EPTRiches to rags: How I Sold my "Soul" for $600. - Page 3
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
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Mawi
Sweden4365 Posts
Recently quited my first job as Door Salesment as I understood we SCAM people 1000% The money was nice but my personality im a nice guy. 3 easy steps SEE S= Smile E= Eye contact E= Enthusiam That could help you seal the deal to a close. If you get alot of NO in my job it meant we could sell things easier and it was proven.. | ||
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Knap4life
Slovenia333 Posts
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
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Jaybles
United States22 Posts
Should your morality be sacrificed? your morality shouldn't even come into question, you work for a business, and the business itself is at fault for doing business in this way. I worked as a butcher, in a very dirty environment finally closed down due to black mold, as a cleaner, as an employee, and as a salesman the lines of my personal morality were frequently at question, but at the same time, a business is its environment, and a business will run how it sees fit. >I'm not a mold specialist, and sticking with your story, you're not a saint, and more importantly if she was looking for a good deal, she shouldn't have been at a car lot. It could have easily been me getting begged for cheaper meat, and me selling this lady infected meat and killing her three weeks later, you're just some random bit of stardust entangled in some meaningless web of self-induced mentality. I'm not against you wanting to feel bad, but don't confuse yourself with someone compromising morality and directly factoring in the killing of a woman, when in reality she probably was just at her life's logical end, if you would have read that three weeks later she won the lottery would have felt better, or worse? given that you're still working as a car sales man? | ||
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
Sometimes I look back at some of the things I've done, and I'm not too proud, but this... Well, at least you came clean about it and feel really terrible about it. That is a good start. This is one of the reasons I could never be a salesmen. I honestly couldn't lie to people about money and the value of things like that. | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
And don't get me started on the door-to-door fixed rate gas contract guys, god damn. I'd wish you good mental health, OP, but that would honestly be a lie. I hope you always remember what you did and it haunts you. | ||
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
On February 01 2012 04:05 Jaybles wrote: What I will say is ultimately you didn't do anything short of following orders, and as much as i hate to pull this facist phrase from the past, you get paid based on how you rob a typical consumer, the only difference is really and truly, it's legal and it means you're getting paid. Should your morality be sacrificed? your morality shouldn't even come into question, you work for a business, and the business itself is at fault for doing business in this way. I worked as a butcher, in a very dirty environment finally closed down due to black mold, as a cleaner, as an employee, and as a salesman the lines of my personal morality were frequently at question, but at the same time, a business is its environment, and a business will run how it sees fit. >I'm not a mold specialist, and sticking with your story, you're not a saint, and more importantly if she was looking for a good deal, she shouldn't have been at a car lot. It could have easily been me getting begged for cheaper meat, and me selling this lady infected meat and killing her three weeks later, you're just some random bit of stardust entangled in some meaningless web of self-induced mentality. I'm not against you wanting to feel bad, but don't confuse yourself with someone compromising morality and directly factoring in the killing of a woman, when in reality she probably was just at her life's logical end, if you would have read that three weeks later she won the lottery would have felt better, or worse? given that you're still working as a car sales man? While I agree that what he did probably had little to nothing to with the lady dying, I can't agree with your morality at all. Trying to put the blame on "business practices" is crap. You are responsable for your actions, unless you are under some form of coersion or duress (i.e. being threatened or tortured). Just needing money or just doing a job does not excuse immoral behavior in my book, and I think too many people try to pass blame on to "superiors." | ||
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frogmelter
United States971 Posts
On January 31 2012 14:26 MattBarry wrote: Yeah $600 for damning someone to death is pretty inhumane, I still think most morals have a price, but I'd never kill anyone or be the cause of death. Well, it's not like he was the direct cause of it. You don't even know if he even contributed. He had no way of knowing that this person would suicide. Maybe she still would have suicide even if he gave her a better deal. Maybe there were other circumstances. I feel like you're being a bit harsh on the OP. Yes, he made a questionable choice, but I'm sure he wouldn't have done it if he knew that it would kill her. | ||
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Jaybles
United States22 Posts
nope, you literally are following orders, you are a unit in place of the company the same way if a unit dies in sc2 it's the users fault, those units didn't have any choice, and you can argue all you like about trying to undo certain procedure of a hierarchy, but the world is more than just you. When you work for a company, you are a part of that unit structure, you purely exist in their environment, it's not in your job description to be an assistance to morality, and if that's the case, you best pay up. "(i.e. being threatened or tortured)." >>> may lose your job, without your compliance >>> may end up being hated by your co-workers for attempting to set a moral high-ground >>> This is why you don't hear about things until the situation is typically fubar'd. It has happened with nearly every industry in existence in the past four years, so let's neglect ultimately the past 70. if he hadn't closed the deal the way he did, everyone would have pestered and badgered his ass for being a weak salesman, he literally did it to fit in, hence his guilt in boning over an older woman for money. Should he feel bad about it? absolutely not, in his line of work this sort of thing is encouraged because it shows you have the initiative and loyalty to the company, you know, the people that sign your checks and keep you well fed. | ||
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kanada
Canada255 Posts
On January 31 2012 17:40 MightyAtom wrote: A really great post, thanks for sharing. Extremely sincere and heartfelt. I know if the widow knew what you had gone through, she'd have also forgiven you by now. ^^ This was my first thought, ultimately you learned a new lesson, perhaps at a great cost. But it seems you have learned a great lesson, and as you said you are happier now. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
The whole concept of a "fair price" is so abstract. An object's value is only determined by what people are willing to pay for it. Your story makes it sound like the woman was perfectly happy to pay what she was for the vehicle, until she found out that the MSRP was actually much lower; then she was upset. Buyers have a responsibility to research what they are purchacing and determing how much they are willing to pay for what they are getting. If they haven't done that then I can't see why this is anyone's fault but their own. Also just because she was an old lady doesn't mean she was entirely on the level either, she could have just as easily been giving you an elaborated sob story in the hopes that she could get you to sympathize and give her a lower price. Elderly people are just as prone to ripping people off in deals as are young people (maybe more). Either way, I don't see why this is anything to feel bad about. (As a salesman I would, however, likely be unable to fight the urge to tell customers that they are complete morons. That would probably hurt my sales....) It sounds to me more like you were in general dissatisfied with how your life was going and possibly you were clinically depressed. I can understand how that would lead you down the path it did. But I hope it's not the incident over the old lady, for all you know she could have had cancer for months before she died. | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
Your depression was useless. You should've kept going. She died. That wasn't your fault. Selling a car doesn't kill people. Especially old sick ones, they die by theirselves. | ||
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Jaybles
United States22 Posts
It was probably the realized cost of producing an iphone for 5 bucks, and her paying 500 dollars that really put her in the ground. xD | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Arterial
Australia1039 Posts
I can see it from your point of view....you have a family to feed too....and who doesn't want more money....but lying to the woman makes my heart feel uncomfortable. It was definitely a hard decision man. I feel sorry for you. | ||
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-Kaiser-
Canada932 Posts
I can't believe that that's legal and I can't believe that you would go through with it. I think this is a karma thread. At least you learned a lot about what not being a horrible person is like. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
Hope you've found a better job already (or are going to), good luck. | ||
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