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Hi,
I'm a fairly decent SC2 player who has been playing a BW mod for SC2, and has been intrigued by the classic game. I've also watched some VODs and really like the action all over the place. Something SC2 has been lacking completely.
I also love how Protoss plays in BW compared to SC2. The drop heavy strategies are very much to my liking.
Though I don't intend to fully switch over, I do want to mix it up a little and become better at SC2 by taking on the daunting mechanics of BW. I am a very slow player by SC2 diamond/master league standards and I wish to improve on this.
On to my questions.
Is it worth my time, or might I just aswell keep playing SC2 since playing BW won't improve my play. Ignore any further questions if the answer is no.
Where do you guys play? On bnet, or on private servers.
How do you guys handle multiple production facilities, say 10 gateways, when you can't put multiple buildings in one ctrlgroup? I've found that a really, really, REALLY annoying limitation.
Pretty sure I'll have a ton more as time goes on.
Regards,
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Croatia9545 Posts
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Play brood war if you think it is fun. If you are playing bw to try and improve your sc2 game, don't. You'd be better off just playing sc2
Iccup @ iccup.com
click building click hotkey for unit. Repeat
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if you want to get increase your actions per minute, i'm pretty BW is going to do you some good. I am actually surprise you would complain about the issue that is production facilities over the issue of manuring workers to the mineral field by hand.
anyways answer is fast hand speed, using the F-keys and lots of practice. play on iccup that is your best bet.
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If you want to improve at SC2, there's not really a better answer than to play SC2. Playing BW will help your mechanics quite a bit and that will carry over to SC2, if that's what you're asking. In any event, BW is such an amazing game that it's worth trying out regardless.
- Competitively, iCCup is the place to play. "op Teamliquid" without the quotes is the unofficial TeamLiquid channel where there's plenty of people to talk to and play games with.
- Building placement matters a lot more in Brood War, and you'll eventually learn how to efficiently place structures in your base. I put all my Gateways together and hotkey that location to F4 (to do that, you hit Shift + F4 and if you want to return there, simply press F4).
Good luck! 
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SC BW will only probably improve your speed but that's it.
Most people here play ladder on iccup(It's a private server)
What I do with my facilities is that I build them closed together and hot key the middle to one hotkey number and just double click on that hotkey to get in the middle of the facilities to manual click on each to make troops. Good players uses the F2 to F5 keys to save at the center of their facility because they're good but I'm bad so I can't remember to use them in game.
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Welcome to BW! I think you'll find that the BW experience is a lot more deeper and interesting than SC2! Check out builds and strategy on Liquipedia!
Also, play on iCCup, it's free! Just go to http://www.iccup.com/ and press StarCraft and how to play, then follow that and you're ready to go
Good luck!
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On February 06 2011 10:12 Serdiuk wrote:
Where do you guys play? On bnet, or on private servers.
How do you guys handle multiple production facilities, say 10 gateways, when you can't put multiple buildings in one ctrlgroup? I've found that a really, really, REALLY annoying limitation.
Regards,
Well if you're annoyed by this then I suggest that you go back to SC2 right now.
BW is much more worth your time if you're willing to spend a fuckton of time losing and asking around what you did wrong here and there bla bla bla. The fundamentals still holds but BW is not a noob friendly game, you will spend a looot of time just to get your fundamentals right. I used to play BW and I don't know how it will improve your play in SC2 but I'm pretty sure BW will increase your multitasking by a fucktone too.
Well people usually play in iCCup and get disheartened after a few days worth of losing streaks. Only the strong push on forward.
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On February 06 2011 10:12 Serdiuk wrote:
Is it worth my time, or might I just aswell keep playing SC2 since playing BW won't improve my play. Ignore any further questions if the answer is no.
Playing BW will improve your SC2 yes, but playing SC2 is the best way to improve in SC2. So if your sole purpose is to improve in SC2, play SC2. If you want to try BW and improve in SC2 at the same time (at lower rate), play some BW.
On February 06 2011 10:12 Serdiuk wrote:
Where do you guys play? On bnet, or on private servers.
www.iccup.com
On February 06 2011 10:12 Serdiuk wrote:
How do you guys handle multiple production facilities, say 10 gateways, when you can't put multiple buildings in one ctrlgroup? I've found that a really, really, REALLY annoying limitation.
sim city your main so that all production facilities are in the same screen, then hotkey one of them. Return to that screen often (using the hotkey) to buy stuffs. It's not annoying, it improves your macro/multitask and your ability to make critical decisions a lot. Ex : Should I micro my army a bit more or should I return to the base to buy more stuffs ? Not only that you must click fast, you must also decide when to macro, when to micro...
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Thank you for the swift responses. It is a testament to the quality of a game that the community is still faily large after such a long time.
On February 06 2011 10:21 SilverSkyLark wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 10:12 Serdiuk wrote:
Where do you guys play? On bnet, or on private servers.
How do you guys handle multiple production facilities, say 10 gateways, when you can't put multiple buildings in one ctrlgroup? I've found that a really, really, REALLY annoying limitation.
Regards, Well if you're annoyed by this then I suggest that you go back to SC2 right now. BW is much more worth your time if you're willing to spend a fuckton of time losing and asking around what you did wrong here and there bla bla bla. The fundamentals still holds but BW is not a noob friendly game, you will spend a looot of time just to get your fundamentals right. I used to play BW and I don't know how it will improve your play in SC2 but I'm pretty sure BW will increase your multitasking by a fucktone too. Well people usually play in iCCup and get disheartened after a few days worth of losing streaks. Only the strong push on forward.
I was merely wondering whether there was a simpler way than the obvious. I have around 80-90 APM in high diamond, low master league games. Actual APM, not SC2 APM, so I am considered a very slow player (don't think I met any1 on ladder who doesn't have at least 30 more APM) who wins most games by having a strong game sense and a good feel for timings. The speed and multitasking are what seem to hold me back there. SC2 doesn't push me to improve them, while I'm peetty sure BW will.
If I lose 20 games in a row, I'll just make a new account once I get the hang of it .
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Canada8036 Posts
For production facilities, try to place them so that they all fit in one screen (more or less). Make sure that you don't trap your units though (watch pro vods if you can't figure out a good placement pattern). Hotkey one building in the center. Now, when you doubletap that hotkey, your screen will center on your production facilities. Click on each of your production facilities in sequence and push the corresponding hotkey to build units. For instance, if you wanted zealots, you'd go click z click z click z etc. It's easy once you get a good rhythm going.
I actually like macroing in BW. It's one of the few things I can actually do relatively quickly, so it makes me feel gosu. 
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If youre fairly decent in SC2, then you will have a very hard time in BW. But the rewards are worth it.
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Well, it depends on how much time you want to commit to the game. I am C- on broodwar, and a fairly good masters league player on SC2, while only actually playing 130 league 1v1 games. The skill curve is much higher now as many of the noobs of Broodwar have hopped onto the trending SC2. You decide if the gameplay is actually something you would enjoy more than starcraft 2.
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On February 06 2011 10:45 Serdiuk wrote:Thank you for the swift responses. It is a testament to the quality of a game that the community is still faily large after such a long time. Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 10:21 SilverSkyLark wrote:On February 06 2011 10:12 Serdiuk wrote:
Where do you guys play? On bnet, or on private servers.
How do you guys handle multiple production facilities, say 10 gateways, when you can't put multiple buildings in one ctrlgroup? I've found that a really, really, REALLY annoying limitation.
Regards, Well if you're annoyed by this then I suggest that you go back to SC2 right now. BW is much more worth your time if you're willing to spend a fuckton of time losing and asking around what you did wrong here and there bla bla bla. The fundamentals still holds but BW is not a noob friendly game, you will spend a looot of time just to get your fundamentals right. I used to play BW and I don't know how it will improve your play in SC2 but I'm pretty sure BW will increase your multitasking by a fucktone too. Well people usually play in iCCup and get disheartened after a few days worth of losing streaks. Only the strong push on forward. I was merely wondering whether there was a simpler way than the obvious. I have around 80-90 APM in high diamond, low master league games. Actual APM, not SC2 APM, so I am considered a very slow player (don't think I met any1 on ladder who doesn't have at least 30 more APM) who wins most games by having a strong game sense and a good feel for timings. The speed and multitasking are what seem to hold me back there. SC2 doesn't push me to improve them, while I'm peetty sure BW will. If I lose 20 games in a row, I'll just make a new account once I get the hang of it .
you can restart your stats once a week in iccup..:D
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Its every two weeks now!
Although my advice is, if you wanna get better at sc2, you will probably be better off playing sc2.
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i would not recommend restating your stats all of the time. the reason being is because on iccup you are going to start out as a d player. Everyone starts out on this rank,. and you can be playing everyone from b to a to c. So it is better to just lose your games, and be placed in E rank. once you are in there you will have actual 'new' players to starcraft. People that don't have 150+ apm and people that are actually going to give you a good game. Otherwise when you reset and go back to D you will be player players that are playing at 200+ apm and will simply steam roll you.
Better to try and get the basics down at E level than to just be crushed again and again at D.
I play zerg at about a C+ level and if you want to play some practice games, i can give you a few pointers, juset shoot me a pm or something and we can set up a time to practice.
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As a reference, if you arent 2000+ master you will probably never leave D on iccup. I'm sure iccup got a whole lot harder when half the community is now playing starcraft 2.
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Also considering switching back to BW from SC2 (I was never any good, but loved it anyway...)
Are people in the TL channel on iccup willing to play with players who aren't very good, or even willing to help improve their game?
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United States11393 Posts
On February 06 2011 11:45 PrinceDelight wrote:
Also considering switching back to BW from SC2 (I was never any good, but loved it anyway...)
Are people in the TL channel on iccup willing to play with players who aren't very good, or even willing to help improve their game?
yes
That's one of the main reasons it exists.
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i personally loaded up BWAI so i could practice build orders against AIs with atleast some resemblance and competence to low level players. once you learn the matchups and unit counters you can easily start to take on D level players on iccup, even at this point in time.
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