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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 01:44:56
June 23 2011 20:54 GMT
#1
EDIT: Please read this addendum before reading the blog post, which I have left intact in its entirety below.

Blazinghand wrote:
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On June 24 2011 10:30 arb wrote:
From what it sounds all you do is just cheese them, then say "Hay man we should be practice buddies!!!'

Honestly, i dont know what youre trying to prove besides the fact that youre another cheesy Terran who messages someone after a game you've
A) Cheesed and failed
B) Cheesed and won
B1) They GG'd
B2)They left

and rubbing a win in by pretending you actually give a shit and wanna play practice games with them.

More or less your entire post and every post you made in this thread screams to me youre full of yourself and overall just another internet douchebag, pretending to be on some good manner crusade.


First off, I'd just like to say that you have written an excellent post, and judging by your post count, you're clearly an excellent poster. I've gotten a fair amount of negativity in response to what i thought was a fairly benign blog post, and having veterans criticize me has brought me to reevaluate the way I've written/done things.

Having thought about the way I phrased the OP, that's a reasonable interpretation of what I've said. I think now I know what the problem is: I've represented myself poorly. I have a sentence or two at the beginning of a long blog post about how I occasionally use allins and 1 base attacks in my play, and I feel no qualms about doing so. I would like to note that this is by no means the only way that I play, nor do said allins make up the majority of my play.

It just so happens that I message most of my opponents after games looking for practice partners. Sometimes, I succeed. I have the most difficulty after games in which my opponents are upset after playing. As it were, some of these games are games in which I did a very early cheese attack or a 1 base all-in. I thought I'd make a blog post about how I try to help improve people's attitudes in Starcraft 2, and the strategies I have found most effective for getting to know people after games in which they are upset. Sorry if there was any confusion about the motivations behind my blog post





Dealing with Bad Manner

Maybe you've met me on the ladder. Maybe we played. And maybe, JUST MAYBE, you BMed me at the end of the game. My style of play certainly warrants it, at times: I pull no punches, especially in TvZ; if you hatch first in close pos metalopolis, I will allin with 3 Marines and 10 SCVs. If you only make 2 or 3 queens, I will thordrop / banshee harass and allin you off of 1 base. I'll do what it takes to win. But that is where my no-holds-barred attitude stops.

I will never BM you. Even when I lose my scvs to superior drone micro, and you crush me and say "lawl noob terran only allins", or even when I successfully allin or harass you and you quit saying "omg terran can do an infinite number of allins on one base" or even if we play a straight up macro game and my MMMVG is overwhelmed by your wacky protoss antics, I will never end a game without typing "gg wp" (if I'm angry I might just type a curt "gg"). Somehow, somewhere I find it in me to always be good mannered.

I imagine this is not uncommon, either-- not everyone rages, and many people have excellent manner. Starcraft 2 has more in common with, say, fencing, or chess, than it does with pro wrestling. It's a gentleman's duel, and both sides fight with grit and respect. The other player is not your enemy, but rather, your adversary. He may be your opponent for the day, but you share a bond of being a Starcraft 2 player, a competitor in the greatest of great e-sports, even at the low level you play at. The good-mannered, quiet players vastly outnumber the ragers and bad-mannered people.

Where I differ is how I respond to those with bad manner. Should you leave without a "gg", should you angrily cry OP, that will not stop me. I will chat you after the game and I will QUELL YOUR RAGE. It's not enough to silently watch as my opponent ragequits our game. I cannot let that slide so easily. Indeed, as I open the "chat" button after the game, my stream viewers no doubt think I'm getting geared up to rub the salt in your wounds. "Nice queen micro", I would say, or "if I'm so bad how did I beat you" could be another triumphant, prideful response.

I can only imagine the surprise that you and my viewers feel as I send my first messages: "gg wp", I will begin, "you're clearly an excellent player. perhaps one of the best I've played in a long while." And you will respond angrily, hurt, not wanting to be kind, for fear of opening up, of showing your humanity to only be stung, and hurt again-- to open your doors to the praise to only find stinging insults that could follow this well-mannered opening phrase from me. But where there is fear, I shall replace it with calmness, with happiness. I will not betray you. I will not hestitate from my duty, the good-mannered player's burden. Even in your hesitant anger, I can sense the poor, hurt human within you, trying to break free from the Troll exterior.

"I enjoyed playing with you-- I was wondering, would you be up for some practice games in the future?" I send, again reaching out across the grim darkness of the internet to bring warmth to a cold, bitter soul. Another pause. Maybe you respond thankfully, the cold hard shield around your heart melted away by a human response in a foreign, digital land. Maybe you don't respond at all, or, still fearing for your own emotional state, continue to BM me. I will not falter. "I'm part of a practice group that hangs out in chat channel PEJ... I guess you're in a game because you're not responding. Feel free to drop by any time! We're always looking for more zerg players."

And sometimes, finally, you respond, forsaking the usual b.net aloofness you bear against the uncaring anonymous masses of battle.net. You say you'll drop by, or thank me, or even reply with a "gg", and if nothing else, even in silence, you will let yourself be touched by a stranger's kindness, if only for a moment. Maybe you'll play better in your next game, or maybe you'll just have better manner with your next opponent. Maybe all that will happen is that you'll feel a bit better about yourself, and about life. All that matters, though, is that for a moment we stopped being enemies and instead became fellow men, respected rivals, humans who could rise above the void of the electronic interface and find hope.

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When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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SpearWrit
Profile Joined February 2011
United States300 Posts
June 23 2011 20:58 GMT
#2
5'd because it's Blazinghand.

Good read. Now get on that game of Civ. (Just kidding.)
"Special Tactics is...make surprise for your enemy, and also...eh, still work." -White-Ra
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
June 23 2011 20:58 GMT
#3
Heh, alright, I'll get on it tonight
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
June 23 2011 21:01 GMT
#4
Get over yourself
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
June 23 2011 21:02 GMT
#5
GG wp zapdos; you're clearly an excellent player poster. perhaps one of the best I've played read in a long while.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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deathly rat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom911 Posts
June 23 2011 21:20 GMT
#6
You are being an ass if you chat to someone who leaves without a gg after you all-in them. You might enjoy it but don't kid yourself that your motivations are anything but selfish. It's borderline harrasment.

It's not obligatory to gg someone before you leave a game.

I'd also like to say that playing starcraft with the intention of winning at all costs is stupid. The only thing 99% of people gain from playing SC2 is the enjoyment that comes from playing the game. SC2 can be a complex and beautiful game, but it isn't when you're always facing terrans exploiting their early game advantage by all-inning and cheesing. If you were playing for money at MLG I could see why you'd do it, but when you're chilling on the ladder, wtf is the point?

YES I WON ANOTHER GAME,... WINNING!
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Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
June 23 2011 21:20 GMT
#7
This is a parody of that other really smug post from earlier today where someone posted how much he loved BMing other players.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
June 23 2011 21:25 GMT
#8
On June 24 2011 06:20 deathly rat wrote:
You are being an ass if you chat to someone who leaves without a gg after you all-in them. You might enjoy it but don't kid yourself that your motivations are anything but selfish. It's borderline harrasment.

I invite them to my group. This is how I get most of my practice partners.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Swissky
Profile Joined April 2011
Ireland26 Posts
June 23 2011 21:25 GMT
#9
"The player is ignoring you."

Hah! Your kind words and meaningful gestures are useless on me!

I don't really mind that much, but players who triple face smiley me get reported, I'm not standing for that rubbish.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
June 23 2011 21:29 GMT
#10
On June 24 2011 06:25 Swissky wrote:
"The player is ignoring you."

Hah! Your kind words and meaningful gestures are useless on me!

I don't really mind that much, but players who triple face smiley me get reported, I'm not standing for that rubbish.


I had a game the other day where the guy didn't speak all game, and after he beat me, I sent him a message asking if he'd be interested in practicing at some point in the future. He had preemptively blocked me
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Calm
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada380 Posts
June 23 2011 21:34 GMT
#11
You could message me any time after I beat you Blazinghand. After reading this, I will try to not to BM, just in case you're at the other end
Swwww
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Switzerland812 Posts
June 23 2011 21:39 GMT
#12
congrats on allining every game and thinking your awesome
"What is this TeamSupportGroup?" - mahnini.
Swissky
Profile Joined April 2011
Ireland26 Posts
June 23 2011 21:39 GMT
#13
On June 24 2011 06:29 Blazinghand wrote:

I had a game the other day where the guy didn't speak all game, and after he beat me, I sent him a message asking if he'd be interested in practicing at some point in the future. He had preemptively blocked me


Sometimes if I'm having a bad day online I'll just say "glgl" and then immediately block through the F11 message log just cause I don't want to hear anything. That's probably what happened in this case.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 21:48:06
June 23 2011 21:45 GMT
#14
On June 24 2011 06:39 Gfox wrote:
congrats on allining every game and thinking your awesome


Thanks! I usually make an orbital before pulling scvs, so that with mules I still have mineral income during the allin. [EDIT: This is so that I can continue to produce marines and scvs to reinforce and continue mining] It's not the only strategy I use, but it's on the list.


On June 24 2011 06:34 Calm wrote:
You could message me any time after I beat you Blazinghand. After reading this, I will try to not to BM, just in case you're at the other end


My Bnet character name is Blazinghand, so that should tip you off I hope to run into you on ladder.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
June 23 2011 22:25 GMT
#15
Whenever someone BMs me now I respond with "man, just enjoy the game" and leave it at that.
also lol:
I cannot let that slide so easily. Indeed, as I open the "chat" button after the game, my stream viewers no doubt think I'm getting geared up to rub the salt in your wounds. "Nice queen micro", I would say, or "if I'm so bad how did I beat you" could be another triumphant, prideful response.


Stream viewers? Who? All 4 of them? lol
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
June 23 2011 22:29 GMT
#16
On June 24 2011 07:25 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Whenever someone BMs me now I respond with "man, just enjoy the game" and leave it at that.
also lol:
Show nested quote +
I cannot let that slide so easily. Indeed, as I open the "chat" button after the game, my stream viewers no doubt think I'm getting geared up to rub the salt in your wounds. "Nice queen micro", I would say, or "if I'm so bad how did I beat you" could be another triumphant, prideful response.


Stream viewers? Who? All 4 of them? lol


Actually I often get as many as 2. I only get 4+ viewers if I ask my friends to watch, but that doesn't really count IMO.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
June 23 2011 22:32 GMT
#17
On June 24 2011 06:25 Swissky wrote:
"The player is ignoring you."

Hah! Your kind words and meaningful gestures are useless on me!

I don't really mind that much, but players who triple face smiley me get reported, I'm not standing for that rubbish.


yeah who the hell does he think he is, making a smiley face at you? ....

report him for what? for doing a smiley? im pretty sure blizzard has more important things to do than ban people, who doesnt even bm, but sends you a smiley face?

I constantly get msg'd "i hope you die of cancer you terran fag"
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
June 23 2011 22:33 GMT
#18
On June 24 2011 06:20 Jinsho wrote:
This is a parody of that other really smug post from earlier today where someone posted how much he loved BMing other players.


I hope so. lol
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
June 23 2011 22:40 GMT
#19
On June 24 2011 06:01 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
Get over yourself

pretty much this

I don't understand why people get so butt frustrated because someone doesnt gg to them, then they have the audacity to message them after the game and harass them

i mean seriously?
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
June 23 2011 22:43 GMT
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