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Hi,
I'm a fairly decent SC2 player who has been playing a BW mod for SC2, and has been intrigued by the classic game. I've also watched some VODs and really like the action all over the place. Something SC2 has been lacking completely.
I also love how Protoss plays in BW compared to SC2. The drop heavy strategies are very much to my liking.
Though I don't intend to fully switch over, I do want to mix it up a little and become better at SC2 by taking on the daunting mechanics of BW. I am a very slow player by SC2 diamond/master league standards and I wish to improve on this.
On to my questions.
Is it worth my time, or might I just aswell keep playing SC2 since playing BW won't improve my play. Ignore any further questions if the answer is no.
Where do you guys play? On bnet, or on private servers.
How do you guys handle multiple production facilities, say 10 gateways, when you can't put multiple buildings in one ctrlgroup? I've found that a really, really, REALLY annoying limitation.
Pretty sure I'll have a ton more as time goes on.
Regards,
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Croatia9500 Posts
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Play brood war if you think it is fun. If you are playing bw to try and improve your sc2 game, don't. You'd be better off just playing sc2
Iccup @ iccup.com
click building click hotkey for unit. Repeat
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if you want to get increase your actions per minute, i'm pretty BW is going to do you some good. I am actually surprise you would complain about the issue that is production facilities over the issue of manuring workers to the mineral field by hand.
anyways answer is fast hand speed, using the F-keys and lots of practice. play on iccup that is your best bet.
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If you want to improve at SC2, there's not really a better answer than to play SC2. Playing BW will help your mechanics quite a bit and that will carry over to SC2, if that's what you're asking. In any event, BW is such an amazing game that it's worth trying out regardless.
- Competitively, iCCup is the place to play. "op Teamliquid" without the quotes is the unofficial TeamLiquid channel where there's plenty of people to talk to and play games with.
- Building placement matters a lot more in Brood War, and you'll eventually learn how to efficiently place structures in your base. I put all my Gateways together and hotkey that location to F4 (to do that, you hit Shift + F4 and if you want to return there, simply press F4).
Good luck! 
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SC BW will only probably improve your speed but that's it.
Most people here play ladder on iccup(It's a private server)
What I do with my facilities is that I build them closed together and hot key the middle to one hotkey number and just double click on that hotkey to get in the middle of the facilities to manual click on each to make troops. Good players uses the F2 to F5 keys to save at the center of their facility because they're good but I'm bad so I can't remember to use them in game.
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Welcome to BW! I think you'll find that the BW experience is a lot more deeper and interesting than SC2! Check out builds and strategy on Liquipedia!
Also, play on iCCup, it's free! Just go to http://www.iccup.com/ and press StarCraft and how to play, then follow that and you're ready to go
Good luck!
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On February 06 2011 10:12 Serdiuk wrote:
Where do you guys play? On bnet, or on private servers.
How do you guys handle multiple production facilities, say 10 gateways, when you can't put multiple buildings in one ctrlgroup? I've found that a really, really, REALLY annoying limitation.
Regards,
Well if you're annoyed by this then I suggest that you go back to SC2 right now.
BW is much more worth your time if you're willing to spend a fuckton of time losing and asking around what you did wrong here and there bla bla bla. The fundamentals still holds but BW is not a noob friendly game, you will spend a looot of time just to get your fundamentals right. I used to play BW and I don't know how it will improve your play in SC2 but I'm pretty sure BW will increase your multitasking by a fucktone too.
Well people usually play in iCCup and get disheartened after a few days worth of losing streaks. Only the strong push on forward.
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On February 06 2011 10:12 Serdiuk wrote:
Is it worth my time, or might I just aswell keep playing SC2 since playing BW won't improve my play. Ignore any further questions if the answer is no.
Playing BW will improve your SC2 yes, but playing SC2 is the best way to improve in SC2. So if your sole purpose is to improve in SC2, play SC2. If you want to try BW and improve in SC2 at the same time (at lower rate), play some BW.
On February 06 2011 10:12 Serdiuk wrote:
Where do you guys play? On bnet, or on private servers.
www.iccup.com
On February 06 2011 10:12 Serdiuk wrote:
How do you guys handle multiple production facilities, say 10 gateways, when you can't put multiple buildings in one ctrlgroup? I've found that a really, really, REALLY annoying limitation.
sim city your main so that all production facilities are in the same screen, then hotkey one of them. Return to that screen often (using the hotkey) to buy stuffs. It's not annoying, it improves your macro/multitask and your ability to make critical decisions a lot. Ex : Should I micro my army a bit more or should I return to the base to buy more stuffs ? Not only that you must click fast, you must also decide when to macro, when to micro...
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Thank you for the swift responses. It is a testament to the quality of a game that the community is still faily large after such a long time.
On February 06 2011 10:21 SilverSkyLark wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 10:12 Serdiuk wrote:
Where do you guys play? On bnet, or on private servers.
How do you guys handle multiple production facilities, say 10 gateways, when you can't put multiple buildings in one ctrlgroup? I've found that a really, really, REALLY annoying limitation.
Regards, Well if you're annoyed by this then I suggest that you go back to SC2 right now. BW is much more worth your time if you're willing to spend a fuckton of time losing and asking around what you did wrong here and there bla bla bla. The fundamentals still holds but BW is not a noob friendly game, you will spend a looot of time just to get your fundamentals right. I used to play BW and I don't know how it will improve your play in SC2 but I'm pretty sure BW will increase your multitasking by a fucktone too. Well people usually play in iCCup and get disheartened after a few days worth of losing streaks. Only the strong push on forward.
I was merely wondering whether there was a simpler way than the obvious. I have around 80-90 APM in high diamond, low master league games. Actual APM, not SC2 APM, so I am considered a very slow player (don't think I met any1 on ladder who doesn't have at least 30 more APM) who wins most games by having a strong game sense and a good feel for timings. The speed and multitasking are what seem to hold me back there. SC2 doesn't push me to improve them, while I'm peetty sure BW will.
If I lose 20 games in a row, I'll just make a new account once I get the hang of it .
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Canada8031 Posts
For production facilities, try to place them so that they all fit in one screen (more or less). Make sure that you don't trap your units though (watch pro vods if you can't figure out a good placement pattern). Hotkey one building in the center. Now, when you doubletap that hotkey, your screen will center on your production facilities. Click on each of your production facilities in sequence and push the corresponding hotkey to build units. For instance, if you wanted zealots, you'd go click z click z click z etc. It's easy once you get a good rhythm going.
I actually like macroing in BW. It's one of the few things I can actually do relatively quickly, so it makes me feel gosu. 
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If youre fairly decent in SC2, then you will have a very hard time in BW. But the rewards are worth it.
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Well, it depends on how much time you want to commit to the game. I am C- on broodwar, and a fairly good masters league player on SC2, while only actually playing 130 league 1v1 games. The skill curve is much higher now as many of the noobs of Broodwar have hopped onto the trending SC2. You decide if the gameplay is actually something you would enjoy more than starcraft 2.
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On February 06 2011 10:45 Serdiuk wrote:Thank you for the swift responses. It is a testament to the quality of a game that the community is still faily large after such a long time. Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 10:21 SilverSkyLark wrote:On February 06 2011 10:12 Serdiuk wrote:
Where do you guys play? On bnet, or on private servers.
How do you guys handle multiple production facilities, say 10 gateways, when you can't put multiple buildings in one ctrlgroup? I've found that a really, really, REALLY annoying limitation.
Regards, Well if you're annoyed by this then I suggest that you go back to SC2 right now. BW is much more worth your time if you're willing to spend a fuckton of time losing and asking around what you did wrong here and there bla bla bla. The fundamentals still holds but BW is not a noob friendly game, you will spend a looot of time just to get your fundamentals right. I used to play BW and I don't know how it will improve your play in SC2 but I'm pretty sure BW will increase your multitasking by a fucktone too. Well people usually play in iCCup and get disheartened after a few days worth of losing streaks. Only the strong push on forward. I was merely wondering whether there was a simpler way than the obvious. I have around 80-90 APM in high diamond, low master league games. Actual APM, not SC2 APM, so I am considered a very slow player (don't think I met any1 on ladder who doesn't have at least 30 more APM) who wins most games by having a strong game sense and a good feel for timings. The speed and multitasking are what seem to hold me back there. SC2 doesn't push me to improve them, while I'm peetty sure BW will. If I lose 20 games in a row, I'll just make a new account once I get the hang of it .
you can restart your stats once a week in iccup..:D
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Its every two weeks now!
Although my advice is, if you wanna get better at sc2, you will probably be better off playing sc2.
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i would not recommend restating your stats all of the time. the reason being is because on iccup you are going to start out as a d player. Everyone starts out on this rank,. and you can be playing everyone from b to a to c. So it is better to just lose your games, and be placed in E rank. once you are in there you will have actual 'new' players to starcraft. People that don't have 150+ apm and people that are actually going to give you a good game. Otherwise when you reset and go back to D you will be player players that are playing at 200+ apm and will simply steam roll you.
Better to try and get the basics down at E level than to just be crushed again and again at D.
I play zerg at about a C+ level and if you want to play some practice games, i can give you a few pointers, juset shoot me a pm or something and we can set up a time to practice.
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As a reference, if you arent 2000+ master you will probably never leave D on iccup. I'm sure iccup got a whole lot harder when half the community is now playing starcraft 2.
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Also considering switching back to BW from SC2 (I was never any good, but loved it anyway...)
Are people in the TL channel on iccup willing to play with players who aren't very good, or even willing to help improve their game?
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On February 06 2011 11:45 PrinceDelight wrote:
Also considering switching back to BW from SC2 (I was never any good, but loved it anyway...)
Are people in the TL channel on iccup willing to play with players who aren't very good, or even willing to help improve their game?
yes
That's one of the main reasons it exists.
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i personally loaded up BWAI so i could practice build orders against AIs with atleast some resemblance and competence to low level players. once you learn the matchups and unit counters you can easily start to take on D level players on iccup, even at this point in time.
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On February 06 2011 11:49 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 11:45 PrinceDelight wrote:
Also considering switching back to BW from SC2 (I was never any good, but loved it anyway...)
Are people in the TL channel on iccup willing to play with players who aren't very good, or even willing to help improve their game? yes That's one of the main reasons it exists.
Cool. Once the hangover I'm working on passes I'll check that out tomorrow and try to get some games in.
I don't mind losing to learn. I do mind losing a lot but that's just ego xD.
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Just my thoughts on the subject (As another player BW player going back to it after enjoying my time on sc2),
Only play BW if you are truly going to enjoy playing the game. If your goal is to get better at sc2, your time is better spent practicing sc2.
You say you want to try BW to improve your mechanics and improve your hand speed etc. This can be practiced in SC2 though. I would say it actually shouldn't be practiced in BW because of the interface differences. Some things that are required in BW just don't need to be done in sc2.
There are some threads in the BW strategy forums though that may be somewhat useful for you though (or useful for any sc2 player really). Chill once wrote a guide that talked a bit about how to improve your mechanics which can be found here
With that being said, I would love it if you gave BW a shot. You might find out you like it more than sc2 and switch over completely.
Where do you guys play? On bnet, or on private servers.
As everyone else has mentioned, just go to this page and it will explain what to do to get started on iccup.
How do you guys handle multiple production facilities, say 10 gateways, when you can't put multiple buildings in one ctrlgroup? I've found that a really, really, REALLY annoying limitation.
Yeah, you want to save as much room as you can by grouping your buildings together with good placement. You can then use either shift+f2/f3/f4 to store a map location in a hotkey and press that to go back to all of your production buildings or hotkey one gateway and go back (double tapping the 6 key or whatever).
If you think that is an annoying limitation though, just wait until you start using units like reavers (scarab ai is notoriously stupid). Dragoons randomly stop moving too and it can be quite hard to micro them because of this.
Playing BW is extremely frustrating. Especially when you are used to your units doing what you to them to quite easily in sc2. However, I've had some epic close games that were more satisfying than any of my sc2 games have felt so far. In many of them I was even the loser.
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Oh yes word of caution I'm going to give anyone who is going to start up brood war. If you don't play protoss, prepare to be frustrated like never before. TvP and ZvP are the biggest pain ever at D and is most likely the reason there are so many P players. But I can tell you there is nothing funner in brood war then rolling a zerg with sk terran and raining hell all over dragoons. Blue soup is so satisfying.
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lately theres been a decent amount of switch over so you should be able to find some very low level players to battle.
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A word of encouragement, even though getting trashed around on ICCup, at end of the day, I can guarantee you that you will have fun.
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Will it improve your SC2 play? Well, I don't know.
But:
It's best to play on ICCup (http://www.iccup.com/) since there you will find the best players, and perhaps more importantly have the Anti Hack plugin that besides for disabling all sort of hacks let's you enable a very useful function called "Lan Latency" which basically means you can play without much lag trouble.
And basically part of what makes broodwar hard is mechanics, late game zerg where you need to control like 120 units and you can only grab 12 at a time or hotkey 12 at a time, makes things hard.
Best way to deal with production facility problem is use the F keys to hotkey where your production buildings are and times right quickly run back to base making what you need and go back to micro.
Also as zerg up untill late midgame it's usually okay to keep your hatcheries hotkeyed since you won't use up all hotkeys anyway.
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If you are a real iCCup D player (real bw beginnner), like myself, then you will probably find yourself getting shit on A LOT in ladder.
Try to play practice games with someone around your skill level, because the game really becomes infinitely more fun when you play against a player around your level.
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if one of the things you are focusing on is getting your mechanics up to par, a multitasking map is pretty good for getting early game multitasking down w/o having to suffer too many losses. 90 APM won't cut it at all in BW
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On February 06 2011 11:56 a176 wrote:
i personally loaded up BWAI so i could practice build orders against AIs with atleast some resemblance and competence to low level players. once you learn the matchups and unit counters you can easily start to take on D level players on iccup, even at this point in time.
How can I set this up?
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If you're 80-90 apm then wow you're gonna have a hard time. I'd repeatedly practice against the computer to begin with, use APMalert and see how fast you can get to 200/200 with a regular build order while 'pretending' to do things you'd do in a game to keep up the pace, aka lay mines, move around your units/cast spells. Then once you're like 130 and can actually use control groups effectively, then go onto ICCUP.
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I recently switched from SC2 to BW, and it's much more fun. It's going to be hard to start off, but I recommend playing only 1 map (either python, fighting spirit, or destination. I chose python). Create a game with the name of something along the lines of "python 1v1 D-" and you're sure to get people who after 10-15 you should be able to fight back against.
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If you play during korean hours, then good luck.
Really recommend you don't play ICCUP after around 04:00 GMT (+00:00) if you are looking for even games. Trust me, you won't get them.
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It will not improve your sc2 play what so ever because you're going to spend the whole time getting use to the crappy AI. Sure Brood War is one of the greatest games ever, but I wouldn't recommend going from sc2 to bw unless you have a lot of other friends to play with.
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On February 06 2011 15:56 Flaunt wrote:
It will not improve your sc2 play what so ever because you're going to spend the whole time getting use to the crappy AI. Sure Brood War is one of the greatest games ever, but I wouldn't recommend going from sc2 to bw unless you have a lot of other friends to play with.
Hence, iCCup.
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Playing bw will improve sc2 play if you haven't played bw at all. Gets you better at controlling multiple control groups.
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On February 06 2011 11:49 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 11:45 PrinceDelight wrote:
Also considering switching back to BW from SC2 (I was never any good, but loved it anyway...)
Are people in the TL channel on iccup willing to play with players who aren't very good, or even willing to help improve their game? yes That's one of the main reasons it exists.
Great, I might drop by tonight and see whats up.
On another note, I got a friends girlfriend to start playing with me, she has a heap to learn but it's nice having someone closer to my skill level to practice and talk about the game with. Laddering still haunts me...
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yes i can get to D+ (~2500) playing only during the weekdays during the day (like lunch, i.e. non-korean times). during korean times, at worst i've been stomped all the way back to d- by plenty of koreans on their way up to C.. (seriously they must have like 10 accounts each there for the number of them i play and next 2 days they're C or higher).
edit: so don't play during korean times.
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On February 07 2011 12:20 ToFu. wrote:
yes i can get to D+ (~2500) playing only during the weekdays during the day (like lunch, i.e. non-korean times). during korean times, at worst i've been stomped all the way back to d- by plenty of koreans on their way up to C.. (seriously they must have like 10 accounts each there for the number of them i play and next 2 days they're C or higher).
edit: so don't play during korean times.
This.
I don't know when "korean times" are, so I just play whenever I have time.
But its kind of frustrating when you go into a D game thinking about having a good game, and then he just completely pummels you from start to finish into oblivion and turns out his highest rank was C or above.
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On February 07 2011 16:51 don_kyuhote wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2011 12:20 ToFu. wrote:
yes i can get to D+ (~2500) playing only during the weekdays during the day (like lunch, i.e. non-korean times). during korean times, at worst i've been stomped all the way back to d- by plenty of koreans on their way up to C.. (seriously they must have like 10 accounts each there for the number of them i play and next 2 days they're C or higher).
edit: so don't play during korean times. This. I don't know when "korean times" are, so I just play whenever I have time. But its kind of frustrating when you go into a D game thinking about having a good game, and then he just completely pummels you from start to finish into oblivion and turns out his highest rank was C or above.
I dunno why you guys want to avoid playing Korean times, playing them is pretty much the best way to learn since they don't absolutely suck normally, and it often produces the best games to play imo
In fact, I'm kinda pissed that after two weeks of break, I've only run into a couple of Koreans and a bunch of players that should be D but somehow are D+ because of strategic play. It's making me too relaxed in terms of effort and APM :\
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Hahaha, strategic play. LOL.
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On February 06 2011 15:41 lyAsakura wrote:
If you play during korean hours, then good luck.
Really recommend you don't play ICCUP after around 04:00 GMT (+00:00) if you are looking for even games. Trust me, you won't get them.
Not true whatsoever, there are alot of koreans who are actually D/D-
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
Bnet is pretty much empty or half-empty... I played there, but went away soon as I was able to pick games very rarely...
Another place is Garena. It's the ideal place if you can't create games due to some IP issues!!! I always play there when I want to 2x2 with some buddies. ^_^
There is also Podolsk server (games.podolsk.ru), it has fairly high level of players, but lower than iccup (in russian forum we always call a bad player "a podolsk noob" but this is only a joke, really podolsk is higher level than garena or bnet). There aren't only russians on this server! It is rather popular.
And Captain obvious already on his place to say about iccup. Yeah, that's by now the best server and a place to play and train your Starcraft skills.
I don't know how playing BW will help you with your SC2 skills, but I have to say it's fun by itself. You can't get something to carry on into SC2 just by playing BW for this sole purpose, you have to enjoy this original Starcraft by itself.
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The only reason why i am only SC2 player, is because SC:BW is acting retarded when mixed with Windows 7 + Winamp. Also, i have widescreen, so the stretching of the screen is not the best sight (and i definitly don't like the "window mode"). Also killing explorer.exe everytime i wanna play SC:BW just so the colors are fine, is quite the nuisance. But if everything was fine and dandy with SC:BW (on Windows7/Widescreen) i think i would return to it as well. The game is just THAT great.
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On February 08 2011 04:51 Usurper wrote:
The only reason why i am only SC2 player, is because SC:BW is acting retarded when mixed with Windows 7 + Winamp. Also, i have widescreen, so the stretching of the screen is not the best sight (and i definitly don't like the "window mode"). Also killing explorer.exe everytime i wanna play SC:BW just so the colors are fine, is quite the nuisance. But if everything was fine and dandy with SC:BW (on Windows7/Widescreen) i think i would return to it as well. The game is just THAT great.
Hmm try running it in windows mode + x2 size for 1280x960 if your monitor is big enough, it works quite nicely for me.
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On February 06 2011 10:12 Serdiuk wrote:
Is it worth my time, or might I just aswell keep playing SC2 since playing BW won't improve my play.
Due to an temporary unability to play SC2, I started to play BW few weeks ago. Although its very hard at the beginning, its a huge load of fun and every improvement is so much more perceptible and satisfying than in SC2.
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instead of Function keys, i ctrl group a gateway that is centered around the gateway area to 5.
then i just 5, 5, unit hotkey, click, unit hotkey, click, unit hotkey, etc.
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this is a great question
to be honest, it's a great idea to play bw to help you improve at sc2. I played broodwar for 10 years before sc2, so when I switched to sc2, I was like wow, this game is so much easier!! Auto-mine, unlimited selection, que commands, and of course better graphics, they really improved upon the game.
Bw is a broken, ugly looking game, so yeah, if you play that for a month, then come back to sc2, you'll be like a marine who just went through boot camp.
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On February 08 2011 07:22 canSore wrote:
this is a great question
to be honest, it's a great idea to play bw to help you improve at sc2. I played broodwar for 10 years before sc2, so when I switched to sc2, I was like wow, this game is so much easier!! Auto-mine, unlimited selection, que commands, and of course better graphics, they really improved upon the game.
Bw is a broken, ugly looking game, so yeah, if you play that for a month, then come back to sc2, you'll be like a marine who just went through boot camp.
Are you kidding me? bw is not broken, or ugly.
and as it has been said before- playing BW will not help your SC2 skills one lick
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Shit has got to stop. I think people must start realizing the difference between "good" graphics and "pretty" graphics. To me, good graphics is when everything is clearly visible and the graphics don't affect the gameplay. In that sense, even chess has good graphics.
It is of course a matter of taste whether you want pretty graphics in the game you play, but to me that isn't important at all.
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If Boxer said SC2 is better than SC1 because it doesn't have the annoying stuff like SC1 had, you know you don't want to go back to that outdated game lol.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On February 06 2011 10:30 kamikami wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 10:12 Serdiuk wrote:
Is it worth my time, or might I just aswell keep playing SC2 since playing BW won't improve my play. Ignore any further questions if the answer is no.
Playing BW will improve your SC2 yes, but playing SC2 is the best way to improve in SC2. So if your sole purpose is to improve in SC2, play SC2. If you want to try BW and improve in SC2 at the same time (at lower rate), play some BW.
Not so true. BW is (obviously) much more mechanically demanding, with the max 12 unit selection, non-mbs, non-automine, etc. and will train things that you would normally never go out of your way to improve: mouse control (esp. things like marine micro vs lurkers, very similar to marine micro vs banelings but more challenging), mass unit control with more than 2-3 hotkeys, macro (going back to base to send produced workers to mine), and even use of camera hotkeys. If you are a top-tier player and your mechanics are fine, then yeah play SCII to improve in SCII; otherwise, BW is just as good for improving SCII play if your problems concern imperfect mechanics.
On February 08 2011 03:55 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 15:41 lyAsakura wrote:
If you play during korean hours, then good luck.
Really recommend you don't play ICCUP after around 04:00 GMT (+00:00) if you are looking for even games. Trust me, you won't get them. Not true whatsoever, there are alot of koreans who are actually D/D-
I think those guys all moved to SCII...
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I played a korean D- today and he owned me 
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Osaka27148 Posts
I went 4-1 on iccup in Korean hours yesterday, and I am frigging terrible. There are still lots of noobs.
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On February 08 2011 08:20 Manifesto7 wrote:
I went 4-1 on iccup in Korean hours yesterday, and I am frigging terrible. There are still lots of noobs.
But terrible is relative!
Maybe you're like A level by exuding pure manliness, but still terrible compared to Reach.
Back when I laddered, I always had a pretty decent record vs foreigners, and a pretty terrible record vs Koreans. Now when I ladder, I do really meh cause I don't play that much.
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I had 60% winrate vs foreigners, 25% vs koreans. Fun stat, for what its worth
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i just might have to check out this ICCUP and see what all the fuss is about.
and it'll be fun to play bw, havnt touched it for about 1.5 years ^_^
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Welcome!
I don't think you will be disappointed with BW. I've only played SC2 a little bit, but the mechanics of BW alone make the game so rewarding due to their difficulty.
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On February 08 2011 03:55 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 15:41 lyAsakura wrote:
If you play during korean hours, then good luck.
Really recommend you don't play ICCUP after around 04:00 GMT (+00:00) if you are looking for even games. Trust me, you won't get them. Not true whatsoever, there are alot of koreans who are actually D/D-
Maybe it's just me then, but all the D's I see in korean hours are atleast C-.
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On February 08 2011 03:55 Megaliskuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
Not true whatsoever, there are alot of koreans who are actually D/D-
Maybe it's just me then, but all the D's I see in korean hours are atleast C-.
No its not just u, they are often way better than their rank and 2 out of 3 times get pissy if u beat em as D foreigner, so i think they know they are 
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I would recommend to play just one game, whichever you find more fun (If you actually want to become a good player).
I would also recommend to watch professional vods and try to replicate/understand the builds they use. If you do play on BNET or ICCUP you will find that most players play nothing like progamers, so you can actually become good pretty quick.
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The thing about koreans on iccup is they have their own dedicated higher level servers with less lag like fish and brain in korea so there isnt that much reason to go on iccup... except to use us foreigners as punching bags It is good practice at least
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Welcome to the dark side =D,
Long answer short, prepare to practice a lot =)! But the journey is definitely worth it,
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On February 08 2011 17:18 KissBlade wrote:
Welcome to the dark side =D,
Long answer short, prepare to practice a lot =)! But the journey is definitely worth it,
The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural.
Be wary of the Jedi, Anakin. Only through me can you achieve a power greater than any Jedi
―Palpatine to Anakin
How fitting of a quote huh?
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
On February 08 2011 06:00 buhhy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 04:51 Usurper wrote:
The only reason why i am only SC2 player, is because SC:BW is acting retarded when mixed with Windows 7 + Winamp. Also, i have widescreen, so the stretching of the screen is not the best sight (and i definitly don't like the "window mode"). Also killing explorer.exe everytime i wanna play SC:BW just so the colors are fine, is quite the nuisance. But if everything was fine and dandy with SC:BW (on Windows7/Widescreen) i think i would return to it as well. The game is just THAT great. Hmm try running it in windows mode + x2 size for 1280x960 if your monitor is big enough, it works quite nicely for me.
better just uninstall Windows 7. -__-
IMHO
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I'm doing the same thing, OP. If you want someone to practice with, drop me a PM some time. I don't go on iCCup 'cause I hardly know what I'm doing, but I can stomp the protoss AI with the best of them :p SC2 has spoiled me - it's impossible (in my mind) to control zerglings when you can only select 12 of them. It's maddening, trying to hotkey so many hatcheries. But I'm stubborn, I'll learn
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Only played vs the AI so far so i'm wondering at which game speed the game is played online.
On February 09 2011 04:37 ArcticVanguard wrote:I'm doing the same thing, OP. If you want someone to practice with, drop me a PM some time. I don't go on iCCup 'cause I hardly know what I'm doing, but I can stomp the protoss AI with the best of them :p SC2 has spoiled me - it's impossible (in my mind) to control zerglings when you can only select 12 of them. It's maddening, trying to hotkey so many hatcheries. But I'm stubborn, I'll learn
Cool will do.
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On February 09 2011 04:40 Serdiuk wrote:
Only played vs the AI so far so i'm wondering at which game speed the game is played online.
My understanding is that it's on either faster or fastest, I can't remember which, most likely fastest.
EDIT: IntoTheWow above me said fastest, thank you.
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yea man, i've been putting off going to bw cause i keep thinking up of new ways to use hydras in sc2.
one day i'll learn you.
You should play Zerg, nothing beats picking off stray marine/medic or Workers. Or hell, just landing scourges on vessels and dropships. mmmmmm....
Can't 4get Hold Lurkers against mm ball :D
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On February 06 2011 12:12 kNyTTyM wrote:
Oh yes word of caution I'm going to give anyone who is going to start up brood war. If you don't play protoss, prepare to be frustrated like never before. TvP and ZvP are the biggest pain ever at D and is most likely the reason there are so many P players. But I can tell you there is nothing funner in brood war then rolling a zerg with sk terran and raining hell all over dragoons. Blue soup is so satisfying.
It's only frustrating when you get flanked to death in TvP (depends on the map of course).
Python there's no easy third so I try to go for a timing push off two bases only for it to fail to zealots and stuff. Then I try to come back with a macro game only to get flanked from all "holes"
I think TvZ and TvT are my better matchups and TvP can just go to hell...
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On February 09 2011 06:14 Silentness wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 12:12 kNyTTyM wrote:
Oh yes word of caution I'm going to give anyone who is going to start up brood war. If you don't play protoss, prepare to be frustrated like never before. TvP and ZvP are the biggest pain ever at D and is most likely the reason there are so many P players. But I can tell you there is nothing funner in brood war then rolling a zerg with sk terran and raining hell all over dragoons. Blue soup is so satisfying. It's only frustrating when you get flanked to death in TvP (depends on the map of course). Python there's no easy third so I try to go for a timing push off two bases only for it to fail to zealots and stuff. Then I try to come back with a macro game only to get flanked from all "holes" I think TvZ and TvT are my better matchups and TvP can just go to hell...
I'm actually the other way around. TvP is by far the easiet T matchup for me, and TvZ is the hardest. The micro is just so more intrincate, and your units are so fragile. Macro is also harder, and unit grouping is fucking difficult.
With TvP I just need to think. Micro, macro, grouping, and mechanics in general are easier. I also find TvP to be the easiet matchup strategically, and TvT to be the hardest.
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