EPTHopefully now that you got fined, you will at least try to understand some traffic laws so that future accidents can be avoided.
fined for not stopping at stop sign - Page 5
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kakaman
United States1576 Posts
Hopefully now that you got fined, you will at least try to understand some traffic laws so that future accidents can be avoided. | ||
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
On November 15 2010 10:52 faseman wrote: It doesn't matter that other people did it. Come on man....how many times do people have to tell you that ignorance is no excuse. uh yes it does matter. how else are people going to learn about the law? to drive a car, you get a drivers license and learn about the law. you might as well require cyclists to pass a cyclist law test no matter how much common sense it requires. of course you can go online to learn about the law, but there are so many people that will assume that there is no law. the only thing about ignorance i'm using is to explain why i did what i did. I'm not using it to excuse my actions. again, i think that 110$ is too strict for a cyclist to break a rule. espescially since my bike cost only 50$. On November 15 2010 10:53 lac29 wrote: Honestly you were stupid. You do know you can avoid these things by biking on the sidewalk when you come to a red light (obviously won't work if it's illegal to bike on the sidewalk ... like in Chicago)? I dunno why you would risk something like that unless you were absolutely sure no one was watching. i didnt know about the law, which explains why i did it. cycling laws i just found out: no cycling into 1 way streets safety lights working bell no cycling on sidewalks no cycling on wet streets stopping at red lights is obvious, even pedestrians have to obey this | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
2. Blame a cop for doing his job. 3. Blame the country. 4. Make a whine thread on TL about how Toronto is a terrible place because they have actual traffic laws which encourage safety and don't allow you to do retarded shit like ride bicycles through red lights and get yourself killed. 5. Leave country - get self killed in country which does allow ridiculous shit. | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On November 15 2010 09:44 29 fps wrote: the most unfair part is where a few other cyclists doing the same thing did not get caught. otherwise everything else seems justified (although the fine amount seems a little too high). Life is not fair  | ||
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Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
On November 15 2010 11:13 saltywet wrote: no cycling on wet streets Does this mean what I think it means? If you are out cycling and then it rains you are breaking the law O_O ? The F.... ? | ||
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Cauld
United States350 Posts
Also, you keep saying that you saw the intersection was clear and no cars were coming, but somehow a police car saw what you did and pulled you over. So I don't really know what to believe. Your story keeps changing, about red lights, stop signs, neighborhoods, etc. $110 is excessive, but I get charged $45 for not moving my car for weekly street cleaning, no matter how clean the street is. And I'm relatively lucky since in other parts of the city they clean each side of the street twice/week instead of once where I live. And who knows what your point is about traffic in China? I sure don't. You've lived in Canada for at least 10 years it seems and never figured out that all vehicles have to follow traffic laws. I think you should blame your parents either for not teaching you the specific law or failing to teach you common sense. | ||
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
On November 15 2010 11:16 Subversion wrote: 1. Break the law. 2. Blame a cop for doing his job. 3. Blame the country. 4. Make a whine thread on TL about how Toronto is a terrible place because they have actual traffic laws which encourage safety and don't allow you to do retarded shit like ride bicycles through red lights and get yourself killed. 5. Leave country - get self killed in country which does allow ridiculous shit. 1. I broke the law 2. I didn't blame the cop 3. I complain about the country's stupid laws 4. Toronto is an overrated place in general, having lived here for past two years. With the discovery of this new stupid law I conclude that even I underestimated how crap this city is. 5. Leave country, live in a place where I don't even need a bike to get to anywhere I need to in under 30 minutes On November 15 2010 11:22 Cauld wrote: Ignorance is no excuse. People keep telling you this, but you keep shouting you didn't know. Do you need to be told of every little law that exists before it becomes enforceable for you? Did someone have to tell you that selling expired milk is illegal? How about peeing in public? Where would you draw the line? Also, you keep saying that you saw the intersection was clear and no cars were coming, but somehow a police car saw what you did and pulled you over. So I don't really know what to believe. Your story keeps changing, about red lights, stop signs, neighborhoods, etc. $110 is excessive, but I get charged $45 for not moving my car for weekly street cleaning, no matter how clean the street is. And I'm relatively lucky since in other parts of the city they clean each side of the street twice/week instead of once where I live. And who knows what your point is about traffic in China? I sure don't. You've lived in Canada for at least 10 years it seems and never figured out that all vehicles have to follow traffic laws. I think you should blame your parents either for not teaching you the specific law or failing to teach you common sense. peeing in public is against the law? I keep saying that I'm not using my ignorance to excuse my crime, but people like you keep bringing it up and say I am. I'm now in agreement that what I did is wrong, and I've learned my lesson. I don't agree though that there aren't methods to educate people like me about such a big law, and I don't agree that bikes should have such a heavy fine. Either make bike fines 35$ or make car fines 500$. and yeah, the intersection was clear and no cars were coming, I didnt even see the police car so the car must have been parked near the side. I'm sticking with one story, stop signs, driving down a street with residential houses on the side all the way down, crossing a stop sign at an intersection, no red/green lights down the road. I've lived in toronto for 2 years, and I've always walked for 80 minutes, or taken the subway for 30 minutes, or had a friend drive me. And I used common sense, previous two days I rode my bike, I saw people not stopping at stop signs. Clearly you can still insist that I'm not using common sense, uh but that would make me deduce that stop signs only applied to cars | ||
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DOMINOSC
Canada345 Posts
also read the bike laws for toronto. | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
On November 15 2010 11:42 Zapdos_Smithh wrote: Lol kinda funny I just got a speeding ticket today. Not exactly same as a bike but...funny to see a fined blog right after I get the ticket kinda ridiculous, but I bet that my not-stopping-at-stop-sign ticket costs more than your speeding ticket | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
On November 15 2010 11:49 saltywet wrote: kinda ridiculous, but I bet that my not-stopping-at-stop-sign ticket costs more than your speeding ticket Mine was more expensive actually. He WAS about to give me 197 but reduced it to 138 cuz there was nobody on the road + it was 3 lanes. I live in Vancouver btw where speeding and parking tickets can get up to 300 easily. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
Now, if you do want to fight the ticket, just look up the law described by the offense. In the middle of the ticket, should say something like "DID COMMIT THE OFFENSE OF / CONTRARY TO". Google up that law and entry and read it. If it applies to bicycles, and the wording should be clear enough, then pay the fine. If you do goto court, I doubt you will win, and even if the fine is reduced, you are admitting to it, and you'll get an offense entered against you in your criminal record. | ||
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
On November 15 2010 11:19 Reason wrote: Does this mean what I think it means? If you are out cycling and then it rains you are breaking the law O_O ? The F.... ? in the case of heavy rain, you have to walk your bike. I honestly dont think this law is enforced though, I've seen many bikers ride in rain. Again, it makes sense. But how many people know of this law, and how many people actually follow it? On November 15 2010 12:00 a176 wrote: The cop did you a favor. Whether you're walking, biking, or driving; blowing through an intersection is the worst thing you can do. It doesn't matter how sure you are of the situation, there's always something there you might not notice - and in your own words, you didn't even notice the cop car. Now imagine a car that's going significantly faster and has only seconds to react to you popping out of nowhere because of all the cars parked on the street? Its all just examples I know, but think of the consequences if something bad did happened. Now, if you do want to fight the ticket, just look up the law described by the offense. In the middle of the ticket, should say something like "DID COMMIT THE OFFENSE OF / CONTRARY TO". Google up that law and entry and read it. If it applies to bicycles, and the wording should be clear enough, then pay the fine. If you do goto court, I doubt you will win, and even if the fine is reduced, you are admitting to it, and you'll get an offense entered against you in your criminal record. Okay, let me make it clear that I have understood I broke the law. This is what I'm complaining about (I just went online to find the law that I broke): Tickets issued to cyclists: Disobey Stop Sign – Fail to Stop Set Fine: 85.00$ Court Fee: 5.00$ Victim Fine: 20.00$ Total: 110.00$ Tickets issued to cars: Disobey Stop Sign – Fail to Stop Set Fine: 85.00$ Total: 85.00$ (Yes, cars are exempt of the court fee and victim fine, so before anyone bashes me more, give me a valid justification why cars have lighter fines than cyclists, for the same crime) | ||
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aztrorisk
United States896 Posts
On November 15 2010 07:43 aztrorisk wrote: If you do bring it to court, you can plead that you thought that the stop sign only applied to cars. As a result, you were never informed by the fact that it applied to bicycles. I doubt not knowing the law is a valid legal defense, anywhere. Well, In the US, it is. | ||
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Karliath
United States2214 Posts
This is with the assumption that you know the law and its consequences. If you know there is a rule and the punishment for not following the rule, you can't break the rule first, and then complain about the punishment later. Of course, I understand that you probably didn't know the fine would be so ridiculous. However, as the government expects you to know 100% of the laws (lol so impossible), it's kind of implied that they expect you to know the punishments associated with breaking the laws too. If that makes sense. | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
people who want to come to toronto, don't. i thought everybody knew this /vancouver | ||
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lvatural
United States347 Posts
On November 15 2010 12:12 saltywet wrote: (Yes, cars are exempt of the court fee and victim fine, so before anyone bashes me more, give me a valid justification why cars have lighter fines than cyclists, for the same crime) Because if a car runs a stop sign and gets hit by a car, nobody gets hurt. If a cyclist runs a stop sign and get hits by a car, he dies. Car drivers are mandated to have insurance (car gets damages so car insurance). Bicyclists are not mandated to have health insurance (person rather than car is injured). No insurance + hospital emergency = cost to state. Ergo. Victim fee is to help pay for this cost. *bows* (I'm guessing that's what they were going for. I think it's pretty stupid but the law is the law :/) | ||
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Craton
United States17251 Posts
Good on the cop. | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
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canucks12
Canada812 Posts
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