[osl spoilers] Counter-Arguments - Page 4

On September 14 2010 05:33 Boblion wrote:

yup and getting unlucky. What about game 3 and 5 ?
That was really octozergish imo.

On September 14 2010 04:40 Boblion wrote:
When the only guys who have a slight chance to beat Flash in a bo3 or bo5 are the #1 zerg and the #2 zerg and they have to play unorthodox / cheesy, well i don't think that we are allowed to question his bonjwa status.




3-2 with cheese. Effort got smashed in the two first games ( it was standard macro games ).

On September 14 2010 11:44 darkmetal505 wrote:
Nada and Savior got their medals over the course of their careers also.

On September 14 2010 11:44 darkmetal505 wrote:
Nada and Savior got their medals over the course of their careers also. What I meant about the 40% comment is that people are using the 9-3 score as a determinant for the ass raping Jaedong got from Flash without looking at the quality of the games. I was making a point that the closest Jaedong could've gotten to Flash in terms of games won without changing the overall result is 40%. If he did, would you still say Flash dominated then?

Maybe I'm not expressing my criterion for bonjwa correctly. If I beat you 9 games by 4 pooling and you beat me in 3 straight up games, does that mean I, "when you look at the big picture", dominated? Of course not, you have to look at the games yo.

I said I wouldn't give Flash the benefit of the doubt not he because prepared new builds but BECAUSE I just haven't seen enough evidence to thoroughly say that he rapes Jaedong's face day and night. For that to happen I need to see him beat Jaedong playing at his best and become utterly helpless in front of Flash. This is what I saw in the other bonjwas.

I can also note that the time period of each bonjwa brought forth big paradigm shifts in the metagame whether in terms of mechanics or a revolutionary play style.

On September 12 2010 06:15 darkmetal505 wrote:
The original bonjwadom was for the dominance that Savior exerted and then extrapolated to the other 3. The word defines this type of relationship which is long gone because so many good players have come up. Here is a good analogy since everyone can understand phallic imagery:

If BW has a 20 inch dick for perfection in gameplay, not statistics or how many titles one has won, just skill and aura, then Savior and Nada were raping with 10 inch cocks when everyone else had 5-6 inches. Sure sometimes you would get the 7-9 incher challenging them and beating them, but when fully erect, it was hard to beat Savior or Nada.

Then Bisu came along and changed everything. He had been hiding his footlong and unleashed it on Savior. At the same time, all the players were slowly growing up into the big leagues. Bisu had a change to stretch his wiener into a 15 inch monster before everyone else could, but he blew it. This is where bonjwadongs ended.

Now look at Flash. He's wielding a giant 19 incher and sometimes taps the limit of 20. Girls faint at the sight of his power and it is intimidating indeed. However, JD is not far behind him with 18 inches and others such as Stork, Bisu, and Effort have all grown into their 16-17 inchers. Flash has reached a position where bonjwa can't apply anymore because it's a thing of the past. Everyone now has rock solid crown jewels exceeding 12 inches (except Hyuk). Flash and many others have transcended bonjwadongs.

Finally, in these last two finals, it's hard to see Flash and JD battling with full on erections because each has tried to cripple the other before they can get into full form. There isn't enough of a sample size to measure full lengths. Nevertheless, Flash's prowess is unmatched in the bedroom right now.

So you can call Flash "Imbalance Terran", "God", or "Biggest Dick," but the power of the bonjwadong ended with the sub 12 inchers beating the half thooters.

On September 14 2010 05:55 darkmetal505 wrote:
Do you really have to copypasta your post from another thread?

On September 14 2010 05:55 darkmetal505 wrote:
Why do people freaking think that progamers have to play a certain way to be legit? If Flash is susceptible to aggressive openings, then by all means do it! Game 3 was Flash being an idiot and moving out with his marines prematurely and getting owned by zerglings. There wasn't anything cheesy about that. If you were presented with such an opportunity to take the game, why wouldn't you pounce on it? So please stop acting like "oh Flash lost to cheese, so it doesn't count."

On September 14 2010 05:55 darkmetal505 wrote:
Flash played pretty unorthodox against Jaedong if you even watched the games. In the latest MSL the first two games was Flash executing timing attacks that I've never seen before, but please correct me if Flash has done the "prevent mutas from scouting the base, get an extremely early +1 attack and push out with Goliaths + hidden MnM" or "quick 4 fac +1 armor, mass goliath" builds before. Unorthodox indeed. Also, he "cheesed" in two of the games in the OSL.

On September 14 2010 05:55 darkmetal505 wrote:
I hate "oh Flash went 9-3 and Jaedong only won 25% of the games, means Flash dominated" argument. The closest Jaedong could've gotten is 40% anyway (2-3,2-3,2-3). That specific stat shows nothing to me in terms of domination because half of the games was one player trying something brand spanking new or "cheesing", trying to gain the upper hand. Also stop saying Jaedong seemed "desperate" by 4 pooling twice. They were clearly meant to throw Flash off even footing. If he was truly desperate, he would've done it again in the last game because he had nothing to lose. Rather he went 12 hatch, preparing for a seemingly standard game which ended up not being the case.

On September 14 2010 05:55 darkmetal505 wrote:
The reason why I'm reluctant to call Flash bonjwa is because I haven't seen enough games where Jaedong is full fledged and Flash is shutting him down no matter what. When I picture bonjwa, I see Nada/Oov rolling over massive Zerg armies throwing themselves fruitlessly because they have no other option. I see Nada trying again and again pushing into Savior's natural only to be stopped by clutch swarms and then being pushed all the way back into his base because he can do nothing else. Each party knew what the other was going to do, but one was unable to stop it. The reason why I'm saying bonjwa (rating it by this kind of dominance) can't exist anymore, is because this skill gap is too close. People are going to try new builds and new starts to beat their opponents.