starcraft 2 1 STANDARD build per matchup and I would love to use this method for BW because while encouraging solid mechanic habits it also helps one come to grips with strategy little by little. Can I add you so we can play together (trying to get a bunch of people)? I think I will run those builds versus the AI, my mechanics are pretty decent I would like to think, just need to get it into habit.
pedrotrv
Profile Joined August 2010
Brazil117 Posts
June 30 2011 03:44 GMT
#15
Just pm Trv on ICCup.

I live on Brasil, so I don't know if our timezone will influence a lot in the time we play, but we can give a shot. First thing as you go online is /join op teamliquid. I'm not nearly near good, but we can practice together.

And you can't think the mechanics here are as easy as SC2. I can produce scv's and macro all day long in SC2, but BW is way way harder to get used if you're coming from the the modern one.
woot.
FluqsBlood
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom5 Posts
June 30 2011 07:40 GMT
#16
^
I agree with the mechanics being a lot harder than SC2 (apparently workers can't auto mine if told to congregate on the mineral patch and the hotkeys are a bit different so taking a while to get used to it) but hit me up on ICCup sometime if you fancy a game my name is sGs.Blood
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
June 30 2011 10:08 GMT
#17
mG.arb @ iccup if you want to PM me for some games some time.

You need to learn 1 standard build since it should apply to most maps at low level games vs each race
(1gate fe vs terran)
(2gate robo? vs protoss)
(forge fe vs zerg)

And practice your macro(macro is key in BW) and work on your mechanics / multi tasking.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
eeniebear
Profile Joined February 2010
United States197 Posts
July 01 2011 17:01 GMT
#18
On June 30 2011 12:35 TheRPGAddict wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2011 12:23 pedrotrv wrote:
On June 30 2011 12:07 TheRPGAddict wrote:
On June 30 2011 12:00 pedrotrv wrote:
I`ve started playing yesterday and games are not missing for me. Just go for ICCup, create your games and play with people with Anti Hack on.

You won't regret. I've lost 80% of my games, but BW is so much fun and rewarding.
How have you started, 1 build per match up and 1 map? Seems kinda daunting, even though I have some RTS experience.


You will lose a lot. I'm creating games in FS ou Tau Cross only, with only 1 build per race, as toss. In the beginning you will be lost, but you'll se a good difference in a few games. I skipped the part where you go vs AI, cause I hate it. I've done it to learn hotkeys only, and for strategy and builds I'm learning the hard way.

Go to liquipedia, choose one good build for each match up and start having fun. It'll be easy to find games (just create like 1v1 FS D/D-).

On a side note: Terrans are stomping my ass lol It's apparently impossible to do this match up without storm and arbiters.

EDIT: Always remeber to see replay to find what you're lacking in macro, suply block and to learn the general timings. If you can get a good partner it will be even better. People at the op teamliquid channel are really helpful.
I learned Starcraft 2 1 STANDARD build per matchup and I would love to use this method for BW because while encouraging solid mechanic habits it also helps one come to grips with strategy little by little. Can I add you so we can play together (trying to get a bunch of people)? I think I will run those builds versus the AI, my mechanics are pretty decent I would like to think, just need to get it into habit.


You definitely can't do just one build for all matchups. I don't play toss, but as Terran, siege expand is the best opening in tvp, but if you do siege expand vs zerg, you're dead. Also, Terran bio doesn't work at all in tvp unless you're doing a very early 2 rax rush, which is kind of a cheese build.
nV[MB]
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland58 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 18:19:45
July 01 2011 18:10 GMT
#19
2 builds for each matchup is absolute minimum.
TheGlassface
Profile Joined November 2010
United States612 Posts
July 01 2011 18:35 GMT
#20
Feel free to PM me or just whisper me if you'd like to play.
TheGlassface
D- Protoss/Zerg
The mystery of life is not a problem to solve, but a reality to experience. **Hang in there STX fans!! Kal Hwaiting!**
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