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On November 15 2010 09:41 aike wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 07:20 saltywet wrote:
yeah, so i was riding down a nearly empty street with a friend and a cop busted us for not stopping A BYCICLE at a stop sign.
i just got the bicycle 3 days ago (i dont drive), i was following my friend and i had no idea that in toronto bicycles have to stop at stop sign
the cop stopped us, took 20 minutes (a duration in which 3 other bicycles passed by, not stopping at red light) and gave us each a 110$ ticket (SAME GODDAM FINE AS A FUCKING CAR).
this is so garbage, and for this reason im leaving this country as soon as i graduate. people who want to come to toronto, don't. I bet in china i can ride my fucking bicycle through a red light in the highest traffic intersection at rush hour and not get fined 1 RMB.
edit:: realized i made a typing mistake, we didnt rush a red light, we didn't stop at a STOP SIGN
i wouldn't ever rush through a red light, but in toronto theres like a million stop signs and if we get fined for not stopping at a stop sign, i rather stop biking and just ride an unenvironmentally friendly car Even after your edit there is nothing in here about it being a residential area, so stop replying to posts saying that it's a residential area so you should be fine because you never said that. Also you now say it's a stop sign, BUT you never say it's a 4 way stop. There's plenty roads that have stop signs for one road but not the cross street.
uh.. what?
i'm not familiar with traffic terminology, and i don't know how anything you said changes the premises of what happened, but let me make it clear
the street we were riding down was a straight street, there are houses on both sides of the road. i barely saw the stop sign, since there were cars parked on my right, and it was a small intersection. Thinking nothing of it and following my partner who was 3-4 meters ahead of me, and seeing no cars driving on either side of the intersection, I followed my partner and seconds later, a patrol car stopped us.
I don't know whether it's a fourway stop, I just know there were pedestrian walk lights not on our side of the intersection, and there was a bicycle lane and parking lane, and it was a residential area since all of the buildings down that street were houses
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On November 15 2010 09:33 McDonalds wrote:
One less reckless person on the streets of Toronto, I guess.
Only about a hundred thousand left to deal with.
Is that the number for honkongnese in canada? Just wondering here.
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In Colorado legally speaking a bicycle is another vehicle and thusly has to adhere to the traffic laws that apply to them. Ive gotten tickets before regarding running stop signs too. If you are going to be riding often you should look up the laws in your area and get a map of streets that are legal for bikes to be on (in Fort Collins some roads prohibit bikes completely).
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On November 15 2010 09:53 News wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 09:33 McDonalds wrote:
One less reckless person on the streets of Toronto, I guess.
Only about a hundred thousand left to deal with. Is that the number for honkongnese in canada? Just wondering here.
thats totally racist. i grew up in edmonton, yo.
On November 15 2010 10:00 Amnesia wrote:
learn 2 bike imo
and learn to read. I know how to bike, and I'm not reckless. I was just uninformed of the law.
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I don't really feel bad for you. Countless people, along residential streets, have had serious injury in biking related accidents that could have all been avoided. These same people, after serious injury, go on and attempt to sue for damages. Just because you didn't get owned this time, doesn't mean it can't happen. Personally, the officer is probably being hypersensitive (a warning probably would have been fine) but your attitude in this thread seems it may have been warranted as you probably would have learned nothing. At least I know you'll be safer next time you're out riding.
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I'm shocked with the amount of people who defend this absurd law in here lol
Pay 110 bucks for not stopping at a stop sign riding A BIKE? I mean, seriously, wtf...
But if the law is there, the policeman has not the right, but the duty to enforce it.
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On November 15 2010 10:04 saltywet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 09:53 News wrote:On November 15 2010 09:33 McDonalds wrote:
One less reckless person on the streets of Toronto, I guess.
Only about a hundred thousand left to deal with. Is that the number for honkongnese in canada? Just wondering here. thats totally racist. i grew up in edmonton, yo. and learn to read. I know how to bike, and I'm not reckless. I was just uninformed of the law.
And ignorance of the law is not a defense in breaking it. Learn 2 bike comment is not learn how to pedal but learn how to be a person on the road.
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You broke the law, you pay the fine buddy.
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On November 15 2010 10:17 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 10:04 saltywet wrote:On November 15 2010 09:53 News wrote:On November 15 2010 09:33 McDonalds wrote:
One less reckless person on the streets of Toronto, I guess.
Only about a hundred thousand left to deal with. Is that the number for honkongnese in canada? Just wondering here. thats totally racist. i grew up in edmonton, yo. On November 15 2010 10:00 Amnesia wrote:
learn 2 bike imo and learn to read. I know how to bike, and I'm not reckless. I was just uninformed of the law. And ignorance of the law is not a defense in breaking it. Learn 2 bike comment is not learn how to pedal but learn how to be a person on the road.
and i'm not defending myself. I did break the law unknowingly. I am not reckless. I care about my safety and I care about others, you're all assuming what kind of person I am just because of me crossing a stop sign. I went through it because there was no one crossing. I'm complaining that it's unfair that cycling has same offense as a car
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On November 15 2010 10:17 fabiano wrote:
I'm shocked with the amount of people who defend this absurd law in here lol
Pay 110 bucks for not stopping at a stop sign riding A BIKE? I mean, seriously, wtf...
But if the law is there, the policeman has not the right, but the duty to enforce it.
Hospital expenses, legal fees could be in excess of 110 if he gets owned while biking...
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I'm glad to find this blog rather than "my trip to the hospital, biking accident". :>
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Hmmm pay a $110 fine and stop bitching about laws designed to protect me, OR, continue ignoring the basic road rules and potentially die 30 years prematurely in an accident. I know which one I would choose.
Safety first bro. There's a lot of thought that goes into the placement of stop signs. Just because you think it might be safe doesn't mean that it always is.
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You're unbelievable. You did something illegal and you pay for it. What is so hard to understand?
Your complaints change with each post, too. Ignorance is no excuse. It doesn't matter how many cars were around. It doesn't matter that it was a residential area. It doesn't matter that it was a 4-way stop.
Learn the road rules before making yourself look like a moron.
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On November 15 2010 10:23 Coca Cola Classic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 10:17 fabiano wrote:
I'm shocked with the amount of people who defend this absurd law in here lol
Pay 110 bucks for not stopping at a stop sign riding A BIKE? I mean, seriously, wtf...
But if the law is there, the policeman has not the right, but the duty to enforce it. Hospital expenses, legal fees could be in excess of 110 if he gets owned while biking...
just the insurance can be well over 1000 if you crash in a car. so.... your point is somewhat invalid
On November 15 2010 10:38 faseman wrote:
You're unbelievable. You did something illegal and you pay for it. What is so hard to understand?
Your complaints change with each post, too. Ignorance is no excuse. It doesn't matter how many cars were around. It doesn't matter that it was a residential area. It doesn't matter that it was a 4-way stop.
Learn the road rules before making yourself look like a moron.
it's hard to understand why there's such a strict law governing cycling. I did do something illegal and I'm not complaining about paying for it, I'm complaining about why there is such a law in the first place (not stopping at stop signs in residential areas) and why the fine is the same as a car.
I wasn't informed of it, and for the previous two days before today, I saw people riding bikes into 1 way roads, and tonnes of people riding through stop signs.
for a person who's never ridden a bicycle in toronto, what's so hard for people like you to understand that a rider like me would assume that there's no law governing cycling?
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TossFloss
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As a driver, I find many cyclists pay insufficient attention to traffic safety. Cyclists must follow the same laws as drivers of other vehicles. This includes stopping at stop signs
I bet in china i can ride my fucking bicycle through a red light in the highest traffic intersection at rush hour and not get fined 1 RMB.
In the more developed areas of China like Beijing you may join pedestrians in "wedging" their way through traffic. However should you go to some rural areas, particularly in Western China, traffic rules more closely approximate a free-for-all (e.g. buses driving in the middle of the road with oncoming traffic flowing into the wrong lane).
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On November 15 2010 10:39 TossFloss wrote:As a driver, I find many cyclists pay insufficient attention to traffic safety. Cyclists must follow the same laws as drivers of other vehicles. This includes stopping at stop signs Show nested quote +I bet in china i can ride my fucking bicycle through a red light in the highest traffic intersection at rush hour and not get fined 1 RMB. In the more developed areas of China like Beijing you may join pedestrians in "wedging" their way through traffic. However should you go to some rural areas, particularly in Western China, traffic rules more closely approximate a free-for-all (e.g. buses driving in the middle of the road with oncoming traffic flowing into the wrong lane).
Yup definitely agree with this... even as a cyclist you're not immune to stop signs and the like. 110 bucks isn't really that big a deal when you got burnt for a law that's designed to protect you. When I ride my bike if anything I'm more careful about stop signs and shit...
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On November 15 2010 10:39 saltywet wrote:
it's hard to understand why there's such a strict law governing cycling. I did do something illegal and I'm not complaining about paying for it, I'm complaining about why there is such a law in the first place (not stopping at stop signs in residential areas) and why the fine is the same as a car.
I wasn't informed of it, and for the previous two days before today, I saw people riding bikes into 1 way roads, and tonnes of people riding through stop signs.
for a person who's never ridden a bicycle in toronto, what's so hard for people like you to understand that a rider like me would assume that there's no law governing cycling?
It doesn't matter that other people did it.
Come on man....how many times do people have to tell you that ignorance is no excuse.
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Honestly you were stupid. You do know you can avoid these things by biking on the sidewalk when you come to a red light (obviously won't work if it's illegal to bike on the sidewalk ... like in Chicago)?
I dunno why you would risk something like that unless you were absolutely sure no one was watching.
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Wow that blows 110 $ sounds completely ridiculous. Everyone here drives a bike here drunk as fuck without lights and noone ever gets fined, then again my city is like 90% college students.
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