EPTRiches to rags: How I Sold my "Soul" for $600. - Page 4
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sharky246
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pred470r
Bulgaria3265 Posts
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xSixGeneralHan
United States528 Posts
Edit: not to mention she probably died of heartbreak from her husband, and not anything to do with a car deal. She's with him now anyways  | ||
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plated.rawr
Norway1676 Posts
I realise the OP is legitimately sad for what ended up happening, but that's also a sickening part - if she hadn't returned or realised she'd been scammed, if she didn't end up dead, chances are, you'd not give this much thought. At that point though, you'd already made the gravest social transgression against another human - deliberately exploiting their trust in you for financial gain at the cost of them. Bah. | ||
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
If you could kill someone without anyone knowing and a zero chance of being caught, you would still be a murderer because you would know. I think it was is some martial arts context that I read/heard an aphorism along the lines of "the sword does as much damage to the one that strikes as to the one that is struck". Assuming a normal amount of empathy, I have found that to be mostly true. People develope mechanisms to forget/rationalize/justify their actions, but most often there are still negative feelings about "bad" deeds. Call it karma if you will. A friend of mine once told me a (somewhat braging) story of him beating up some asshole that "deserved it" but years later he confided in me that he still sees that guys bloody face in front of him sometimes. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
In fact I only buy/lease cars from people I know very well and when I say very well I mean it's a relative who owns a dealership. That way I know I'm getting the best deal possible. Anyway, you did nothing wrong. It's your job to get the highest price point. If your conscience is eating away at you it might be time for another job, but considering your situation you need the money. Doesn't mean you cannot look around when you're off. You can still search while working. | ||
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GreatFall
United States1061 Posts
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
On February 02 2012 01:32 plated.rawr wrote: This blog disgusts me, and also reminds me why I hate the world and distrust any ammount of libertarianism and pro-free market advocating. Profiting is what matters, irregardless of consequences or, hell, as this blog has shown, basic humanity. Who cares of the basic living condition of other people - a bonus for me is far more important! I realise the OP is legitimately sad for what ended up happening, but that's also a sickening part - if she hadn't returned or realised she'd been scammed, if she didn't end up dead, chances are, you'd not give this much thought. At that point though, you'd already made the gravest social transgression against another human - deliberately exploiting their trust in you for financial gain at the cost of them. Bah. I totally understand what you're saying. I can't defend what I did, but I can tell you that the guilt, remorse, and moral conflict was not a result of her "finding out." I was pressured by my own financial obligations to my family and my desire to climb the proverbial ladder. | ||
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
It was the first time I bought my own car. Luckily I went with my boss and a co-worker. They were both women. I know this may sound sexist, but car dealers are known to try to take advantage of women more than men because they may think they don't know much about cars in detail. Well funny enough my boss is a tomboy. She was raised around guys her whole life so when we were checking out some used cars she DESTROYED the car salesmen. She popped the hood and gave the car salesman a verbal ass whipping. She was checking everything under the hood, the inside interior, exterior, exhaust pipe, and everything. I could tell the car salesman was mad because I didn't come by myself. So after numerous used car salesmen trying to rob me... I said fuck it and bought a brand new car. I probably could of got a lot cheaper, but me and another co-worker haggled as much as we could. Haha my coworker said "You need women like us to have your back." The finance manager was mad that I had brought someone into the office for the final contract, but it's always good to have a 2nd person looking in from the outside to make sure you aren't raping yourself in price. I understand car salesmen have to make a living, but the buyer has to make a living too so BE SMART and do your research before you go into a dealership. I fought like crazy to get my price range down. PS: Oh yeah I just now remembered, these little girls were selling girl scouts cookies. In a way I feel like they are con-men. I know you're thinking they're sweet little innocent girls. BULL-FUCKIN SHIT! I politely told the little girl "I'm sorry maybe later." She replied saying "well you're rude" What the fuck kind of salesman is that? Excuse my language, but I was actually mad, but seeing as how they were just young girls trying to sell cookies for their organization I couldn't really be pissed off at them. It's just the fact that the organization is trying to sucker people into buying overpriced cookies because cute little innocent girls are selling it. I work for a living as well and I don't have the money to be buying cookies every time someone asks me. Does that make me a rude asshole? /end rant | ||
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Arthemesia
United States292 Posts
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
I read her obituary 3 weeks later. my mouth formed an O in surprise. 5/5 Oh and it reminded me of the beginning of the movie Drag Me To Hell (small spoiler ahead) + Show Spoiler + where the main character refuses to help an elderly lady at the bank she works for, meaning she'll lose her house, all because she wants a promotion she's been working hard for. Just be thankful the old woman you dealt with wasn't a gypsy and you're not in a Sam Raimi film | ||
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PUPATREE
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crc
Australia256 Posts
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ThePurist
Canada686 Posts
On February 11 2012 17:53 crc wrote: You know, when I have kids, I'll tell them I would be proud whatever career they choose, as long as they don't become salesman. They can do whatever crummy dirty job they want, but at least they are earning some honest dollars. Whereas (from my experience at least) I have never met an honest salesman. They put on a face and convince you that you want to spend money on some ripoff that you don't need, overloading and scaring you with twisted information. Honest salesman might exist somewhere, but I don't think they'd make it anywhere. I was in sales back in college for too long, and I was legitimate - worked at clothing retailers XYZ (mostly commission based) and when customers that I was helping would ask questions I'd answer truthfully. This is not because I possess some sort of superior moral qualities, but simply because I have to tell them my name (to get the sale registered to me) and I didn't want to taint my own name. I wasn't the best sales associate, but was above-average empirically speaking in volume of sales; consistently made top 5 out of a team of 50. What I found was that being an honest guy has its own appeals and clients would actually actively seek me out for their shopping experiences. This means repeat customers and great clientele build up. Occasionally, there were times where one of "my" customers would shop while I wasn't working and I'd see sales registered to my name because they wanted to help me out I guess. Telling the truth or forgetting your role as an S.A and providing real facts goes a long way. We had belts usually for $200~300 and a few weird customers would ask for a discount on it because they are buying some other stuff with it, which makes no sense as I can't adjust the MSRP as a lowly S.A. However, I would respectfully say it's not within my powers but I do know a place where they sell the exact same belt for $20~30 cheaper. I joke around and say that I shouldn't talk them out of sales and I guess this is where they appreciate honesty. Usually customers are kinda drawn back and give me a WTF-is-this-guy-for-real? face and later realize that I actually helped them which usually translates to increased sales for me. If not, then so be it, but I still get to feel good knowing that I helped out. Win-win. The fact of the matter is, there are far more ignorant people than people with sensible decision-making skills. Ignorance isn't an excuse and it doesn't discriminates anybody. If you only wish to purchase item X, but walk out the store with X+Y+Z; don't blame cross-selling techniques, don't blame the salesperson, blame yourself. If you know that you don't need something that's marked up 500%, and call BS on the information they provided you - just buy what you need and leave it's not that hard. | ||
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ThePurist
Canada686 Posts
On February 11 2012 11:38 Silentness wrote: PS: Oh yeah I just now remembered, these little girls were selling girl scouts cookies. In a way I feel like they are con-men. I know you're thinking they're sweet little innocent girls. BULL-FUCKIN SHIT! I politely told the little girl "I'm sorry maybe later." She replied saying "well you're rude" What the fuck kind of salesman is that? Excuse my language, but I was actually mad, but seeing as how they were just young girls trying to sell cookies for their organization I couldn't really be pissed off at them. It's just the fact that the organization is trying to sucker people into buying overpriced cookies because cute little innocent girls are selling it. I work for a living as well and I don't have the money to be buying cookies every time someone asks me. Does that make me a rude asshole? /end rant Their cookies taste like shit anyway. Tell them to come back with a superior product either in quality or value coupled with improved salesmenship tactics and maybe you'll reconsider. | ||
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ThePurist
Canada686 Posts
First of all I hope you are doing alright as seeing your experience being pretty traumatic. Below is just what I feel after reading your blog. - I guess we'll never know but, why didn't the son come along in the first place and why did he fail to get out his mother out of the deal? - The reasoning, "If I didn't take advantage someone else would've, so why not me?" is pretty messed up IMHO. It's your life and you call the shots and face your own outcomes as a result of your decisions. Not faulting your previous decisions, but I just find that logic really irresponsible. You weren't entirely forced to lie. - She most likely didn't pass away because of the car purchase. It seems like (within my limited knowledge) that she really didn't have a reason to live anymore - debt/husband passing away/possibly more problems. IMHO you can't fault yourself in this aspect because factually we really don't know why she passed away. You are inclined to believe that you had a play in all of this but I'd argue it was minimal. Lastly, On January 31 2012 14:18 Joedaddy wrote: It's really easy for some people to say they'd do this or that for "X" number of dollars. What they don't know is the black hole it leaves inside you when you sell your morality and principles. Until you've felt that, lived with it, looked at yourself in the mirror and been ashamed because of it you can't understand it. Thanks for sharing this piece of wisdom. | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
My wife was just offered a promotion and a modest raise Looks like we're finally going to get back into a house instead of living in a tiny apartment. I'm really excited that my daughter (she's 5) is finally going to have a back yard again. My 2nd semester of college is a little over 1/2 way done and after may-mester and summer classes (took 19 hours last semester and this semester too + some carry over credits from when I took classes while in the military) I'll only need 1 more semester before moving on to an actual university to finish up my bachelors. I guess we'll never know but, why didn't the son come along in the first place and why did he fail to get out his mother out of the deal? - I can't say for sure why the son got involved after the fact rather than before. I lied and told her the deal was done and there was nothing anybody could do to get her out of the deal. If they'd gotten an attorney we would have been up a creek, but 99 times out of 100 the customer never takes it that far so car salesman get away with a lot more than they should just by bluffing. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
Are you still working as a dealer btw? | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
On March 31 2012 23:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: That's great news Are you still working as a dealer btw? Not anymore no ^^ | ||
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