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Blazinghand
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On June 24 2011 07:40 arb wrote:pretty much this I don't understand why people get so butt frustrated because someone doesnt gg to them, then they have the audacity to message them after the game and harass them i mean seriously?
 I don't mean to be mean. I also chat with people who beat me, am I only allowed to chat with players who beat me?
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Blazinghand
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On June 24 2011 08:04 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 07:44 Blazinghand wrote:On June 24 2011 07:40 arb wrote:On June 24 2011 06:01 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
Get over yourself pretty much this I don't understand why people get so butt frustrated because someone doesnt gg to them, then they have the audacity to message them after the game and harass them i mean seriously? I don't mean to be mean. I also chat with people who beat me, am I only allowed to chat with players who beat me? It might not be your intention to annoy them, but that's how it's perceived as. Try to understand how other people may think. The world doesn't think the same way as you. Many people can be offended if a winner chats them up; especially when the winner says "well played" when they just lost. They probably thought they played a terrible game and just want to move on to the next game.
I don't just say "gg wp" though, I let them know that I personally think they're a good player, and I invite them to practice in the future with me! I'm not just being like "HAY MAN IM GONNA RUB THIS IN YOUR FACE" cause that woudl be a dick move. I don't want my only interaction with this guy to be him beating me or me beating him, when we could go on to become practice partners or something. And I do this regardless of whether they won or lost. Am I supposed to not be a friendly person just because other people are in a bad mood? When I play a game of soccer, I shake the hand of everyone on the other team and let them know it was a good game whether I won or lost. Is starcraft 2 somehow less honorable than soccer?
And against people who beat me and are beaten by me, many respond and I play games with them later and we have lots of fun! So I don't see what the problem is. If someone's in a bad mood, they have to read 2 sentences of me telling them they're a good player and that I'd like to practice with them at some point in the future. Is that really so terrible? In fact, maybe, just maybe, it'll cheer them up and they'll rediscover the value of love, friendship, and humanity!
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Lol, I love this thread, its like the replies are testing if his manner can hold up to pressure or not.
Out of curiosity is that the real chat channel you use? I might stop by.
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On June 24 2011 08:15 TheFrankOne wrote:
Lol, I love this thread, its like the replies are testing if his manner can hold up to pressure or not.
Out of curiosity is that the real chat channel you use? I might stop by.
honestly he just sounds like a nobody whos full of himself and wants to pretend ppl in this community care about him. Trash talking someone because they dont GG you? What the fuck lol
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Blazinghand
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On June 24 2011 08:41 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 08:15 TheFrankOne wrote:
Lol, I love this thread, its like the replies are testing if his manner can hold up to pressure or not.
Out of curiosity is that the real chat channel you use? I might stop by. honestly he just sounds like a nobody whos full of himself and wants to pretend ppl in this community care about him. Trash talking someone because they dont GG you? What the fuck lol
sorry
I didn't mean to offend. I also talk to people who DO GG me, as well as people who I GG, for what it's worth. It just doesn't seem that unusual to me to communicate with my opponents after a match. It's most difficult with people who are mad, though, and I think that it's pretty unusual for angry people to meet friendly people on b.net, since if they did meet a lot of friendly people on b.net they wouldn't be angry, right?
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Blazinghand
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On June 24 2011 08:47 krndandaman wrote:
Idk about you, but if someone tells me I'm a "good player" after beating me it almost sounds sarcastic. "Yeah, you call me a good player but I just lost to you so that means you're an even better player, right?" That's what goes through many people's heads.
I can see how that would be the case. But I don't just leave it there; I don't want to be like "hey man, you're not bad FOR A DUDE I JUST BEAT" cause that would be a dick move!
Sometimes, if he seems particularly upset, I'll note "oh, you just lost to an unlucky timing attack, which happens" and sometimes i'll add that "close spawns on metalopolis is really terrible I wish blizzard used MLG metalopolis instead, cause close spawns is broken." If a dude is particularly upset, it's usually not directed at me, but at game/map balance. I try to empathize and help people out.
On June 24 2011 08:47 krndandaman wrote:
I can understand you wanting to get to know people and not just do mindless laddering but not alot of people share the same sentiments as you. When I used to play SC:BW casually I just wanted to play games and get off. I had no one on my buddy list except RL friends and didn't want to make any online friends. It's just personal preference.
And I don't get where honor comes in in soccer and starcraft 2...
Also I think this is the problem. Why do you assume people who don't think the same way you do about making friends on an online game don't know the value of love, friendship, and humanity? I know you don't mean it literally, but come on
I mean, if a dude doesn't want to practice with me, that's totally chill. This is like 90% of dudes. But the thing is, I can't find this out without asking him, now can I? And it's super easy to approach dudes who have good manner, or dudes who beat me (even if they are bm about it), since these guys usually want to talk. But just because a guy is in a bad mood and bms a little doesn't mean he's not gonna be a good practice buddy! In fact, maybe he's looking for a practice buddy and that's why he's in a bad mood! So I blogged about the hard situation, not the easy one 
I don't want to rule out a potential buddy just because he's having a bad day that would be unfair
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We are mothers and fathers. And sons and daughters. Who every day go about our lives with duty, honor and pride. And neither snow, nor rain, nor heat, nor gloom of night, nor the winds of change, nor a nation challenged, will stay us from the swift completion of our appointed rounds. Ever.
It's a hard life, but we have our creed.
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On June 24 2011 08:45 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 08:41 TheSubtleArt wrote:On June 24 2011 08:15 TheFrankOne wrote:
Lol, I love this thread, its like the replies are testing if his manner can hold up to pressure or not.
Out of curiosity is that the real chat channel you use? I might stop by. honestly he just sounds like a nobody whos full of himself and wants to pretend ppl in this community care about him. Trash talking someone because they dont GG you? What the fuck lol sorry I didn't mean to offend. I also talk to people who DO GG me, as well as people who I GG, for what it's worth. It just doesn't seem that unusual to me to communicate with my opponents after a match. It's most difficult with people who are mad, though, and I think that it's pretty unusual for angry people to meet friendly people on b.net, since if they did meet a lot of friendly people on b.net they wouldn't be angry, right?
You're just catching someone right as they're angry, dont even pretend thats good mannered. If some1 is annoyed enough to BM you or rage quit the last thing they want is some cheesy Terran to give them empty, meaningless praise like "you are one of the best players i have played". It's like trying to interview a player directly after they lose a game...of course they're going to be mad at that moment and probably say something stupid.
Just understand that 1) people probably don't want you to talk to them after you cheese them and they get annoyed 2) you should get over yourself and stop assuming your conversation with random people has any value or will make them friendly or quell their rage or w/e.
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Blazinghand
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On June 24 2011 09:10 TheSubtleArt wrote:You're just catching someone right as they're angry, dont even pretend thats good mannered. If some1 is annoyed enough to BM you or rage quit the last thing they want is some cheesy Terran to give them empty, meaningless praise like "you are one of the best players i have played". It's like trying to interview a player directly after they lose a game...of course they're going to be mad at that moment and probably say something stupid.
Well... I don't say they're one of the best players I have played unless they're one of the best players I have played. I do tell them that they're skilled, though, and this is always the case-- I'm usually matched against people of very similar talent to me on ladder and the battles could go either way. I try to be as sincere as possible in my compliments.
On June 24 2011 09:10 TheSubtleArt wrote:Just understand that 1) people probably don't want you to talk to them after you cheese them and they get annoyed 2) you should get over yourself and stop assuming your conversation with random people has any value or will make them friendly or quell their rage or w/e.
Many times, it doesn't; sometimes I get ignored, sometimes I get active blocked. Sometimes it even makes them madder ((
BUT sometimes, they chillax, realize that we're both cool dudes who should chill, and we play some practice games later. I don't deign to assume that everyone wants to practice with me; but some people will, if I ask, and I don't want to miss out on an opportunity to make a new friend. Even if 9 / 10 people are mad and don't want to hear me and don't respond, 1 / 10 become a new buddy! and that's totally worth it for both of us :D. And even the dudes who don't respond may be glad to know that there are nice people out on the internet
I don't see any reason not to spread good cheer to all who I encounter <3 and it's totally worth it to talk to some strangers on the internet and make a friend or two.
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On June 24 2011 07:40 arb wrote:pretty much this I don't understand why people get so butt frustrated because someone doesnt gg to them, then they have the audacity to message them after the game and harass them i mean seriously? I don't think it is that different from BM though - all just people negatively reacting to others' actions.
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Blazinghand
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On June 24 2011 09:36 domane wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 07:40 arb wrote:On June 24 2011 06:01 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
Get over yourself pretty much this I don't understand why people get so butt frustrated because someone doesnt gg to them, then they have the audacity to message them after the game and harass them i mean seriously? I don't think it is that different from BM though - all just people negatively reacting to others' actions.
Yes, this is it exactly! The point is to reverse the downward spiral of negativity and put some positive emotions in there consider it "GM"ing someone (for good "mannering" them)
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EDIT: I take it back. I honestly agree more than disagree, ultimately.
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On June 24 2011 09:40 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 09:36 domane wrote:On June 24 2011 07:40 arb wrote:On June 24 2011 06:01 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
Get over yourself pretty much this I don't understand why people get so butt frustrated because someone doesnt gg to them, then they have the audacity to message them after the game and harass them i mean seriously? I don't think it is that different from BM though - all just people negatively reacting to others' actions. Yes, this is it exactly! The point is to reverse the downward spiral of negativity and put some positive emotions in there consider it "GM"ing someone (for good "mannering" them)
Whether you realize it or not, messaging some1 after u cheese them and they "rage quit" is obnoxious and a majority of people would prefer you piss off.
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Blazinghand
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On June 24 2011 09:48 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 09:40 Blazinghand wrote:On June 24 2011 09:36 domane wrote:On June 24 2011 07:40 arb wrote:On June 24 2011 06:01 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
Get over yourself pretty much this I don't understand why people get so butt frustrated because someone doesnt gg to them, then they have the audacity to message them after the game and harass them i mean seriously? I don't think it is that different from BM though - all just people negatively reacting to others' actions. Yes, this is it exactly! The point is to reverse the downward spiral of negativity and put some positive emotions in there consider it "GM"ing someone (for good "mannering" them) Whether you realize it or not, messaging some1 after u cheese them and they "rage quit" is obnoxious and a majority of people would prefer you piss off.
I could see how this might be upsetting to some people. However, would you consider it to be appropriate to message someone if I lost to them, or won against them without cheesing? How is it fundamentally differently appropriate if I used a different tactic in a game when pursuing a possible friendship with a person? After all, this would be one game among many, and my goal is spreading cheer.
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On June 24 2011 10:24 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 09:48 TheSubtleArt wrote:On June 24 2011 09:40 Blazinghand wrote:On June 24 2011 09:36 domane wrote:On June 24 2011 07:40 arb wrote:On June 24 2011 06:01 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
Get over yourself pretty much this I don't understand why people get so butt frustrated because someone doesnt gg to them, then they have the audacity to message them after the game and harass them i mean seriously? I don't think it is that different from BM though - all just people negatively reacting to others' actions. Yes, this is it exactly! The point is to reverse the downward spiral of negativity and put some positive emotions in there consider it "GM"ing someone (for good "mannering" them) Whether you realize it or not, messaging some1 after u cheese them and they "rage quit" is obnoxious and a majority of people would prefer you piss off. I could see how this might be upsetting to some people. However, would you consider it to be appropriate to message someone if I lost to them, or won against them without cheesing? How is it fundamentally differently appropriate if I used a different tactic in a game when pursuing a possible friendship with a person? After all, this would be one game among many, and my goal is spreading cheer.
From what it sounds all you do is just cheese them, then say "Hay man we should be practice buddies!!!'
Honestly, i dont know what youre trying to prove besides the fact that youre another cheesy Terran who messages someone after a game you've
A) Cheesed and failed
B) Cheesed and won
B1) They GG'd
B2)They left
and rubbing a win in by pretending you actually give a shit and wanna play practice games with them.
More or less your entire post and every post you made in this thread screams to me youre full of yourself and overall just another internet douchebag, pretending to be on some good manner crusade.
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Blazinghand
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On June 24 2011 10:30 arb wrote:
From what it sounds all you do is just cheese them, then say "Hay man we should be practice buddies!!!'
Honestly, i dont know what youre trying to prove besides the fact that youre another cheesy Terran who messages someone after a game you've
A) Cheesed and failed
B) Cheesed and won
B1) They GG'd
B2)They left
and rubbing a win in by pretending you actually give a shit and wanna play practice games with them.
More or less your entire post and every post you made in this thread screams to me youre full of yourself and overall just another internet douchebag, pretending to be on some good manner crusade.
First off, I'd just like to say that you have written an excellent post, and judging by your post count, you're clearly an excellent poster. I've gotten a fair amount of negativity in response to what i thought was a fairly benign blog post, and having veterans criticize me has brought me to reevaluate the way I've written/done things.
Having thought about the way I phrased the OP, that's a reasonable interpretation of what I've said. I think now I know what the problem is: I've represented myself poorly. I have a sentence or two at the beginning of a long blog post about how I occasionally use allins and 1 base attacks in my play, and I feel no qualms about doing so. I would like to note that this is by no means the only way that I play, nor do said allins make up the majority of my play.
It just so happens that I message most of my opponents after games looking for practice partners. Sometimes, I succeed. I have the most difficulty after games in which my opponents are upset after playing. As it were, some of these games are games in which I did a very early cheese attack or a 1 base all-in. I thought I'd make a blog post about how I try to help improve people's attitudes in Starcraft 2, and the strategies I have found most effective for getting to know people after games in which they are upset. Sorry if there was any confusion about the motivations behind my blog post
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Your view of being good manner is screwed up entirely... You can mask it by trying to seem polite, but you ultimately come off as a smart ass. And I see no point in recruiting practice partners...I bet you just cheese/allin when you "practice" with them.
Ya that's the last thing everyone wants. Lose a game to cheese, then asked to practice with that same person. I can't believe people don't jump all over that offer.
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