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From the days of BW, I have always believed gg was a sign of defeat. The game may not have been good; in fact, it may not have even needed to last past the 1 minute mark, but gg was usually a respectful way of admitting defeat.
Now with SC2 (and even the ai says gg), I start to see another opinion, that gg is a sign of a literal "good game", which also confuses me because a "good" game is entirely subjective. In fact, some people are offended when there is no gg said and in some other games (league of legends for example), people will go as far as to even say "bg", which may or may not happen in sc2 but I haven't seen it yet.
So, TL, without going into debate on whether or not gg is needed (too many threads out there for that), what does gg signify to you?
Poll: What does GG mean to you?I lost (157) 73% we played a good game (57) 27% 214 total votes Your vote: What does GG mean to you? (Vote): I lost
(Vote): we played a good game
And also, since the idea of a "good" game is entirely subjective,
Poll: What is a "good" game to you?I didn't mess up (100) 68% Other player did not go for an abusive strategy (48) 32% 148 total votes Your vote: What is a "good" game to you? (Vote): I didn't mess up
(Vote): Other player did not go for an abusive strategy
 
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I voted "I lost" as the meaning of gg, I feel like it's just like a virtual handshake that you do at the end of a game. As for good game, for me, it can be when it's been really close and I just win or if the person completely dominated me in an impressive way.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
just admitting defeat in a nice way by saying good game whether it was 'good' or not.
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In its use in StarCraft, I use gg as a way of conceding defeat in a game. If I only said it when I think we played a good game or something, then I'd "ragequit" a lot of games. To me, a "good" game is when I don't make really horrible mistakes and the game wasn't a silly cheese (on either end). You know, a back and forth game, win or lose; something that felt like a true contest.
That being said, when I lose, regardless of how, I say gg before I leave.
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If a person's definition of a good game is not messing up, then they should never gg, because every person messes up something every game.
But anyway, gg-ing should be a sign of surrender. It's like a handshake after a game. It's also a sign of respect and a tradition since SC1.
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Admitting defeat. When I do feel it was an actual good game and/or I got outplayed, I will add "wp".
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A good game is any game that I can learn something from. In fact I think most "bad games" are games where I crush someone else doing an abusive/all-in strategy that I already know how to beat. If I can't beat it, then I still need more practice against it, so then it's not a waste of my time, so it's a good game.
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I agree with Erik. GG means admitting defeat, and should be said when you lose. There are only two possibilities for losing. 1- you got outplayed IN SOME WAY or 2- You made some sort of mistake IN SOME WAY.
I always GG, even when getting cheesed. Sometimes I even WP a cheese, if it's really inventive, fresh, or I had no idea what to do about it.
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gg is just a manner way of conceding defeat from what I remember in broodwar. if A game is really something I feel was played wonderfully from both players or just my opponent I'll say "gg wp" but nothing more and nothing less than that.
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Netherlands6142 Posts
Wtf is "abusive" strategy? Aren't all strategies supposed to be abusive. If I win with cloaked banshees am I not abusing the fact that you were too terrible to get detection up in time. Sigh... 
Anyway, on topic, "gg" to me is like saying "Hi we played a competitive game of starcraft and through your superior skills you won and therefore I hereby yield you the win in sportmanshipy and gentlemanly like fashion. Well done son"
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GG for me means "congratulations, you've bested me in this contest of skill".
It's only an abusive strategy if the other person was using a 3rd party hack, in which case I'd just quit without gging.
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On December 23 2011 17:51 Pholon wrote:
Anyway, on topic, "gg" to me is like saying "Hi we played a competitive game of starcraft and through your superior skills you won and therefore I hereby yield you the win in sportmanshipy and gentlemanly like fashion. Well done son"
Basically this. It's just a polite way of conceding a game that shows respect.
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On December 23 2011 17:57 Newbistic wrote:
GG for me means "congratulations, you've bested me in this contest of skill".
It's only an abusive strategy if the other person was using a 3rd party hack, in which case I'd just quit without gging.
I completely agree with this person!
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Doesn't necessarily mean I didn't mess up, because I do, a lot, because I'm not GM or Code S. But I'm happy enough as long as I play to or close to my level , and I always gg because it's a little bit nicer, but I gotta admit it's no big deal.
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It's hard for me to answer in a clear-cut manner (as a poll would suggest). To me GG is a sign of surrender, but also can be said when expressing the feeling of a "good game". GG is a social interaction, something that has been discussed time and time again. I personally take great offense when someone offers a GG to me before the completion of the game. Because GG is offered up as a sign of surrender (even if you felt the game qualified as a "good game"), it's extremely offensive for your opponent to surrender for you. It's just poor gamesmanship no matter which way you cut it.
Conversely, I don't condemn someone for not saying "GG" either, nor do I feel that not saying GG (for whatever reason) is mean-spirited or "bad mannered".
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whenever i leave a game i must press the "surrender" button which means i've admitted defeat. There is no point saying it again. GG just means "game over" just like a caster would says: "it's gonna be a GG" he/she doesn't mean it's going to be a really good game, the game is just going to end.
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Your polls do not cover all the possible answers. To the second poll I would reply "a good game is an enjoyable game". As for the first poll, I chose "I lost", as I think typing "gg" is now part of the starcraft culture as a polite way of acknowledging your defeat. It's like a handshake after a tennis match.
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GG means I lost, but a good game is when I play to the best of my abilities and someone still outplays me.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
On December 23 2011 17:51 Pholon wrote:Wtf is "abusive" strategy? Aren't all strategies supposed to be abusive. If I win with cloaked banshees am I not abusing the fact that you were too terrible to get detection up in time. Sigh... Anyway, on topic, "gg" to me is like saying "Hi we played a competitive game of starcraft and through your superior skills you won and therefore I hereby yield you the win in sportmanshipy and gentlemanly like fashion. Well done son"
Abusive is proxying scouts.
I did GG that tho.
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I always GG.
I GG WP if I feel like the player was a real cut above me, the kind I would have trouble winning 1 in 10 against.
It literally means, Good Game. I don' think it will ever lose it's meaning. Playing Starcraft with someone is like having a conversation. Sometimes its one sided, sometimes one person knows more, but the conversation is always fun and interesting- because its Starcraft! And it is, indeed, a good game.
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I generally make a comment, its not always GG. Unless I move my stuff into his units tho, or lose a control group right at the end (generally making it the end) i GG if the game gets to more then 2 base each.
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If you play vs me, I wont gg in approx. 90% of the games, because I only say gg, when I think, we had a good game where my opponent won in the end, but did not go for shitty cheese or stuff like that.
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I usually say "wp" if I thought we played a good game actually.
To me, saying wp means "I thought I did pretty well, but you just got the better of me".
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On December 23 2011 20:56 Watercrystal wrote:
If you play vs me, I wont gg in approx. 90% of the games, because I only say gg, when I think, we had a good game where my opponent won in the end, but did not go for shitty cheese or stuff like that.
When u think 90% of ur games are cheesy or abusive then I think the problem lies with you. maybe you and Idra can make a show about it?
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it weirded me out when people started writing "gg gl" or w/e at the start of the game.
something in my brain felt like they were surrendering.
but yeah it just means "its over, starcraft is awesome"
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It means "good game". . . Whatever your personal meaning of "good" is is another matter. I just say "wp" at the end because it's a much more accurate summation of my feelings most of the time. I generally don't think it was a "good game" if I lost because that usually means I played poorly.
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On December 23 2011 21:57 Vortigan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 20:56 Watercrystal wrote:
If you play vs me, I wont gg in approx. 90% of the games, because I only say gg, when I think, we had a good game where my opponent won in the end, but did not go for shitty cheese or stuff like that. When u think 90% of ur games are cheesy or abusive then I think the problem lies with you. maybe you and Idra can make a show about it?
I agree with this. I say "gg" every game, as a polite way of saying, 'congrats, you beat me.'
But i feel like a lot of the people who play this game right now are completely convinced that they played perfectly, and the only reason they lost is that marines / banshees/ colossi / mutas / infestors are imba. So they get on some high horse and go, "i don't say 'gg' if it wasn't a gg." Which is ridiculous. People's definition of cheese is becoming a little ridiculous. "Omg, 2 base marine +1/+1 Stim timing attack = super cheese even though he built a 3rd CC behind it and never cut SCVs."
Just don't play as greedily next time, and you won't lose to that.
They also don't seem to understand that people will view their f10+n's as ragequits. I know i assume that someone's raging every single time they just leave, regardless of if they are or not. If you don't want to be viewed as rage-quitting, gg. Otherwise, it'll be assumed that you did.
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This thread has been made many times over throughout TL history. There are people who are socially inept and just don't get it, and there are people who realise its Brood War's version of a handshake after the game. Well, there's other kinds of people, like those who are BM, or those who have just never used it before, but mainly it's socially inept morons who don't want to say gg because they're upset.
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On December 23 2011 23:43 Chef wrote:
This thread has been made many times over throughout TL history. There are people who are socially inept and just don't get it, and there are people who realise its Brood War's version of a handshake after the game. Well, there's other kinds of people, like those who are BM, or those who have just never used it before, but mainly it's socially inept morons who don't want to say gg because they're upset.
I'm pretty sure whether someone gged or not after a game in ICCUP and foreign tourneys was not a big deal at all. Its this new wave of sc2 kids who are obsessed over this trivial detail.
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I always "gg" when I lose. I have done that since I first started to play bw online and is just something you do. If I get badly beaten/owned I add a "wp" since well If they crush me and I played normal I guess they are pretty good and why not give them that pat on the back.
Some of my friends I play teamgames with even thinks I'm joking or BMing when I say "wp" to some awesome unit combo that kicks us before the 7min (blizz time) mark. But I honestly believe that If you cant hold something like that (or timingpushes in 1:1 games) the opponent is so much better than you and deserves a "wp" ontop of the "gg".
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To me gg means "game over, I lose" and then you leave the game. It is a ceremony upheld by all who play brood war and part of the game culture just as much as bowing before entering a dojo or taking off your shoes when going indoors.
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Like bowing before/after martial arts or handshake lines at the end of many different sports, GG is about mutual respect and competition. It shows your opponent (and yourself) that regardless of the outcome of the match whether it be thoroughly one sided, rage-inducing, super close, glorious, embarrassing, whatever the outcome is, it says to your opponent that you respect the game and you respect the opponent in the spirit of competition regardless of whether or not they deserve that respect.
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"gg" is just a shorthand way of saying "I concede."
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On December 23 2011 20:12 cursor wrote:
I always GG.
I GG WP if I feel like the player was a real cut above me, the kind I would have trouble winning 1 in 10 against. This exactly, or perhaps I could win 5/10 but in this particular game he had me figured out at every turn.
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
Poll: What is a "good" game to you?
A good game for me is a game I win. I type "GG" when I lose not because it was a good game for me (it wasn't), but rather, because it was a good game for my opponent. I am congratulating him for defeating me.
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GG is just a way of saying that you respect your opponent. Regardless of if they cheesed you or not.. GG is just basic respect.
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I gg to everything (or at least try to) except cannon rushes.
Because fuck cannon rushes
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Saying gg is basic sportsmanship. Saying good game is not only a tradition in Starcraft. It's in pretty much every sport.
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I dont gg out of the cheesy gimmicky games... I give gg if we played a long, skilled macro game,... so for me gg is what it is "good game"...
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I only say gg when I win. Because that's the only time when the game is good. Losing is not good.
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GG means im playing Broodwar, and i can acknowledge someone beating me in a game.
When playing sc2 though i just leave tbh.
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You needed another option to define a good game.
It's possible to have 2 players who don't use abusive strategies and still get a bad game.
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A good game to me is any game where lag, disconnects, or any outside factors did not affect the outcome of the game. If I mess up, I deserve to lose.
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While I only gg when I feel the game was good and I didn't mess up too much, I would also find weird to see a player in Proleague not gg even if the game was bad. I guess both meanings are acceptable.
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United States2095 Posts
To me it means : Thanks for the game.
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On February 08 2012 15:32 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
To me it means : Thanks for the game.
Same for me
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On December 23 2011 17:57 Newbistic wrote:
GG for me means "congratulations, you've bested me in this contest of skill".
It's only an abusive strategy if the other person was using a 3rd party hack, in which case I'd just quit without gging.
/sign
I never 'cheese' myself but I'm glad that others do and respect everyone's way of playing unless it's cheating. People complaining about cheese in SC are just like noobs complaining about AWP in CS. It's a part of the game. There are ways of countering each possible style of play by superior play. If you don't like the game, don't play it.
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On December 23 2011 16:54 alffla wrote:
just admitting defeat in a nice way by saying good game whether it was 'good' or not.
My sentiments exactly!
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Why are people so obsessed with the GG? I never GG unless I play one of my clanmates or I play in a clanwar or whatever.
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On February 08 2012 18:44 decaf wrote:
Why are people so obsessed with the GG? I never GG unless I play one of my clanmates or I play in a clanwar or whatever.
Because, manner.
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GG = pointless on ladder
tournaments are another story. no one should be forced to say a game was good in a ladder atmosphere, calling bm when someone doesn't is just pathetic
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To the 70%+ people who think GG means "I lost":
Do you GG back?
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it's the same thing as shaking the other team's hand in a sports game
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it´s a expression of respect and sportsmanship. It´s not important if it´s in a tournament or ladder background.
It also prevent me of becomming angry if i lost stupidly. For me it helps to keep a positive mindset.
by the way i think the gl hf is also important.
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"gg" means: "I'm not an asshole"
also it is really bm to say "g" after a game, because it means "I'm not gging against you".
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On February 08 2012 22:00 Big J wrote:
"gg" means: "I'm not an asshole"
also it is really bm to say "g" after a game, because it means "I'm not gging against you".
For me it means "I pressed enter before the second g and alt qqed straight away."
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I GG at the end of game like 99% of the time.
- When I clearly lost: I GG to my opponent, acknowledging my defeat.
- When opponent GG's, I GG back in courtesy. It's like saying thanks for your time, was a pleasure playing with you.
When I don't, it's because someone called me at that precise moment or something =/
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On February 09 2012 01:13 OpticalShot wrote:
I GG at the end of game like 99% of the time.
- When I clearly lost: I GG to my opponent, acknowledging my defeat.
- When opponent GG's, I GG back in courtesy. It's like saying thanks for your time, was a pleasure playing with you.
When I don't, it's because someone called me at that precise moment or something =/
Yes this goes for me aswell. I only do not GG flamers or people calling me names.
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For me, GGWP carries over from sportsmanship. For me, its just like a tennis match.
Nobody likes losing. And I HATE losing in tennis. If I have to go to that net and shake that Ohio State player's hand, it makes me sick. But that doesn't mean I won't shake his hand and say "good match", even if I played like I'd never picked up a racquet before.
Starcraft 2 for me is the same way. If I'm REALLY pissed, the most you'll get out of me is a gg. If I actually think it was an okay game, you can expect a ggwp before I surrender out.
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It's funny because to me WP and GG mean the exact same thing. Yet some players will type both.
How redundant!
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On February 09 2012 05:21 Lysanias wrote:
Yes this goes for me aswell. I only do not GG flamers or people calling me names.
I'm the other way around lol. I usually just type gg but if the other person flames I'm like: gg wp buddy :-* <3. I guess I'm just too cruel
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[gg, gl, hf, asl?, cyber?]* at game start
if opponent is bm:
no gg, respond with bm once ahead
otherwise:
if I win:
gg, you tried your best but I'm just that good
otherwise:
if opponent is out of my league:
if opponent was abusive:
no gg, ladder up noobbasher
otherwise:
if I made a dumb early mistake:
no gg, I never had a chance
otherwise:
gg, I gave it my best shot
otherwise:
gg
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