EPTForeigners' success - Page 2
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mahi29
United States235 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
If you've watched other korean tournaments you'll realize that even code B players can take series off code A/S players right now pretty convincingly. The player pool is really big, but I'm not surprised that there are some foreigners that can win tournaments by now. Still, foreign terrans are so so so so far behind it's not even funny. At least in terms of protoss or zergs there's only like 5 players that are ahead if that, but when it comes to terrans there's like 20 terrans ahead of thorzain and select. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On October 17 2011 16:18 mahi29 wrote: Since HuK joined EG, has he still been training in Korea or has he come stateside to the EG House? I believe he is still in oGs house for time being. Correct me if I am wrong, though. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On October 17 2011 16:31 Itsmedudeman wrote: I still see only maybe like 5 foreigners who can hang with the koreans while everyone else is ridiculously far behind. People talk about naniwa being good and training in korea, but he just lost 2 ro32s in a row in code A against pretty easy opponents and has shown NO sign of progress in my eyes since then. If you've watched other korean tournaments you'll realize that even code B players can take series off code A/S players right now pretty convincingly. The player pool is really big, but I'm not surprised that there are some foreigners that can win tournaments by now. Still, foreign terrans are so so so so far behind it's not even funny. At least in terms of protoss or zergs there's only like 5 players that are ahead if that, but when it comes to terrans there's like 20 terrans ahead of thorzain and select. I think there are more then 5 foreigners who can hang with the koreans but I do agree with you that foreigner terrans are very far behind korean terrans I can agree with that one a lot  . | ||
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DisaFear
Australia4074 Posts
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
And then Idra finally decided to make Broodlords and win when he could have done it a long time ago. The fact is that the gap between Koreans and foreigners is still massive, and will continue to get larger because naturally the Korean practice routine is infinitely better than whatever foreigners can churn out. The fact that the two best foreigners in the tournament, Huk and Idra were both trained in Korea at one point for this, proves it. | ||
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Marradron
Netherlands1586 Posts
On October 17 2011 21:43 Zergneedsfood wrote: Idra's series against Bomber wasn't spectacular. Idra won because Bomber decided that he felt like being MarineKing and just made nothing but marines for the first thirty minutes of the game. And then Idra finally decided to make Broodlords and win when he could have done it a long time ago. The fact is that the gap between Koreans and foreigners is still massive, and will continue to get larger because naturally the Korean practice routine is infinitely better than whatever foreigners can churn out. The fact that the two best foreigners in the tournament, Huk and Idra were both trained in Korea at one point for this, proves it. You really have no clue about how this game works ? You cant magicly get tech. There was a very good reason why both of them did their build how they did it. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On October 17 2011 22:12 Marradron wrote: You really have no clue about how this game works ? You cant magicly get tech. There was a very good reason why both of them did their build how they did it. Magically tech? Of course they could. Bomber threw a bunch of marines and failed his first attack and decided to continue it despite knowing Idra had banelings. Oh, and Bomber floated 2k gas. It is REALLY easy to cut four marines (he was making what? 16 marines?) to make one factory and start teching. It's not that hard. Idra could have easily slow teched to hive rather than risking losses if Bomber played better rather than staying on aggressive lair tech for so long. He was clearly easily holding Bomber's marine shenanigans. Despite whatever the commentator's said, Idra was fine. Both players didn't play well, with Bomber just playing plain silly. And if you have a good reason, go ahead and say it. I'll listen, but until then I'm still in the camp that says that if Bomber had merely pulled a few SCVs in his first attack, no one would be talking about Idra in the round of 4. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10784 Posts
Earlyer BL's or/and Infestors would have ended this earlyer? As would have Bomber not wasting millions of untis by just running against banelings time and time again... | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
HuK got a 4 Protoss, 1 Zerg group with Julyzerg not being amazing in ZvP. Huk always had really good PvP and could take #1 in his group due to that. IdrA's run even though he 'only' placed 4th was in my opinion more promising or extraordinary as he beat Bomber and showed good games nearly the whole tournament long. Once again its great success for foreign players and very well deserved but I think in a different bracket things could have gone very different. MarineKing got his worst (TvP) matchup and dropped out. JulyZerg dropped out vs HongUn, because he's not vey good vs Protoss.. but against Terran he would have had a very good shot etc. Not saying all foreigners got lucky, as Stephano, SaSe etc all where in the same bracket, but all I'm saying is: don't judge based on 1 tournament. Everyone knows the Koreans are not WORLDS above the foreigners like in broodwar - but they are still ahead. | ||
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