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America pretty much satisfies all of the above criteria :/
EDIT: Except eight. It does a good job at avoiding that.
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On June 06 2011 01:37 Empyrean wrote:
America pretty much satisfies all of the above criteria :/
EDIT: Except eight. It does a good job at avoiding that.
But then again
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EDIT: Yeah i know i shouldnt make a post where most of it is a picture, but it just happens that sometime a picture says more than words. Sorry if i hurt someones feelings.
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I tend to ignore Sarah Palin; she's not worthy of my consideration.
EDIT: That crazy bitch Michelle Bachman's even worse. Never have I wanted to sparta kick someone in the throat/ovaries so badly.
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On June 06 2011 01:37 Empyrean wrote:
America pretty much satisfies all of the above criteria :/
EDIT: Except eight. It does a good job at avoiding that.
I don't think 2 and 14 really work.
and 6 depends on your interpretation of 'controlled' I guess.
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United States1407 Posts
On June 06 2011 01:44 Empyrean wrote:
I tend to ignore Sarah Palin; she's not worthy of my consideration.
It would incredibly sad if America would elect her. Then, I will have no faith in this country.
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Canada
1 powerful and continuing nationalism
Nope
2 disdain for human rights
Nope
3 idintification of enemies as a unifying cause
Nope
4 Supremacy of the militant
Nope
5 rampant sexism
Nope
6 controlled mass media
Not really
7 Obsession with national security
Nope
8 Government and religion intertwined
Nope
9 Coporate power protected
Kinda
10 Labour power supressed
Not really
11 Disdain for intellectuals and arts
Nope
12 Obsession with crime and punishment
Nope
13 Rampant cronyism and corruption
A bit, but mostly municipal
14 fraudulent elections
Nope
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Lol, well those aren't a very good "definition" of fascism. It's just a sloppy list.
On June 06 2011 01:37 Empyrean wrote:
America pretty much satisfies all of the above criteria :/
EDIT: Except eight. It does a good job at avoiding that.
As evidenced by "In God we trust" being printed on your money. Come on.
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For 2, witness Guantanamo Bay and America's historic trend of overthrowing democratically elected leaders in other countries (Iran, Panama, Nicaragua, etc.). For 14, while on a national level I doubt there's any problem, the fact that we use these terrible comptuer-based optical scanner machines that don't have open source code in some locations allows for easy vote-rigging, as has been the cases in a few isolated incidents. Granted, it's not as a bad as, say, Iran, but it still isn't as good as it could be.
As for the controlled mass media, we rarely hear anything relevant on the most common forms of cable television news. How often have you turned into CNN, only to find useless reports of twitter feeds and celebrity gossip? That shit isn't news. NPR's pretty good, though. I like Morning Edition.
EDIT: With regard to "In God we trust," I believe it was put on the money sometime in the fifties as an affront to the "godless communists" of the USSR. It's a minor annoyance for me.
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On June 06 2011 01:47 Empyrean wrote:
For 2, witness Guantanamo Bay and America's historic trend of overthrowing democratically elected leaders in other countries (Iran, Panama, Nicaragua, etc.). For 14, while on a national level I doubt there's any problem, the fact that we use these terrible comptuer-based optical scanner machines that don't have open source code in some locations allows for easy vote-rigging, as has been the cases in a few isolated incidents. Granted, it's not as a bad as, say, Iran, but it still isn't as good as it could be.
As for the controlled mass media, we rarely hear anything relevant on the most common forms of cable television news. How often have you turned into CNN, only to find useless reports of twitter feeds and celebrity gossip? That shit isn't news. NPR's pretty good, though. I like Morning Edition.
EDIT: With regard to "In God we trust," I believe it was put on the money sometime in the fifties as an affront to the "godless communists" of the USSR. It's a minor annoyance for me.
Well religion is still pretty present in the government. There's still signs of it all over government buildings and whatnot. "Separation of church and state" isn't particularly respected. Pledge of allegiance and whatnot.
You mention the media and how it feeds irrelevant stuff to the population which doesn't mean it's controlled... It might be to a certain extent but it's not full blown corrupted info - not at all. If anything, it's somewhat controlled by corporations, not so much by the government.
IMO, those numbers are definitely not problematic - doesn't look anything like fascism in the US.
2,5,6,10,11 (well maybe a little in the south lawls),13,14
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On June 06 2011 01:47 Djzapz wrote:
Lol, well those aren't a very good "definition" of fascism. It's just a sloppy list.
If u had taken the time to see the picture you would have seen its only the signs of a beginning facism.
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On June 06 2011 02:02 exeexe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 01:47 Djzapz wrote:
Lol, well those aren't a very good "definition" of fascism. It's just a sloppy list.
If u had taken the time to see the picture you would have seen its only the signs of a beginning facism.
I have taken a look at it, I felt like it was important to point out that it's irrelevant. This is pretty much a pointless exercise 
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the Dagon Knight4010 Posts
On June 06 2011 01:44 Empyrean wrote:
I tend to ignore Sarah Palin; she's not worthy of my consideration.
EDIT: That crazy bitch Michelle Bachman's even worse. Never have I wanted to sparta kick someone in the throat/ovaries so badly.
For the US I would also worry about the teaching of "intelligent design" in classrooms as a state/religion concern, tertiary as it might seem.
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United States1407 Posts
On June 06 2011 01:58 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 01:47 Empyrean wrote:
For 2, witness Guantanamo Bay and America's historic trend of overthrowing democratically elected leaders in other countries (Iran, Panama, Nicaragua, etc.). For 14, while on a national level I doubt there's any problem, the fact that we use these terrible comptuer-based optical scanner machines that don't have open source code in some locations allows for easy vote-rigging, as has been the cases in a few isolated incidents. Granted, it's not as a bad as, say, Iran, but it still isn't as good as it could be.
As for the controlled mass media, we rarely hear anything relevant on the most common forms of cable television news. How often have you turned into CNN, only to find useless reports of twitter feeds and celebrity gossip? That shit isn't news. NPR's pretty good, though. I like Morning Edition.
EDIT: With regard to "In God we trust," I believe it was put on the money sometime in the fifties as an affront to the "godless communists" of the USSR. It's a minor annoyance for me. Well religion is still pretty present in the government. There's still signs of it all over government buildings and whatnot. "Separation of church and state" isn't particularly respected. Pledge of allegiance and whatnot. You mention the media and how it feeds irrelevant stuff to the population which doesn't mean it's controlled... It might be to a certain extent but it's not full blown corrupted info - not at all. If anything, it's somewhat controlled by corporations, not so much by the government. IMO, those numbers are definitely not problematic - doesn't look anything like fascism in the US. 2,5,6,10,11 (well maybe a little in the south lawls),13,14
You really don't think many politicians of the United States are corrupt?
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On June 06 2011 01:58 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 01:47 Empyrean wrote:
For 2, witness Guantanamo Bay and America's historic trend of overthrowing democratically elected leaders in other countries (Iran, Panama, Nicaragua, etc.). For 14, while on a national level I doubt there's any problem, the fact that we use these terrible comptuer-based optical scanner machines that don't have open source code in some locations allows for easy vote-rigging, as has been the cases in a few isolated incidents. Granted, it's not as a bad as, say, Iran, but it still isn't as good as it could be.
As for the controlled mass media, we rarely hear anything relevant on the most common forms of cable television news. How often have you turned into CNN, only to find useless reports of twitter feeds and celebrity gossip? That shit isn't news. NPR's pretty good, though. I like Morning Edition.
EDIT: With regard to "In God we trust," I believe it was put on the money sometime in the fifties as an affront to the "godless communists" of the USSR. It's a minor annoyance for me. Well religion is still pretty present in the government. There's still signs of it all over government buildings and whatnot. "Separation of church and state" isn't particularly respected. Pledge of allegiance and whatnot. You mention the media and how it feeds irrelevant stuff to the population which doesn't mean it's controlled... It might be to a certain extent but it's not full blown corrupted info - not at all. If anything, it's somewhat controlled by corporations, not so much by the government. IMO, those numbers are definitely not problematic - doesn't look anything like fascism in the US. 2,5,6,10,11 (well maybe a little in the south lawls),13,14
Being controlled by corporations is probably worse. The Government is pretty much controlled by them anyway, seeing as how members of both major parties pander to corporate interests at the cost of society as a whole.
I'd have to disagree with your point about separation of church and state. I think the U.S. actually does a pretty good job at it. Concerns are few and far between and are generally addressed satisfactorily (think Alabama state courthouse). The whole pledge of allegiance issue is annoying, but it's probably not going to be fixed in our lifetimes (even though the phrase "under God" was also added in the fifties. For the same reason), but I don't see it as an egregious violation of church and state because the pledge of allegiance isn't mandatory (it's actually pretty stupid).
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On June 06 2011 02:07 Housemd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 01:58 Djzapz wrote:On June 06 2011 01:47 Empyrean wrote:
For 2, witness Guantanamo Bay and America's historic trend of overthrowing democratically elected leaders in other countries (Iran, Panama, Nicaragua, etc.). For 14, while on a national level I doubt there's any problem, the fact that we use these terrible comptuer-based optical scanner machines that don't have open source code in some locations allows for easy vote-rigging, as has been the cases in a few isolated incidents. Granted, it's not as a bad as, say, Iran, but it still isn't as good as it could be.
As for the controlled mass media, we rarely hear anything relevant on the most common forms of cable television news. How often have you turned into CNN, only to find useless reports of twitter feeds and celebrity gossip? That shit isn't news. NPR's pretty good, though. I like Morning Edition.
EDIT: With regard to "In God we trust," I believe it was put on the money sometime in the fifties as an affront to the "godless communists" of the USSR. It's a minor annoyance for me. Well religion is still pretty present in the government. There's still signs of it all over government buildings and whatnot. "Separation of church and state" isn't particularly respected. Pledge of allegiance and whatnot. You mention the media and how it feeds irrelevant stuff to the population which doesn't mean it's controlled... It might be to a certain extent but it's not full blown corrupted info - not at all. If anything, it's somewhat controlled by corporations, not so much by the government. IMO, those numbers are definitely not problematic - doesn't look anything like fascism in the US. 2,5,6,10,11 (well maybe a little in the south lawls),13,14 You really don't think many politicians of the United States are corrupt?
Sure, but not particularly more so than politicians in other democracies... There isn't as much corruption as we would see in fascist regimes, obviously.
On June 06 2011 02:07 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 01:58 Djzapz wrote:On June 06 2011 01:47 Empyrean wrote:
For 2, witness Guantanamo Bay and America's historic trend of overthrowing democratically elected leaders in other countries (Iran, Panama, Nicaragua, etc.). For 14, while on a national level I doubt there's any problem, the fact that we use these terrible comptuer-based optical scanner machines that don't have open source code in some locations allows for easy vote-rigging, as has been the cases in a few isolated incidents. Granted, it's not as a bad as, say, Iran, but it still isn't as good as it could be.
As for the controlled mass media, we rarely hear anything relevant on the most common forms of cable television news. How often have you turned into CNN, only to find useless reports of twitter feeds and celebrity gossip? That shit isn't news. NPR's pretty good, though. I like Morning Edition.
EDIT: With regard to "In God we trust," I believe it was put on the money sometime in the fifties as an affront to the "godless communists" of the USSR. It's a minor annoyance for me. Well religion is still pretty present in the government. There's still signs of it all over government buildings and whatnot. "Separation of church and state" isn't particularly respected. Pledge of allegiance and whatnot. You mention the media and how it feeds irrelevant stuff to the population which doesn't mean it's controlled... It might be to a certain extent but it's not full blown corrupted info - not at all. If anything, it's somewhat controlled by corporations, not so much by the government. IMO, those numbers are definitely not problematic - doesn't look anything like fascism in the US. 2,5,6,10,11 (well maybe a little in the south lawls),13,14 Being controlled by corporations is probably worse. The Government is pretty much controlled by them anyway, seeing as how members of both major parties pander to corporate interests at the cost of society as a whole.
Well when people say the government is controlled by corporations it's actually much less direct than some folks would like you to think. As for the other part of your post, well we have to agree to disagree.
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your Country52797 Posts
On June 06 2011 01:37 Empyrean wrote:
America pretty much satisfies all of the above criteria :/
EDIT: Except eight. It does a good job at avoiding that.
Separation of church and state is a joke at this point. God is mentioned in the PLEDGE OF ALLEGENCE, for crying out loud.
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Bush got most if not all of his ideas from Jesus, at least that's how he made it seem.
Religion and American politics are so intertwined it honestly just makes me sad.
But ya, that picture is actually fucking scary....every single item on the list the good ole USA is pretty much proud of.
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In Germany I observe...
1 powerful and continuing nationalism
no
2 disdain for human rights
no
3 idintification of enemies as a unifying cause
no
4 Supremacy of the militant
no
5 rampant sexism
no
6 controlled mass media
no
7 Obsession with national security
no
8 Government and religion intertwined
yes
9 Coporate power protected
kind of
10 Labour power supressed
no
11 Disdain for intellectuals and arts
no
12 Obsession with crime and punishment
no
13 Rampant cronyism and corruption
not really
14 fraudulent elections
no
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On June 06 2011 03:14 N3rV[Green] wrote:
Bush got most if not all of his ideas from Jesus, at least that's how he made it seem.
Religion and American politics are so intertwined it honestly just makes me sad.
But ya, that picture is actually fucking scary....every single item on the list the good ole USA is pretty much proud of.
Secularism is the stupidest (although the entire list is pretty bad) item on that list anyways. Religion can just be one way of legitimizing a regime, it has no actual bearing on Fascism (neither do many of the other point, but whatever...). It seems routine to point out that the Nazi regime was very anti-religious, and yet was still Fascist.
Anyways, the whole "separation of church and state" (secularism) was an idea taken up more towards the 1600-1700s when the Vatican was deeply entrenched in politics. The Peace of Westphalia and the French Revolution pretty much lead to the separation of church and state in every state. When one politician says "I don't agree with abortion because I am Chrisitian!!" this is not the same thing, it is just an opinion.
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