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I have always been hesitant to tell anyone on TL my league. See starcraft 2, like BW, is full of elitists. I have no problem with this because there's no shame in being an elitist if you have the skills to back it up. But it does make me scared to post up my league on the forums for fear of my opinion being regarded as utter trash.
Come to think of it, my opinions in the past have often been utter trash. And I can see that in the opinion of a GM, BSGPD idea of strategy is limited by their mechanics. Eg: A low level player may think that marines are imba because his opponent just sniped his collosi with a bunch of marines but in reality the terran had triple his supply and a wicked flank. Poor mechanics can f*ck up your gamesense.
Anyway enough procrastinating, I'm going to bite the bullet and reveal to you just how much of a noob I am.
I'm a platinum scrub.
On the SEA server.
So not only am I a scrub but I'm also a scrub on the scrubbiest server around. I must be the NA equivalent of a bronzie right?
RIGHT?
Nope.
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Today was my first day in a NA clan. I trained against other plats and I SLAUGHTERED them. It felt way too easy. So I thought to myself "Is this really the quality of platinum league in NA?"
So for the first time ever I laddered on the north american server. 5 EZ PZ lemon-squeezy wins later I got placed into diamond.
So there may be a few reasons why I got placed into diamond:
1. I am indeed a platinum scrub but I got lucky. (hey 5 matches isn't really statistically significant anyway)
2. I am diamond but the SEA server just hasn't promoted me yet
3.Battlenet is correct about my skill level on both servers but plat sea=diamond na
I'm going to settle for the last little inference and bask in my newfound jingoistic pride. >:D
 
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Ladders measure relative skill not absolute skill.
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3 sounds about right. Masters toss easily on NA, still hoping to get promoted from diamond on sea
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On January 18 2012 16:41 SarR wrote:
Ladders measure relative skill not absolute skill.
Which he mentioned, as options 3.
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I feel like in plat nothing is solidified... I mean you see silvers beating plats on occasion, golds taking a game off diamonds... eh there skill level seems so jumbled.
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goona go with 1, not enough games played.
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When I played on both frequently I was diamond on both. I think their mostly the same level but if I had to pick a better one I'd say SEA.
Of course for high master tp grand master it would be different. I would guess SEA < NA < EU < KR. I'd say thats mainly because for the top SEA players NA is free so might as well go there for larger server population and KR is quite close too.
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quite simple. The NA server has more players so it is easier to get promoted in a higher league.
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On January 18 2012 17:12 Skilledblob wrote:
quite simple. The NA server has more players so it is easier to get promoted in a higher league.
more players mean nothing. it can so happen that a particular has more players better than you and u land in a lower league.
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On January 18 2012 17:03 FabledIntegral wrote:
I feel like in plat nothing is solidified... I mean you see silvers beating plats on occasion, golds taking a game off diamonds... eh there skill level seems so jumbled.
How often do you see silvers beating plat? I'm EU plat and there's no way a silver would beat me in a standard game, though you can of course not account for everything. I get embaressed as hell when I lose to gold players, even if they are top 8 in their division, if I lost to a silver in a macro game, I'd probably never play the game again.
Plat players might be scrubs, but there's a massive difference between being a scrub in plat and being a complete n00b in silver.
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On January 18 2012 16:39 Selendis wrote:
See starcraft 2, like BW, is full of elitists.
Elitism completely switched over to SC2, BW has none remaining.
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On January 18 2012 18:27 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 16:39 Selendis wrote:
See starcraft 2, like BW, is full of elitists. Elitism completely switched over to SC2, BW has none remaining.
Hah! Yeah right.
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On January 18 2012 17:59 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 17:03 FabledIntegral wrote:
I feel like in plat nothing is solidified... I mean you see silvers beating plats on occasion, golds taking a game off diamonds... eh there skill level seems so jumbled. How often do you see silvers beating plat? I'm EU plat and there's no way a silver would beat me in a standard game, though you can of course not account for everything. I get embaressed as hell when I lose to gold players, even if they are top 8 in their division, if I lost to a silver in a macro game, I'd probably never play the game again. Plat players might be scrubs, but there's a massive difference between being a scrub in plat and being a complete n00b in silver.
No idea, I just don't notice a difference in the skill level T_T
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On January 18 2012 18:27 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 16:39 Selendis wrote:
See starcraft 2, like BW, is full of elitists. Elitism completely switched over to SC2, BW has none remaining.
Just wait till the true BW elitists switch over, the elitism in SC2 is a farce
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On January 18 2012 18:27 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 16:39 Selendis wrote:
See starcraft 2, like BW, is full of elitists. Elitism completely switched over to SC2, BW has none remaining.
On the contrary I think BW has only elitists left now.
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On January 18 2012 18:56 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 18:27 Djagulingu wrote:On January 18 2012 16:39 Selendis wrote:
See starcraft 2, like BW, is full of elitists. Elitism completely switched over to SC2, BW has none remaining. Just wait till the true BW elitists switch over, the elitism in SC2 is a farce
We see what you did there 
@OP Yep, when I was top eight diamond in SEA for ages, I decided to play some NA, 20 games later I was mid masters. My opinion - which I've stated before and been slammed for - is that NA has a larger sample of players. As such, their lower (bronze - low masters) leagues are worse than their equivalent SEA leagues, but their top masters/pros are better than the SEA equivalents. Though of course, now having spent more time on sc2sea I would revert my opinion of all pros in NA being better than SEA xD Pig/Mafia/jazbas etc. hwaiting!
Again, just my opinion.
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lol that's like D- on Iccup
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When i was Bronze on the SEA server, i was Gold on the US. I think people under estimate the level of skill on SEA
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From my experience on the 4 main servers (EU US SEA KR)
KR high diamonds/low masters = GM on SEA, GM/high masters on NA, and masters on EU
KR GM and Masters are GM everywhere else
EU > NA except in some GM levels.
SEA high Diamonds > NA low masters
EU Mid masters > GM's on SEA
This is excluding anything above 50GM since the level and number of players is fewer and more varied.
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I would bet anything that NA has a significant amount of more players that bought the game played >20 games and quit than any other region. This is why masters is watered down in comparison to other regions
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congrats! keep this feeling as long as possible before you feel like shit again (which you inevitably always will again)
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I got placed into Plat, couldn't get out of it regardless of having been C- iCCup. Thing is, I realized I just didn't care enough about SCII to seriously try and get good at it, so now I'm happy enjoying BW as an observer and spectator. Sooner or later I hope everyone realizes Ladder is pointless.
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Good job not losing yo games, bro. Could be since you played so much on SEA your MMR is taking longer to climb up to promotion levels, ya know? So you just pop right up to diamond once on NA.
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On January 18 2012 21:20 Mattchew wrote:
I would bet anything that NA has a significant amount of more players that bought the game played >20 games and quit than any other region. This is why masters is watered down in comparison to other regions
If that were true, then they'd be gone after each season refresh.
No, NA has just a very large variance of skill, and huge quantities of players. Makes the the mean a bit lower. ..math goes here.
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On January 18 2012 18:59 Loanshark wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 18:27 Djagulingu wrote:On January 18 2012 16:39 Selendis wrote:
See starcraft 2, like BW, is full of elitists. Elitism completely switched over to SC2, BW has none remaining. On the contrary I think BW has only elitists left now.
It all comes down to your definition of elitism. If you call Sayle/Kiante/XsebT elitist, then I will agree with you. BW has a fuckton of elitism. On the contrary, BW guys are really friendly towards newcomers from SC2 as long as the newcomers are respectful towards BW and not go ahead and say something like "hey guise do u no dat sc2 came out LOOOOOOL" or "what is this? 1960s? Do you also listen to disco music? LOOOOOOOOL".
Thing is, the respect in BW community is too much for an ordinary SC2 guy that he gets confused about what to do. No balance whining, no player/caster bashing, no random insults floating all around in LR threads, that's just too much I guess.
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On January 18 2012 18:41 Gnial wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 18:27 Djagulingu wrote:On January 18 2012 16:39 Selendis wrote:
See starcraft 2, like BW, is full of elitists. Elitism completely switched over to SC2, BW has none remaining. Hah! Yeah right.
He's right, everybody in the BW is totally chilled (until you mention sc2).
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On January 18 2012 17:12 Skilledblob wrote:
quite simple. The NA server has more players so it is easier to get promoted in a higher league.
No, it's split by percentages.
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5 placement matches on a new account on a new server means nothing. The system has no idea what your skill level is.
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Back at release when I was in silver league I played 5 placement games on a guest pass, won them all, and got placed into platinum.
Clearly NA > NA.
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In BW, the closer you got to korea, the harder the games were. East Coast < West Coast < Korea. Same is probably true in SC2. I know that I'd be diamond (high masters in na) if I played in korea.
On the other hand, I'd have a much higher turnaround rate since koreans are cheesy fucks, and I can outcheese even SCDPride, so IDK.
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