EPTWithout that time, I can't have the same feelings for BW. I can admire it's strengths, and history, and impact. I can't have the same emotional connection.
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RedJustice
United States1004 Posts
Without that time, I can't have the same feelings for BW. I can admire it's strengths, and history, and impact. I can't have the same emotional connection. | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
On October 31 2011 16:06 RedJustice wrote: @Nazza and phosphorylation--I think you may not have fully understood my post. I am not talking about the required skill to play a game well, or how difficult a game may be, or how amazing it may be compared to other games. I am talking about something that makes people love a game more than any other game in the world. My argument is that it's not something in the game, it comes from people like you whose experiences over time lead you to that love of the game. whether i fully understood your post or not, i think being the best RTS ever created (which you don't seem to disagree on) may explain why people "love (bw) more than any other game in the world." what more can be asked from a computer game? btw, the first time i ever played bw was in late 2007, | ||
Smix
United States4549 Posts
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
On October 31 2011 16:17 Snipinpanda wrote: I don't understand why you get the idea that people think that BW is special simply because of emotional investment. I think BW is special because of the fact that when I play it, I have a lot of fun. This is because BW is an incredibly well-designed game, and one that I don't think can be matched by any RTS ever (I think BW's design has a heapload of luck involved). People should check out BW because of how well designed it is and because I think you'll have fun playing it. You know, the first time I watched pro BW was the July v Best OSL finals (gotta thank my friend for making me wake up at 5 AM). I didn't know what a golden mouse was or why July was supposed to get owned but that finals got me hooked, no prior emotional investment required. I had seen Daigo's crazy comeback, watched some professional dota matches but I was never hooked on watching a game enough to lose sleep over it. If you didn't get excited watching the last OSL finals then I don't know what to say. | ||
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Nazza
Australia1654 Posts
On October 31 2011 16:18 RedJustice wrote: @Nazza: I think nostalgia carries negative feelings I don't have with it. I really find my idea of loving another person is closest to how I think of it. You can't love someone who you don't spend time with, and have experiences with. As that person becomes more and more part of your life, they become more important to you. You care about them more than someone you just talk with in class, or at work. I don't think BW fan love BW because of the 'good old days'. I think most of them fell in love long ago and the experiences since then and today continue to make all of you love the game. Without that time, I can't have the same feelings for BW. I can admire it's strengths, and history, and impact. I can't have the same emotional connection. I only started playing BW after SC2 came out. And your analogy is flawed. Why would you spend time with that person in the first place if you didn't find something attractive about them? | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
On October 31 2011 15:53 RedJustice wrote: BW doesn't have that magic-- that special something that makes it more wonderful than any other game, or any other RTS, or w/e. It doesn't have that sparkle. On it's own, it is just an incredibly well-made RTS that got lucky in some ways, and stuck around long enough to develop beyond what we have seen in other games. It's challenging, it's fun, it's exciting to watch and play (and frustrating). TL wouldn't exist if this was true. Its not some weird oddity that the most passionate gaming community on the internet exists for "this one game that is like every other". You know why we have comprehensive resources that detail the entire history of our game, literally every single recorded match, and you can't find shit about WC3 history or how CS evolved or Daigo's career win-loss record? It's not an accident. | ||
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RedJustice
United States1004 Posts
On October 31 2011 16:20 Smix wrote: I didn't grow up with BW either - joined pretty late in the history of things but I still fell in love ;; That is awesome.  @all: I don't think you have to have been there from the beta to love BW or something. You make really like it the first time you see it but it takes a bit of time to really love something. Also, sometimes no matter how great someone is, you just don't have that attraction to them. Yes, I do think all of the concrete aspects of BW help in terms of the number of people who love it. @Jumperer: Sexism and general assholery is not welcome. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
WarCraft III is magical for for me and its expansion: The Frozen Throne, will forever have those aged laughs of nostalgia where I remember 3v3s with two Orcs and myself as undead. All those DotA games, etc. Those were good times and magical. Brood War is magical in a much different sense. Its atmosphere, ambiance and units are embody this sense of greatness. You can't know about it by simply looking into that great lake, dipping your feet in and assume everything based on how cold the water is. Dive in, swim to the bottom and resurface. Come back to Brood War and do it again. For the past several weeks, I've been watching and falling asleep to OSL/MSL games (thanks GTR) recommended by some staff and veteran players. I do bi-daily Big Game Hunters with Meapak and I try to beat the AI as Terran with Oov's 1-Factory Expansion. If you're not immersing yourself entirely, head to toe, into a game, you will never get a glimpse or experience a hint of what everyone is talking about Recently, I watched a game of PvP that didn't involve a combination of three units. I didn't see a game where after you overcome your opponent, you simply move forward and with your Goku's Spirit Bomb of units. I saw a PvP where it escalated: first zealots and dragoons playing footsie as the third base was taken, then moved on to Arbiters and so and so forth. The game shifted, it was difficult to call who was going to win and although I don't know a single build besides what I named above, I could see a tide of battles going on. I could see grow, escalate and expand. Now on 6 bases, there was both harassment going on and a major attack at the forefront. A wild spectacle of both difficult micromanagement and sturdy control and bewildering apm (presumably). You see this in almost all the match-ups, it's never truly game over until the very last 10 minutes (after like a 35-minute game). That's not to say SC2 doesn't have its charms, it's a lot easier to follow and it's a lot more clear in what's happening. They both have their beauties, but Brood War is already developed, its nooks and crannies have been dusted and all troves of goodies have been played and recorded for you to watch and enjoy. I'm still waiting for StarCraft II to build its foundation and expand both socially and game-wise, but for Brood War, there is something enigmatic and grand about it, something that makes it feel like its a war in each match rather than each match being a part of some arbitrary war that is hardly noted in the campaign. Keep going and trying, the first pair of Brood War shoes probably won't fit ya, but keep trying new pairs until you get it right. Brood War has the magic you might be misdirecting, you just need to rub that lamp more. *how many analogies did I use what I love the most about Brood War is knowing I suck and discovering the units, how to play them and work with other units. I like knowing that there is probably no chance I'll ever get remotely good because it demands more than I am capable of doing (seriously, macroing a Terran production facilities is fucking impossible), so there is no pressure for me to majorly improve but go at a pace I am comfortable with. P.S: I hope I didn't make any mistakes. That game I was talking about was about a week ago and I recall the PvT more than PvP. | ||
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ThatGuyDoMo
Australia516 Posts
No real point in trying to convince someone otherwise, it's a lot like telling somebody to like a food they don't actually like. Of course I still have to note... BroodWar... Is... Magic ALSO Most 'magical' feelings stem from a nostalgic feeling, I am like that with BW, Warcraft III (wow I loved that game, hope we get a WC4 sometime in the future ^.^) and Age Of Empires. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
Then some douchebag comes along and tells you she's ugly. | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
Once you get ignored by Rekrul... you're done. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
 surrounded by a damn great community and damn great entertainment, no magic about it. | ||
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LightRailCoyote
United States982 Posts
On October 31 2011 16:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: There's this girl that you like. She's kinda cute but you don't know if you like her enough to "love" her or not. You spend some time and get to know her and before you know it you're in a 10 year relationship and have had some of the best times of your lives together. Then some douchebag comes along and tells you she's ugly. You'll always be beautiful to me, She-I mean Brood War... | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On October 31 2011 16:11 RedJustice wrote: I think if you bothered to read the post you would find it is actually quite sympathetic to BW and the people who love it. -.- EDIT: @shindigs: That is exactly the whole point of everything I said. BW shaped your life, so it's magical and sparklez with everything wonderful and good about the world. If BW didn't shape my life, how can I experience that same magic? I can respect the game for what it's done, but it just can't have the same impact on me. Yes you are correct that our own personal emotional/time investments into the game, the overall popularity, and the fervent clamor of the scene does make it more special and magical in our hearts. That being true does not mean it's the only reason why SC is so awesome to us. Infact, it's at the very bottom of the list. You have to remember, before all of us became obsessed with SC, we were just your average nerd gamers playing all sorts of games like quake, age of empires, diablo, etc. There was no sparkly magical world of pro-gaming, there was no Team Liquid, there was no emotional investment. But we just kept playing and playing and playing. Why? The game is fucking good on all levels. And you could attempt to counter argue saying that Counterstrike or Warcraft3 hardcore players could be saying the exact same thing. But actually you can't. Why? With a few exceptions, almost every single person that I know that has played SC1 hardcore is an incredible person in one way or another. SC players are just a step above in intelligence from players of other games. SC players have lives and street smarts too. Hell, no one would even guess that most of us are gamer nerds at first glance. The demographic of people in the SC scene are many notches above the demographics of other games by a longshot in life(this is especially true for anyone that has played SC:BW on a high level). This isn't due to random variance, it's because the game is that "magical" to have captured the hearts of so many intelligent people. I can't count the amounts of retarded people I've met who like other games LOL. And just because you've played some BGH and watched some pro-games on TV doesn't mean you know anything about the game whatsoever. The very fact that you made this blog shows that you know absolutely nothing about Starcraft. | ||
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Snipinpanda
United States1227 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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RedJustice
United States1004 Posts
On October 31 2011 16:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: There's this girl that you like. She's kinda cute but you don't know if you like her enough to "love" her or not. You spend some time and get to know her and before you know it you're in a 10 year relationship and have had some of the best times of your lives together. Then some douchebag comes along and tells you she's ugly. ? I didn't say that. I said I came along, and you told me just how amazing she was, and how no other girl in the world is like her. And I talked to her a bit, and concluded that I don't feel the same way as you do about her, even though she's a really awesome person. I also concluded I probably also don't feel the same way because I don't have the same kind of experiences with her that you do that make you love her so much. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
On October 31 2011 16:31 RedJustice wrote: ? I didn't say that. I said I came along, and you told me just how amazing she was, and how no other girl in the world is like her. And I talked to her a bit, and concluded that I don't feel the same way as you do about her, even though she's a really awesome person. I also concluded I probably also don't feel the same way because I don't have the same kind of experiences with her that you do that make you love her so much. Do you do that in real life to people? If not why are you doing it here lol. Not everyone likes the same things we don't need a poorly worded potentially antagonizing blog to get that point across. | ||
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LightRailCoyote
United States982 Posts
On October 31 2011 16:31 RedJustice wrote: ? I didn't say that. I said I came along, and you told me just how amazing she was, and how no other girl in the world is like her. And I talked to her a bit, and concluded that I don't feel the same way as you do about her, even though she's a really awesome person. I also concluded I probably also don't feel the same way because I don't have the same kind of experiences with her that you do that make you love her so much. But you had to go on a long spiel in an attempt to convince us that our love isn't truly special? Did you think that would work? | ||
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