Someone was trying to do what you did, but figured the right way to do it. Hope this helps and if you want to play BW, let me know :3 I love playing it!
On October 31 2011 16:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: There's this girl that you like. She's kinda cute but you don't know if you like her enough to "love" her or not. You spend some time and get to know her and before you know it you're in a 10 year relationship and have had some of the best times of your lives together.
Then some douchebag comes along and tells you she's ugly.
Keep in mind all of the above started cause your friend that lives across the US set you up with her on facebook.
exactly, that's a big part of the magic, it's like your relationship with this girl is truly miraculous and fantastic
i think if one of my friends worked hard to set me up with a great girl, i'd be all the more appreciative
One would even think that you'd thank him instead of going on a tirade about them and telling them they did nothing, huh.
On October 31 2011 16:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: There's this girl that you like. She's kinda cute but you don't know if you like her enough to "love" her or not. You spend some time and get to know her and before you know it you're in a 10 year relationship and have had some of the best times of your lives together.
Then some douchebag comes along and tells you she's ugly.
? I didn't say that. I said I came along, and you told me just how amazing she was, and how no other girl in the world is like her. And I talked to her a bit, and concluded that I don't feel the same way as you do about her, even though she's a really awesome person. I also concluded I probably also don't feel the same way because I don't have the same kind of experiences with her that you do that make you love her so much.
Do you do that in real life to people? If not why are you doing it here lol.
Not everyone likes the same things we don't need a poorly worded potentially antagonizing blog to get that point across.
I think the point of this blog is to get bw fans to stop talking about how its so much better than anything else; trying to point out that whatever elitism we hold is really a product of some irrational emotional response.
Well, there are a lot of concrete things you can say about why BW is better than other games:
It requires more practice and skill to play well. It is an old game that hasn't gotten old because there are still amazing things to be done with it.
But that doesn't make someone love a game, just appreciate it a ton.
I think there's a particular ferocity of BW love because many of the people who have followed it for years did so in a very serious way. It's easier to be a casual SC2 fan than a casual BW fan because there's so many opportunities to watch and interact. SC2 is the pretty girl who's automatically endearing if you're a nerd. BW is kind of old and blocky, and she doesn't come out unless it's the middle of the night, so the people who stay up to see her absolutely adore her and are extremely dedicated fans. The type of fans who build stuff like TLPD just because it's cool, not with any ESPORTS intentions in mind. That's where the hardcore feelings you're talking about are coming from.
Besides that, though, is the unbelievable depth that the game contains. That on its own, even without watching or playing it, deserves an immense amount of appreciation, and is why BW pros receive the utmost respect, even from professionals of other games. The more you watch and see the fine details, the more that respect will turn into love. So it is and it isn't within BW itself. Part of it is the culture that has developed around it, but that culture is also predicated upon the smallest details of the game, so much so that it is studied more than any other ESPORT to date. I think if you put in some time to find those details, it's impossible not to fall in love.
My suggestion is to pick an awesome team like CJ, and not a shitty team like SKT, and follow them through a Proleague season. Watching 1 final, without knowing the players in advance, isn't quite the same.
My suggestion is to pick an awesome team like CJ, and not a shitty team like SKT, and follow them through a Proleague season. Watching 1 final, without knowing the players in advance, isn't quite the same.
On October 31 2011 16:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: There's this girl that you like. She's kinda cute but you don't know if you like her enough to "love" her or not. You spend some time and get to know her and before you know it you're in a 10 year relationship and have had some of the best times of your lives together.
Then some douchebag comes along and tells you she's ugly.
? I didn't say that. I said I came along, and you told me just how amazing she was, and how no other girl in the world is like her. And I talked to her a bit, and concluded that I don't feel the same way as you do about her, even though she's a really awesome person. I also concluded I probably also don't feel the same way because I don't have the same kind of experiences with her that you do that make you love her so much.
Do you do that in real life to people? If not why are you doing it here lol.
Not everyone likes the same things we don't need a poorly worded potentially antagonizing blog to get that point across.
I think the point of this blog is to get bw fans to stop talking about how its so much better than anything else; trying to point out that whatever elitism we hold is really a product of some irrational emotional response.
Well, there are a lot of concrete things you can say about why BW is better than other games:
It requires more practice and skill to play well. It is an old game that hasn't gotten old because there are still amazing things to be done with it.
But that doesn't make someone love a game, just appreciate it a ton.
I think there's a particular ferocity of BW love because many of the people who have followed it for years did so in a very serious way. It's easier to be a casual SC2 fan than a casual BW fan because there's so many opportunities to watch and interact. SC2 is the pretty girl who's automatically endearing if you're a nerd. BW is kind of old and blocky, and she doesn't come out unless it's the middle of the night, so the people who stay up to see her absolutely adore her and are extremely dedicated fans. The type of fans who build stuff like TLPD just because it's cool, not with any ESPORTS intentions in mind. That's where the hardcore feelings you're talking about are coming from.
Besides that, though, is the unbelievable depth that the game contains. That on its own, even without watching or playing it, deserves an immense amount of appreciation, and is why BW pros receive the utmost respect, even from professionals of other games. The more you watch and see the fine details, the more that respect will turn into love. So it is and it isn't within BW itself. Part of it is the culture that has developed around it, but that culture is also predicated upon the smallest details of the game, so much so that it is studied more than any other ESPORT to date. I think if you put in some time to find those details, it's impossible not to fall in love.
My suggestion is to pick an awesome team like CJ, and not a shitty team like SKT, and follow them through a Proleague season. Watching 1 final, without knowing the players in advance, isn't quite the same.
On October 31 2011 16:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: There's this girl that you like. She's kinda cute but you don't know if you like her enough to "love" her or not. You spend some time and get to know her and before you know it you're in a 10 year relationship and have had some of the best times of your lives together.
Then some douchebag comes along and tells you she's ugly.
? I didn't say that. I said I came along, and you told me just how amazing she was, and how no other girl in the world is like her. And I talked to her a bit, and concluded that I don't feel the same way as you do about her, even though she's a really awesome person. I also concluded I probably also don't feel the same way because I don't have the same kind of experiences with her that you do that make you love her so much.
Do you do that in real life to people? If not why are you doing it here lol.
Not everyone likes the same things we don't need a poorly worded potentially antagonizing blog to get that point across.
I think the point of this blog is to get bw fans to stop talking about how its so much better than anything else; trying to point out that whatever elitism we hold is really a product of some irrational emotional response.
Well, there are a lot of concrete things you can say about why BW is better than other games:
It requires more practice and skill to play well. It is an old game that hasn't gotten old because there are still amazing things to be done with it.
But that doesn't make someone love a game, just appreciate it a ton.
I think there's a particular ferocity of BW love because many of the people who have followed it for years did so in a very serious way. It's easier to be a casual SC2 fan than a casual BW fan because there's so many opportunities to watch and interact. SC2 is the pretty girl who's automatically endearing if you're a nerd. BW is kind of old and blocky, and she doesn't come out unless it's the middle of the night, so the people who stay up to see her absolutely adore her and are extremely dedicated fans. The type of fans who build stuff like TLPD just because it's cool, not with any ESPORTS intentions in mind. That's where the hardcore feelings you're talking about are coming from.
Besides that, though, is the unbelievable depth that the game contains. That on its own, even without watching or playing it, deserves an immense amount of appreciation, and is why BW pros receive the utmost respect, even from professionals of other games. The more you watch and see the fine details, the more that respect will turn into love. So it is and it isn't within BW itself. Part of it is the culture that has developed around it, but that culture is also predicated upon the smallest details of the game, so much so that it is studied more than any other ESPORT to date. I think if you put in some time to find those details, it's impossible not to fall in love.
My suggestion is to pick an awesome team like CJ, and not a shitty team like SKT, and follow them through a Proleague season. Watching 1 final, without knowing the players in advance, isn't quite the same.
and she has a magic vagina
Supposedly it's not a magic vagina. Its just a regular old vagina but if you spend 10 years with it and you'll think its magic.
On October 31 2011 16:51 ]343[ wrote: I only got into BW many years after first playing WC2 (which I didn't really play for very long). When I was a "WC2 player," I snubbed Starcraft; it was just one of those bandwagon games.
Little did I know that 8 years later, I'd fall in love with that which I once disdained...
I like to play games, and some more than others. But I get bored pretty easily; I usually won't play a game for more than a few years. The exceptions? Tetris, BW, SSBM. I'm only good at one of those . Actually, I don't even play much BW anymore because it's too hard (lol), but I'm not sure I can imagine life without watching pro BW in the future.
So, I'm really confused by this blog.
If the magic isn't in the game of Brood War, where is it? Can any game, any sport, any activity draw you in unless there's the "magic spark"? If BW doesn't have it, what does?
Yes, there was luck. Yes, it was basically a fluke. But...
What is your "spark"? Is the "spark" present in the wildly popular, casual (yet vaguely challenging) games geared toward the masses--Tetris, Angry Birds, Bejeweled, Text Twist? Or is it in the crevices of more cranial activities like chess or Go? Is it in the creative sandbox of Minecraft, the massive community of WoW or EVE, the frame-perfect movements of SSBM or SF, the lightning precision of CS, the I'm-so-addicted-I-drop-out-of-school DotA or LoL?
Each of these games has its proponents, its fans, its addicts, its heroes. Many can be classified as "ESPORTS," whatever that is. Some of them even have the "spark."
But look at those games, and look back at BW. What "spark" do they have that BW lacks? Community? Creativity? The combination of mind and hand, the evolving metagame, the passion, the heroes, the villains?
And of course, I haven't even begun comparing BW to similar RTS games yet. Before SC2, which games came close--WC3? AoE2? Did these games have the "spark"? If not, what sets BW apart from them... why the crowds, the cheerfuls, the commentators (which I think many will admit are miles ahead of commentary for most games)?
Now SC2 may perhaps prove a worthy challenger, though it is by no stretch of the imagination another Brood War: it's a different game. Yet it can, may, and hopefully will be improved, and perhaps one day even I'll recognize the "spark" in it. There's potential. But for me right now, the only game with any sort of "spark" to speak of is still Brood War.
These are all halfway rhetorical questions; if you could provide an answer, that'd be even better. I guess I just don't understand.
Hm, please excuse me if this is not helping you understand. It's late and I reread your post quite a bit, but I am not sure if I am hitting everything of your ideas.
Why do you care about a game? Not just intellectually appreciating the community, creativity, the combination of mind and hand, the evolving metagame, the passion, the heroes, the villains-- but being passionate about the game in your heart.
People find many games fun, but they are not going to be passionate about all of them. I find SC2 very fun, and entertaining to watch-- and for me, it doesn't have that 'magic' about it. It may become magical to me over time, as I spend more time here, make more friends, go to more events, get better at the game: building it into my life. Maybe BW will become magical to me through putting more time into it.
My thought is that no one can be passionate about something in their heart simply from listing x, y, and z qualities that are better than anything else out there. Those qualities make more people attracted to the game and spend time with it, but experiences are what form that emotional passion about the game.
On October 31 2011 15:53 RedJustice wrote: These people don't understand the agony of seeing your team make it to the playoffs year and after year, and knowing they have the potential to reach the Super Bowl, and seeing them lose over and over.
ahahahahahahaha where are the CJ fans at?
LOL makes this entire thread worth it
THOUGH they did win winners league in an epic series
On October 31 2011 16:51 ]343[ wrote: I only got into BW many years after first playing WC2 (which I didn't really play for very long). When I was a "WC2 player," I snubbed Starcraft; it was just one of those bandwagon games.
Little did I know that 8 years later, I'd fall in love with that which I once disdained...
I like to play games, and some more than others. But I get bored pretty easily; I usually won't play a game for more than a few years. The exceptions? Tetris, BW, SSBM. I'm only good at one of those . Actually, I don't even play much BW anymore because it's too hard (lol), but I'm not sure I can imagine life without watching pro BW in the future.
So, I'm really confused by this blog.
If the magic isn't in the game of Brood War, where is it? Can any game, any sport, any activity draw you in unless there's the "magic spark"? If BW doesn't have it, what does?
Yes, there was luck. Yes, it was basically a fluke. But...
What is your "spark"? Is the "spark" present in the wildly popular, casual (yet vaguely challenging) games geared toward the masses--Tetris, Angry Birds, Bejeweled, Text Twist? Or is it in the crevices of more cranial activities like chess or Go? Is it in the creative sandbox of Minecraft, the massive community of WoW or EVE, the frame-perfect movements of SSBM or SF, the lightning precision of CS, the I'm-so-addicted-I-drop-out-of-school DotA or LoL?
Each of these games has its proponents, its fans, its addicts, its heroes. Many can be classified as "ESPORTS," whatever that is. Some of them even have the "spark."
But look at those games, and look back at BW. What "spark" do they have that BW lacks? Community? Creativity? The combination of mind and hand, the evolving metagame, the passion, the heroes, the villains?
And of course, I haven't even begun comparing BW to similar RTS games yet. Before SC2, which games came close--WC3? AoE2? Did these games have the "spark"? If not, what sets BW apart from them... why the crowds, the cheerfuls, the commentators (which I think many will admit are miles ahead of commentary for most games)?
Now SC2 may perhaps prove a worthy challenger, though it is by no stretch of the imagination another Brood War: it's a different game. Yet it can, may, and hopefully will be improved, and perhaps one day even I'll recognize the "spark" in it. There's potential. But for me right now, the only game with any sort of "spark" to speak of is still Brood War.
These are all halfway rhetorical questions; if you could provide an answer, that'd be even better. I guess I just don't understand.
Hm, please excuse me if this is not helping you understand. It's late and I reread your post quite a bit, but I am not sure if I am hitting everything of your ideas.
Why do you care about a game? Not just intellectually appreciating the community, creativity, the combination of mind and hand, the evolving metagame, the passion, the heroes, the villains-- but being passionate about the game in your heart.
People find many games fun, but they are not going to be passionate about all of them. I find SC2 very fun, and entertaining to watch-- and for me, it doesn't have that 'magic' about it. It may become magical to me over time, as I spend more time here, make more friends, go to more events, get better at the game: building it into my life. Maybe BW will become magical to me through putting more time into it.
My thought is that no one can be passionate about something in their heart simply from listing x, y, and z qualities that are better than anything else out there. Those qualities make more people attracted to the game and spend time with it, but experiences are what form that emotional passion about the game.
The bottom line is, SO WHAT? None of these insights are groundbreaking, everyone knows. why make a blog about it and potentially antagonizing a lot of people, which you've obviously done?
On October 31 2011 16:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: There's this girl that you like. She's kinda cute but you don't know if you like her enough to "love" her or not. You spend some time and get to know her and before you know it you're in a 10 year relationship and have had some of the best times of your lives together.
Then some douchebag comes along and tells you she's ugly.
? I didn't say that. I said I came along, and you told me just how amazing she was, and how no other girl in the world is like her. And I talked to her a bit, and concluded that I don't feel the same way as you do about her, even though she's a really awesome person. I also concluded I probably also don't feel the same way because I don't have the same kind of experiences with her that you do that make you love her so much.
Do you do that in real life to people? If not why are you doing it here lol.
Not everyone likes the same things we don't need a poorly worded potentially antagonizing blog to get that point across.
I think the point of this blog is to get bw fans to stop talking about how its so much better than anything else; trying to point out that whatever elitism we hold is really a product of some irrational emotional response.
Well, there are a lot of concrete things you can say about why BW is better than other games:
It requires more practice and skill to play well. It is an old game that hasn't gotten old because there are still amazing things to be done with it.
But that doesn't make someone love a game, just appreciate it a ton.
I think there's a particular ferocity of BW love because many of the people who have followed it for years did so in a very serious way. It's easier to be a casual SC2 fan than a casual BW fan because there's so many opportunities to watch and interact. SC2 is the pretty girl who's automatically endearing if you're a nerd. BW is kind of old and blocky, and she doesn't come out unless it's the middle of the night, so the people who stay up to see her absolutely adore her and are extremely dedicated fans. The type of fans who build stuff like TLPD just because it's cool, not with any ESPORTS intentions in mind. That's where the hardcore feelings you're talking about are coming from.
Besides that, though, is the unbelievable depth that the game contains. That on its own, even without watching or playing it, deserves an immense amount of appreciation, and is why BW pros receive the utmost respect, even from professionals of other games. The more you watch and see the fine details, the more that respect will turn into love. So it is and it isn't within BW itself. Part of it is the culture that has developed around it, but that culture is also predicated upon the smallest details of the game, so much so that it is studied more than any other ESPORT to date. I think if you put in some time to find those details, it's impossible not to fall in love.
My suggestion is to pick an awesome team like CJ, and not a shitty team like SKT, and follow them through a Proleague season. Watching 1 final, without knowing the players in advance, isn't quite the same.
On October 31 2011 15:53 RedJustice wrote: These people don't understand the agony of seeing your team make it to the playoffs year and after year, and knowing they have the potential to reach the Super Bowl, and seeing them lose over and over.
ahahahahahahaha where are the CJ fans at?
LOL makes this entire thread worth it
THOUGH they did win winners league in an epic series
On October 31 2011 16:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: There's this girl that you like. She's kinda cute but you don't know if you like her enough to "love" her or not. You spend some time and get to know her and before you know it you're in a 10 year relationship and have had some of the best times of your lives together.
Then some douchebag comes along and tells you she's ugly.
? I didn't say that. I said I came along, and you told me just how amazing she was, and how no other girl in the world is like her. And I talked to her a bit, and concluded that I don't feel the same way as you do about her, even though she's a really awesome person. I also concluded I probably also don't feel the same way because I don't have the same kind of experiences with her that you do that make you love her so much.
Do you do that in real life to people? If not why are you doing it here lol.
Not everyone likes the same things we don't need a poorly worded potentially antagonizing blog to get that point across.
I think the point of this blog is to get bw fans to stop talking about how its so much better than anything else; trying to point out that whatever elitism we hold is really a product of some irrational emotional response.
Well, there are a lot of concrete things you can say about why BW is better than other games:
It requires more practice and skill to play well. It is an old game that hasn't gotten old because there are still amazing things to be done with it.
But that doesn't make someone love a game, just appreciate it a ton.
I think there's a particular ferocity of BW love because many of the people who have followed it for years did so in a very serious way. It's easier to be a casual SC2 fan than a casual BW fan because there's so many opportunities to watch and interact. SC2 is the pretty girl who's automatically endearing if you're a nerd. BW is kind of old and blocky, and she doesn't come out unless it's the middle of the night, so the people who stay up to see her absolutely adore her and are extremely dedicated fans. The type of fans who build stuff like TLPD just because it's cool, not with any ESPORTS intentions in mind. That's where the hardcore feelings you're talking about are coming from.
Besides that, though, is the unbelievable depth that the game contains. That on its own, even without watching or playing it, deserves an immense amount of appreciation, and is why BW pros receive the utmost respect, even from professionals of other games. The more you watch and see the fine details, the more that respect will turn into love. So it is and it isn't within BW itself. Part of it is the culture that has developed around it, but that culture is also predicated upon the smallest details of the game, so much so that it is studied more than any other ESPORT to date. I think if you put in some time to find those details, it's impossible not to fall in love.
My suggestion is to pick an awesome team like CJ, and not a shitty team like SKT, and follow them through a Proleague season. Watching 1 final, without knowing the players in advance, isn't quite the same.
I disagree. Brood War is awesome because of the game itself, not anything else around it. If you got good at the game and learned a lot about it, you would see the beauty in the game. It's beautiful and brilliant, but you don't see that part unless you have a deep understanding of Brood War, which takes time to develop.
Well i am a late gen gamer. I had no idea about Bw and SNES games(that have been used here as examples) until late 2000s and guess what, they DO have the magic. It isnt because of nostalgia or long history that i like these games, its because theyre flat out incredible.
And also, look at the topics of old games here on TL: The BG2 topic for example. Tons of gamers discovering it, and sharing their experiences. And theyre all excited, because in the end thats what these games are, legends
EPT
. Actually, I don't even play much BW anymore because it's too hard (lol), but I'm not sure I can imagine life without watching pro BW in the future.
