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On November 15 2010 14:21 canucks12 wrote:
My dad got the same fine in downtown Vancouver. The dumbest part about it was that it was a 3 way stop, and he was going straight. He never even crossed a street. 100 dollars or so was his fine. The cops here have to keep up with a quota, so i suppose that giving every passing biker a ticket is an easy way of matching it.
You don't complain about laws after you break them. That's just stupid. Even though it's impractical, you are expected to know the punishments for breaking a law, just as you are expected to know the laws in the first place.
Therefore, it is assumed, when you break the law, that you are knowledgeably accepting the consequences. Arguing at this point is useless.
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I went to school in like the number one bicycle commuter place in the country (USA). So I'm not surprised at all by this, especially since its a city. Some officers give you a warning if you never knew.... but some officers are douches. lol
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Yeah, I agree the ticket is stupid for cyclists. A warning was probably better suited.
The other ridiculous thing is not allowing biking on side walks... When the sidewalk is devoid of pedestrians (e.g. outside of downtown core), why can't I bike on the sidewalk again? RIDICULOUS!
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On November 15 2010 14:28 Karliath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 14:21 canucks12 wrote:
My dad got the same fine in downtown Vancouver. The dumbest part about it was that it was a 3 way stop, and he was going straight. He never even crossed a street. 100 dollars or so was his fine. The cops here have to keep up with a quota, so i suppose that giving every passing biker a ticket is an easy way of matching it. You don't complain about laws after you break them. That's just stupid. Even though it's impractical, you are expected to know the punishments for breaking a law, just as you are expected to know the laws in the first place. Therefore, it is assumed, when you break the law, that you are knowledgeably accepting the consequences. Arguing at this point is useless.
We can complain about the laws whenever we know about it. I dont accept the consequences, that's why i'm requesting a trial
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On November 15 2010 11:29 saltywet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 11:16 Subversion wrote:
1. Break the law.
2. Blame a cop for doing his job.
3. Blame the country.
4. Make a whine thread on TL about how Toronto is a terrible place because they have actual traffic laws which encourage safety and don't allow you to do retarded shit like ride bicycles through red lights and get yourself killed.
5. Leave country - get self killed in country which does allow ridiculous shit.
1. I broke the law 2. I didn't blame the cop 3. I complain about the country's stupid laws 4. Toronto is an overrated place in general, having lived here for past two years. With the discovery of this new stupid law I conclude that even I underestimated how crap this city is. 5. Leave country, live in a place where I don't even need a bike to get to anywhere I need to in under 30 minutes Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 11:22 Cauld wrote:
Ignorance is no excuse. People keep telling you this, but you keep shouting you didn't know. Do you need to be told of every little law that exists before it becomes enforceable for you? Did someone have to tell you that selling expired milk is illegal? How about peeing in public? Where would you draw the line?
Also, you keep saying that you saw the intersection was clear and no cars were coming, but somehow a police car saw what you did and pulled you over. So I don't really know what to believe. Your story keeps changing, about red lights, stop signs, neighborhoods, etc.
$110 is excessive, but I get charged $45 for not moving my car for weekly street cleaning, no matter how clean the street is. And I'm relatively lucky since in other parts of the city they clean each side of the street twice/week instead of once where I live.
And who knows what your point is about traffic in China? I sure don't. You've lived in Canada for at least 10 years it seems and never figured out that all vehicles have to follow traffic laws. I think you should blame your parents either for not teaching you the specific law or failing to teach you common sense. peeing in public is against the law? I keep saying that I'm not using my ignorance to excuse my crime, but people like you keep bringing it up and say I am. I'm now in agreement that what I did is wrong, and I've learned my lesson. I don't agree though that there aren't methods to educate people like me about such a big law, and I don't agree that bikes should have such a heavy fine. Either make bike fines 35$ or make car fines 500$. and yeah, the intersection was clear and no cars were coming, I didnt even see the police car so the car must have been parked near the side. I'm sticking with one story, stop signs, driving down a street with residential houses on the side all the way down, crossing a stop sign at an intersection, no red/green lights down the road. I've lived in toronto for 2 years, and I've always walked for 80 minutes, or taken the subway for 30 minutes, or had a friend drive me. And I used common sense, previous two days I rode my bike, I saw people not stopping at stop signs. Clearly you can still insist that I'm not using common sense, uh but that would make me deduce that stop signs only applied to cars
I really don't understand how you think being made to stop at a sign that says "stop" *gasp* is a "stupid" law.
just pay the fine man, stop being so damn petty. I'm sure if you politely explain that it was a mistake you could get the fine reduced, instead of being all aggro and having such a shit attitude as if you've been wronged somehow.
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you broke the law dude and unlucky for you, you got caught. stop complaining.
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On November 15 2010 15:04 lutarez wrote:
Yeah, I agree the ticket is stupid for cyclists. A warning was probably better suited.
The other ridiculous thing is not allowing biking on side walks... When the sidewalk is devoid of pedestrians (e.g. outside of downtown core), why can't I bike on the sidewalk again? RIDICULOUS!
Seriously?
Person standing behind a telephone pole steps out and gets run into by a bike going 30k/h?
Pedestrians afraid of using the sidewalk because people get used to riding their bikes there?
Cyclists not comfortable navigating the streets when they actually need to and causing safety hazards?
Bikes just aren't an option in some places, especially when cars are going at a high rate of speed. You either walk, drive, or take public transit. If you do break the law and ride on the sidewalk, then it's your choice but you shouldn't be surprised if you get fined
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Of course cyclists get the same fine as cars, they use the same street. In fact, I'm sure cops prefer cars hitting each other so that no one gets hurt, but if a car runs into a cyclist then the cyclist is almost always seriously hurt. In that stead, you can argue that the fine should be even higher for cyclists.
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learn road laws before you start cycling. you might also like:
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On November 15 2010 15:12 saltywet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 14:28 Karliath wrote:On November 15 2010 14:21 canucks12 wrote:
My dad got the same fine in downtown Vancouver. The dumbest part about it was that it was a 3 way stop, and he was going straight. He never even crossed a street. 100 dollars or so was his fine. The cops here have to keep up with a quota, so i suppose that giving every passing biker a ticket is an easy way of matching it. You don't complain about laws after you break them. That's just stupid. Even though it's impractical, you are expected to know the punishments for breaking a law, just as you are expected to know the laws in the first place. Therefore, it is assumed, when you break the law, that you are knowledgeably accepting the consequences. Arguing at this point is useless. We can complain about the laws whenever we know about it. I dont accept the consequences, that's why i'm requesting a trial
Have fun trying.
Afaik in most countries(so prolly yours too) the minute you get on the road on/in a vehicle you are supposed to know the traffic laws.
So in the eyes of the law it is ALWAYS your fault if you break one law even if you didn't know about it or think it's stupid
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Eyyyy that sucks man ! 110 dolars ? i would start a new life thats crazy... yea and when someone stole something from you and you call cops they will say you that they have better things to do than your solve your stupid problems ! hate this
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Have to agree that 110$ fine for riding a bicycle and not stopping at a stop sign when the street is clear is a bit ridiculous.
It would probably end up something similar here in Sweden but i generally disagree with enforcing laws to the extreme.
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I don't get it. You say the street was clear yet there was a cop car on it? Or was it a bicycle cop? I am wondering how you reacted to the cop when he flagged you down. Did you get angry at him before he gave you the ticket or after?
Bicycles on the street have to obey traffic laws, I don't even bike to work just in parks and I know this. Oh and if you live in Toronto and someday use a car, dont go 50km above the speed limit or it is a $10,000 fine and your car gets impounded. (Don't live in Toronto just visited for training courses)
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I just got fined for a rolling stop 1 minute away from my house.
Yea...
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I just got a ticket two hours ago for going 18 over the speed limit on the highway. First speeding ticket for me. Sux balls. I have a radar/laser detector too... Which did not go off when the cop claimed he clocked me with his laser going 18 over...
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it's not stupid at all. the only way to ensure safety on the streets is to follow the laws. of course 99.9999% of the time you could burn through the intersection and not get hurt -- that's not the point. if cyclists want to be treated like vehicles and use the roads, they have to follow the laws.
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Most cars don't stop at stop signs either, though, and it's much less taxing for them to stop completely, too!
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i talked with quite a couple of people i know today about what happened
all of the asians/non-drivers/non-cyclists reacted the way i did at first, that they thought it was a ridiculous law.
the people i talked to that were drivers though, all reacted the same way that many people here reacted, that it was dangerous and unresponsible for the cyclist and that a punishment should be needed. However, they all agreed that the fine for a bicycle was too much and that the country should make the biking laws clear to cyclists since there are so many laws regarding cycling that aren't obvious
many of these people are more intelligent and reasonable people. this isn't about unfair laws anymore. its funny how 20+ of the people i talked to irl were able to discuss with reasonable arguments to why they think what they did, and how only 3 people in this thread were able to do so eloquently 
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Three? That's your completely biased opinion. There are far more than that who expressed everything just fine.
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On November 16 2010 08:17 Craton wrote:
Three? That's your completely biased opinion. There are far more than that who expressed everything just fine.
no, there were only three people that read the thread and showed me facts that i was wrong, and everyone else came in here just to throw in their 2 cents
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