EPTOn October 31 2011 16:33 Torte de Lini wrote:
lol, you're making Rekrul try harder than me :B
lol, you're making Rekrul try harder than me :B
You've never seen me try at anything
BW Magic-- It's not in the game. - Page 3
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
You've never seen me try at anything | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
There are WC3 fans who probably genuinely believe that game was better than BW (ridiculous I know!) because for whatever reason, that's the community they gravitated towards. I genuinely believe that BW is the best RTS, and best E-sports spectator sport in general but in the end I guess it does come down to personal opinion. There's really no objective way to measure these things. We can insist all we want that BW is the greatest, but if someone has different tastes (they might really like see a couple of heroes walking around bashing neutral creeps instead of epic spread out armies clashing  ) then there's really nothing you can say to them. In the end you're right I supppose- liking BW is as subjective as liking anything else. The only thing we can say for sure is that BW definitely had the most developed progaming culture for it's time (until Sc2 came out). | ||
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
On October 31 2011 16:33 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Do you do that in real life to people? If not why are you doing it here lol. Not everyone likes the same things we don't need a poorly worded potentially antagonizing blog to get that point across. I think the point of this blog is to get bw fans to stop talking about how its so much better than anything else; trying to point out that whatever elitism we hold is really a product of some irrational emotional response. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
Feel free to try again if you want. | ||
Kiett
United States7639 Posts
On October 31 2011 16:31 RedJustice wrote: ? I didn't say that. I said I came along, and you told me just how amazing she was, and how no other girl in the world is like her. And I talked to her a bit, and concluded that I don't feel the same way as you do about her, even though she's a really awesome person. I also concluded I probably also don't feel the same way because I don't have the same kind of experiences with her that you do that make you love her so much. No. What you said was that there wasn't anything inherently special about her that made her better than any other girl, and that the only reason why anyone would love her is because they've known her for 10 years. Whether or not it's true, you don't tell a guy that his girlfriend is "nothing special." | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Hm, to interpret sexually. Intimidatingly. Intimately All of the above??????// I'll watch you try at BW, no prob! | ||
HawaiianPig
Canada5155 Posts
On October 31 2011 16:23 heyoka wrote: TL wouldn't exist if this was true. Its not some weird oddity that the most passionate gaming community on the internet exists for "this one game that is like every other". You know why we have comprehensive resources that detail the entire history of our game, literally every single recorded match, and you can't find shit about WC3 history or how CS evolved or Daigo's career win-loss record? It's not an accident. This couldn't be more on point and well put. | ||
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RedJustice
United States1004 Posts
On October 31 2011 16:37 ZeaL. wrote: I think the point of this blog is to get bw fans to stop talking about how its so much better than anything else; trying to point out that whatever elitism we hold is really a product of some irrational emotional response. Well, there are a lot of concrete things you can say about why BW is better than other games: It requires more practice and skill to play well. It is an old game that hasn't gotten old because there are still amazing things to be done with it. It has revolutionized esports and started a culture of gaming with community like this. It is wildly successful in viewers and money. But that doesn't make someone love a game, just appreciate it a ton. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On October 31 2011 16:20 Smix wrote: I didn't grow up with BW either - joined pretty late in the history of things but I still fell in love ;; ;; = 'with Flash.' if anyone was wondering what that meant. | ||
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
EDIT: Since people seem to not be picking up on this... my point is that whatever makes a game more wonderful to you that every other game in the world is never inherent in the game. This is so wrong I dont even know where to begin. You are pretty much saying every competitive scene is made up of nostalgia? WTF? Why are we not seeing a competitive Duke Nukem Forever clan league then? | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
On October 31 2011 16:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: There's this girl that you like. She's kinda cute but you don't know if you like her enough to "love" her or not. You spend some time and get to know her and before you know it you're in a 10 year relationship and have had some of the best times of your lives together. Then some douchebag comes along and tells you she's ugly. Keep in mind all of the above started cause your friend that lives across the US set you up with her on facebook. | ||
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HawaiianPig
Canada5155 Posts
On October 31 2011 15:53 RedJustice wrote: These people don't understand the agony of seeing your team make it to the playoffs year and after year, and knowing they have the potential to reach the Super Bowl, and seeing them lose over and over. ahahahahahahaha where are the CJ fans at? | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On October 31 2011 16:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: There's this girl that you like. She's kinda cute but you don't know if you like her enough to "love" her or not. You spend some time and get to know her and before you know it you're in a 10 year relationship and have had some of the best times of your lives together. Then some douchebag comes along and tells you she's ugly. This quote is actually backing up the OP's 'point' if you think about it. LOL. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On October 31 2011 16:40 RedJustice wrote: Well, there are a lot of concrete things you can say about why BW is better than other games: It requires more practice and skill to play well. It is an old game that hasn't gotten old because there are still amazing things to be done with it. It has revolutionized esports and started a culture of gaming with community like this. It is wildly successful in viewers and money. But that doesn't make someone love a game, just appreciate it a ton. Wtf? Why not? It's amazing to watch BW games because it's BW, and BW is a better game than it has ever been right now. There was no golden age of BW, it's only improved as the gameplay improved. | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On October 31 2011 16:44 SagaZ wrote: Keep in mind all of the above started cause your friend that lives across the US set you up with her on facebook. exactly, that's a big part of the magic, it's like your relationship with this girl is truly miraculous and fantastic i think if one of my friends worked hard to set me up with a great girl, i'd be all the more appreciative | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On October 31 2011 16:44 HawaiianPig wrote: ahahahahahahaha where are the CJ fans at? I was casually reading through this thread until I get to the 3rd page then WHAM suckerpunch. Damn you Hpig. | ||
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]343[
United States10328 Posts
Little did I know that 8 years later, I'd fall in love with that which I once disdained... I like to play games, and some more than others. But I get bored pretty easily; I usually won't play a game for more than a few years. The exceptions? Tetris, BW, SSBM. I'm only good at one of those  . Actually, I don't even play much BW anymore because it's too hard (lol), but I'm not sure I can imagine life without watching pro BW in the future.So, I'm really confused by this blog. If the magic isn't in the game of Brood War, where is it? Can any game, any sport, any activity draw you in unless there's the "magic spark"? If BW doesn't have it, what does? Yes, there was luck. Yes, it was basically a fluke. But... What is your "magic"? Is the "magic" present in the wildly popular, casual (yet vaguely challenging) games geared toward the masses--Tetris, Angry Birds, Bejeweled, Text Twist? Or is it in the crevices of more cranial activities like chess or Go? Is it in the creative sandbox of Minecraft, the massive community of WoW or EVE, the frame-perfect movements of SSBM or SF, the lightning precision of CS, the I'm-so-addicted-I-drop-out-of-school DotA or LoL? Each of these games has its proponents, its fans, its addicts, its heroes. Many can be classified as "ESPORTS," whatever that is. Some of them even have the "magic." But look at those games, and look back at BW. What "magic" do they have that BW lacks? Community? Creativity? The combination of mind and hand, the evolving metagame, the passion, the heroes, the villains? And of course, I haven't even begun comparing BW to similar RTS games yet. Before SC2, which games came close--WC3? AoE2? Did these games have the "spark"? If not, what sets BW apart from them... why the crowds, the cheerfuls, the commentators (which I think many will admit are miles ahead of commentary for most games)? Now SC2 may perhaps prove a worthy challenger, though it is by no stretch of the imagination another Brood War: it's a different game. Yet it can, may, and hopefully will be improved, and perhaps one day even I'll recognize the "magic" in it. There's potential. But for me right now, the only game with any sort of "magic" to speak of is still Brood War. These are all halfway rhetorical questions; if you could provide an answer, that'd be even better. I guess I just don't understand. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
On October 31 2011 16:50 p4NDemik wrote: I was casually reading through this thread until I get to the 3rd page then WHAM suckerpunch. Damn you Hpig. STX ;_; | ||
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
EDIT: Since people seem to not be picking up on this... my point is that whatever makes a game more wonderful to you that every other game in the world is never inherent in the game. A game can be admirable for what it does well on paper, but "the magic" is the emotional connection people develop to a game when it becomes part of their lives over time. Any game can have "the magic", it just depends on an individual's experiences with it. Okay, but isn't everything like that then, game or not? I mean, taking care of a lawn is pretty mundane for most people but if you slaved extra hard to get it weed-free and looking pretty and spent 2 years turning it into the thickest greenest turf around wouldn't you love it? I think its pretty self-evident that if you spend a long time with something you will have more of an attachment to it. | ||
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