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On July 06 2010 12:47 travis wrote:
how can you take an action without being aware of what it is you need to do?
this is precisely your issue. indeed travis, how can you take an action without being aware of exactly what you need to do, through the marginal, insignificant effects of a life "critically examined" to rectify the tragedies of a flawed world, where no one else has achieved your unique insight? your pretension to relevance is absurd.
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On July 06 2010 12:47 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 12:42 SLTorak.Hobo wrote:
Seems to me you are taking a high horse attitude simply because you believe in rebirth and spiritual enlightenment. High Horse attitude? You mean.. having an opinion and expressing it? Show nested quote +
Being open to ideas doesn't make you any more bright then the guy sitting next to you who is oblivious to the world dicking around on an Iphone. I mean come on confronting the prospect of death? Everyone learns from a young age you are gonna die some day.
what does that have to do with anything? Sure they learn it, and then they set it aside and never think about it. Show nested quote +
That is the reality of it, if anything rebirth is just a silly way to avoid the reality of once you are 6 feet under there isn't coming back up for a visit. Your enlightenment sounds like nothing more then hiding yourself from facts while preaching that everyone else is ignorant for not having a similar view.
probably shouldn't bother with this Show nested quote +
Being aware of something doesn't change it, actions do and unless you are taking action you aren't helping shit.
how can you take an action without being aware of what it is you need to do? and btw, are these not actions right now? debating these things? if you think they aren't, sure shows what you know. it's affecting you and everyone else who is reading it.
The high horse attitude is you thinking you are some level above everyone else and think about all these deep thoughts and no one else does? I assure you everyone contemplates death many many times through out their lives and what happens afterwards. To me believing in afterlife is akin to believing in god - its just a fairytale to comfort you from the realities of life. When I said actions change things I am referring to the things like rape, murder, and all that good shit. Knowing about it doesn't change the realities of it happening , nor does having some philosophical debate on a forum about whether or not you should kill a bird. Its not what you know, its what you can do. Obviously you have to know to do..that is common sense its how you use that knowledge that makes the difference.
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On July 06 2010 12:51 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 12:50 Barrin wrote:What the bird wants is irrelevant to what is going to happen. Oh yeah I totally meant to mention that two of my posts ago, but I had a brainfart  how is it irrelevant? do you not believe in freedom? or just not for birds?
What the hell does it dying have to do with freedom? If you are going to die you are going to die, it doesn't matter if you do it in a steel cage with car batteries hooked up to it a car accident the end product is the same. The outcome doesn't change. If you are referring to the freedom of choice to live, there is none. You can't will away injuries simply by wanting to live.
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On July 06 2010 12:52 DeathByMonkeys wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 12:37 travis wrote:On July 06 2010 12:01 DeathByMonkeys wrote:On July 06 2010 10:30 travis wrote:
How is there a shitload you're better off not knowing? Could you please explain to me the benefit of ignorance? Let me assure you that ignorant people suffer more in the long run than people who challenge theirselves to gain acceptance of reality. Not to mention they are weaker, stupider, more naive, and more foolish.
And what is QC?
Why does spellcheck want me to put a hyphen in "theirselves". Is that not one word? And if it isn't, why not? Ignorance != stupidity/weakness/foolishness There is definitely stuff you're better off not knowing about. For example, all the pre-teens being brutally raped around the world, people being slayed and burned alive, people being tortured in all sorts of god awful ways (extremities cut off, acid poured in their eyes, electrocution, water boarding, whatever the thing is that stretches people 'till they're ripped apart), heroin addicts going through withdrawals (not too mention women selling their bodies for it, or boyfriends doing it for them [watch Requiem for a Dream]), all the suffering, people dying extremely slow/painful deaths from AIDs and such. The list goes on. Also many less extreme things. For example if you knew how half the food you ate was made/prepared you would probably throw up. Also if you knew what it took for you to get the shoes on your feet made and things of this nature. These types of things just to name a few, and I'm sure this is a mild list compared to what is actually happening around the world as I type this, but alas I'm ignorant to a lot of it. To address your saying ignorance makes you stupid/weak/foolish, that is just ridiculous. Ignorance is legitimately not knowing something, being stupid is knowing yet still "playing dumb". You can't just blame people and accuse them of being weak because they don't know everything, that is absolutely horrible. I'm sure there are millions of people far more wise than you and far less foolish, but you may have a degree and know a few more things that were written in a book somewhere making you a bit less ignorant. I disagree with most of what you say. I would prefer to know about all of that. And btw I mean ignorance in the sense of a lack of understanding, not a lack of knowledge. Also, that isn't what being stupid is. Being stupid is lacking mental sharpness, and it certainly comes with a lack of understanding. What exactly is a lack of understanding? Like a lack of knowing how quantum mechanics works?
No, that would be a lack of knowledge. Knowledge is information, data. Understanding transcends that. If you know how to apply a concept, you understand it. If you can describe the concept, you have knowledge. You can read about a concept all you want but you can't apply it unless you understand it.
To follow up on the terrible things happening in the world. You may want to know about all of that, but the simple fact is that most people can't handle that kind of information. Also you say you would like to know about such things, if someone provided you with links of videos of 6 year old girls being raped, or people being lit on fire and brutally tortured would you watch them? Not only would you watch them, but would you feel better about yourself afterwards for gaining that information?
I don't need the information I just need to understand that it happens and why.
About being stupid, everyone on the planet can't be the smartest, or least stupid I should say. Just like you or I can't be 7'4" and play in the NBA. There has to be smart people out there and not as smart people out there or the world wouldn't 'go round'. You think if all the blue collar workers out there who didn't get a decent education knew how shitty they were actually being treated that they would take it? Or if all the soldiers out there knew how many families they were ruining by killing the enemy, if they knew how much pain and suffering they were going to put someone through, do you still think they would do it?
I am not sure exactly what you are saying.
I think people can improve theirselves.
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On July 06 2010 13:04 SLTorak.Hobo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 12:51 travis wrote:On July 06 2010 12:50 Barrin wrote:What the bird wants is irrelevant to what is going to happen. Oh yeah I totally meant to mention that two of my posts ago, but I had a brainfart how is it irrelevant? do you not believe in freedom? or just not for birds? What the hell does it dying have to do with freedom? If you are going to die you are going to die, it doesn't matter if you do it in a steel cage with car batteries hooked up to it a car accident the end product is the same. The outcome doesn't change. If you are referring to the freedom of choice to live, there is none. The outcome was predetermined will doesn't cure injuries alone.
we are all going to die. this is going in circles.
If someone has a terminal illness, and they suffer - they should be put to death even if they want to live?
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On July 06 2010 13:01 SLTorak.Hobo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 12:47 travis wrote:On July 06 2010 12:42 SLTorak.Hobo wrote:
Seems to me you are taking a high horse attitude simply because you believe in rebirth and spiritual enlightenment. High Horse attitude? You mean.. having an opinion and expressing it?
Being open to ideas doesn't make you any more bright then the guy sitting next to you who is oblivious to the world dicking around on an Iphone. I mean come on confronting the prospect of death? Everyone learns from a young age you are gonna die some day.
what does that have to do with anything? Sure they learn it, and then they set it aside and never think about it.
That is the reality of it, if anything rebirth is just a silly way to avoid the reality of once you are 6 feet under there isn't coming back up for a visit. Your enlightenment sounds like nothing more then hiding yourself from facts while preaching that everyone else is ignorant for not having a similar view.
probably shouldn't bother with this
Being aware of something doesn't change it, actions do and unless you are taking action you aren't helping shit.
how can you take an action without being aware of what it is you need to do? and btw, are these not actions right now? debating these things? if you think they aren't, sure shows what you know. it's affecting you and everyone else who is reading it. The high horse attitude is you thinking you are some level above everyone else and think about all these deep thoughts and no one else does? I assure you everyone contemplates death many many times through out their lives and what happens afterwards. To me believing in afterlife is akin to believing in god - its just a fairytale to comfort you from the realities of life. When I said actions change things I am referring to the things like rape, murder, and all that good shit. Knowing about it doesn't change the realities of it happening , nor does having some philosophical debate on a forum about whether or not you should kill a bird. Its not what you know, its what you can do. Obviously you have to know to do..that is common sense its how you use that knowledge that makes the difference.
Pretty much exactly what I was getting at, but a bit more blunt. I didn't really want to bring religion into this blog because that would probably derail it a bit, but religion does directly create and encourage ignorance. It is in fact one of the primary 'selling points' of religion, "How does this work...?", "I don't know, God must have done it".
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On July 06 2010 13:01 SLTorak.Hobo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 12:47 travis wrote:On July 06 2010 12:42 SLTorak.Hobo wrote:
Seems to me you are taking a high horse attitude simply because you believe in rebirth and spiritual enlightenment. High Horse attitude? You mean.. having an opinion and expressing it?
Being open to ideas doesn't make you any more bright then the guy sitting next to you who is oblivious to the world dicking around on an Iphone. I mean come on confronting the prospect of death? Everyone learns from a young age you are gonna die some day.
what does that have to do with anything? Sure they learn it, and then they set it aside and never think about it.
That is the reality of it, if anything rebirth is just a silly way to avoid the reality of once you are 6 feet under there isn't coming back up for a visit. Your enlightenment sounds like nothing more then hiding yourself from facts while preaching that everyone else is ignorant for not having a similar view.
probably shouldn't bother with this
Being aware of something doesn't change it, actions do and unless you are taking action you aren't helping shit.
how can you take an action without being aware of what it is you need to do? and btw, are these not actions right now? debating these things? if you think they aren't, sure shows what you know. it's affecting you and everyone else who is reading it. The high horse attitude is you thinking you are some level above everyone else and think about all these deep thoughts and no one else does?
I think I am more mentally clear and understanding than most people, but certainly not everyone, nor even everyone around these parts. Regardless, I treat all individuals politely and with respect. I have no interest in being fake.
I assure you everyone contemplates death many many times through out their lives and what happens afterwards. To me believing in afterlife is akin to believing in god - its just a fairytale to comfort you from the realities of life.
I don't think they actually do, not seriously. And I don't believe in "afterlife". I believe in rebirth.
When I said actions change things I am referring to the things like rape, murder, and all that good shit. Knowing about it doesn't change the realities of it happening , nor does having some philosophical debate on a forum about whether or not you should kill a bird. Its not what you know, its what you can do. Obviously you have to know to do..that is common sense its how you use that knowledge that makes the difference.
I have interest in completely figuring things out for myself, it's why I start discussions like these, knowing that I will have tons of dissidence and most likely be put down repeatedly. Once my mind is completely clear I will know the correct actions.
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On July 06 2010 13:08 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 12:52 DeathByMonkeys wrote:On July 06 2010 12:37 travis wrote:On July 06 2010 12:01 DeathByMonkeys wrote:On July 06 2010 10:30 travis wrote:
How is there a shitload you're better off not knowing? Could you please explain to me the benefit of ignorance? Let me assure you that ignorant people suffer more in the long run than people who challenge theirselves to gain acceptance of reality. Not to mention they are weaker, stupider, more naive, and more foolish.
And what is QC?
Why does spellcheck want me to put a hyphen in "theirselves". Is that not one word? And if it isn't, why not? Ignorance != stupidity/weakness/foolishness There is definitely stuff you're better off not knowing about. For example, all the pre-teens being brutally raped around the world, people being slayed and burned alive, people being tortured in all sorts of god awful ways (extremities cut off, acid poured in their eyes, electrocution, water boarding, whatever the thing is that stretches people 'till they're ripped apart), heroin addicts going through withdrawals (not too mention women selling their bodies for it, or boyfriends doing it for them [watch Requiem for a Dream]), all the suffering, people dying extremely slow/painful deaths from AIDs and such. The list goes on. Also many less extreme things. For example if you knew how half the food you ate was made/prepared you would probably throw up. Also if you knew what it took for you to get the shoes on your feet made and things of this nature. These types of things just to name a few, and I'm sure this is a mild list compared to what is actually happening around the world as I type this, but alas I'm ignorant to a lot of it. To address your saying ignorance makes you stupid/weak/foolish, that is just ridiculous. Ignorance is legitimately not knowing something, being stupid is knowing yet still "playing dumb". You can't just blame people and accuse them of being weak because they don't know everything, that is absolutely horrible. I'm sure there are millions of people far more wise than you and far less foolish, but you may have a degree and know a few more things that were written in a book somewhere making you a bit less ignorant. I disagree with most of what you say. I would prefer to know about all of that. And btw I mean ignorance in the sense of a lack of understanding, not a lack of knowledge. Also, that isn't what being stupid is. Being stupid is lacking mental sharpness, and it certainly comes with a lack of understanding. What exactly is a lack of understanding? Like a lack of knowing how quantum mechanics works? No, that would be a lack of knowledge. Knowledge is information, data. Understanding transcends that. If you know how to apply a concept, you understand it. If you can describe the concept, you have knowledge. You can read about a concept all you want but you can't apply it unless you understand it. Show nested quote +
To follow up on the terrible things happening in the world. You may want to know about all of that, but the simple fact is that most people can't handle that kind of information. Also you say you would like to know about such things, if someone provided you with links of videos of 6 year old girls being raped, or people being lit on fire and brutally tortured would you watch them? Not only would you watch them, but would you feel better about yourself afterwards for gaining that information?
I don't need the information I just need to understand that it happens and why. Show nested quote +
About being stupid, everyone on the planet can't be the smartest, or least stupid I should say. Just like you or I can't be 7'4" and play in the NBA. There has to be smart people out there and not as smart people out there or the world wouldn't 'go round'. You think if all the blue collar workers out there who didn't get a decent education knew how shitty they were actually being treated that they would take it? Or if all the soldiers out there knew how many families they were ruining by killing the enemy, if they knew how much pain and suffering they were going to put someone through, do you still think they would do it?
I am not sure exactly what you are saying. I think people can improve theirselves.
Ok this is getting a bit ridiculous, I don't really know what you want out of this blog. This is getting way too deep into like the meta-analysis of ignorance and stupidity. I don't know if you're in a quest to become omniscient or something, but you're starting to tie things like religion and semantics of ignorance into this.
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On July 06 2010 13:12 Barrin wrote:This might frighten you but, you know, wanting to die isn't as "ridiculous" as you want to believe. *clear throat* "In 2006, [suicide] was the eleventh leading cause of death in the U.S., accounting for 33,300 deaths." http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/suicide-in-the-us-statistics-and-prevention/index.shtml#CDC-Web-Tool <--- .gov Honestly, I don't mean for you to feel bad or anything man. I am only 21, and I had struggled with the ideas of death half my life ago (including attempting suicide)... I don't think you really understand as much about what really is "right" as you think you do. That said, nobody does. Perhaps by definition, the only people who really understand what is "right" are the people who we say knows. So essentially, we say what's right even though we don't really know ourselves. If it was cut and dry, then I guarantee you debates like these would have been obsolete a looooooong time ago.
There is no harm in taking a stance and defending it. Let me assure you I don't feel bad about anything regarding this discussion. I don't think your statistics on suicide really apply to whether or not I should kill the bird. I certainly know that a lot of people commit suicide...
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we are all going to die. this is going in circles.
If someone has a terminal illness, and they suffer - they should be put to death even if they want to live?
Thats a whole different debate to be honest, this was a bird that a cat mauled, not a person with terminal illness who wants to live. That being said depending on the level of pain and condition the person is in maybe it is better. There is a ton of variables that I am not gonna bother getting into cause like I said its a whole different ball game.
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On July 06 2010 13:17 Barrin wrote:Is this a joke...?
No. You said that you think everyone contemplates death multiple times before they die. I think that while they may think about it from time to time, most people are much too shallow for serious contemplation of any sort whatsoever. They would much rather focus on some desire or goal, and move on to the next one, and so forth and so forth.
On July 06 2010 13:19 Barrin wrote:Show nested quote +I have interest in completely figuring things out for myself, it's why I start discussions like these, knowing that I will have tons of dissidence and most likely be put down repeatedly. Once my mind is completely clear I will know the correct actions. Your confidence is admirable. However, guess what comes before a fall.
I believe that's pride. And I don't mind falling, I am pretty good at getting back up.
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On July 06 2010 12:21 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 11:42 SLTorak.Hobo wrote:
People aren't animals, we could discuss it happening with humans but thats a whole different topic. Sit with it till it died? What fucking good would that do to be honest, I don't know what silly belief system you have but I know I'd personally rather end something then watch it suffer. As far as rebirth goes what does that have to do with you killing it? Would that not speed up the process? Or am I in a different reality. You are trying to be way too spiritual about something simple. The cat had the bird to a state where it wouldn't move and by your description it wouldn't recover, even if the bird didn't know that you, as a person, were able to comprehend that and chose to let it die slow instead of quick and merciful. Don't say you are compassionate because that is anything but.
you would kill it because you don't like that it is suffering, right? but this disregards that it wants to live. as for everything else i said, it was replying to each part of what you said. Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 11:45 koreasilver wrote:On July 06 2010 11:11 travis wrote:On July 06 2010 10:59 koreasilver wrote:On July 06 2010 10:52 travis wrote:On July 06 2010 10:46 danl9rm wrote:
great blog dude. you are very right, except for your opening statement "many people, if not all people, have moments of purposeful ignorance." with this statement your are just "sorta right." in fact, all people have moments of purposeful ignorance. not necessarily. there are some very wise people out there, there are probably even enlightened people out there - there are a lot of people on the earth and a lot of people in pursuit of it. most of them don't post on the internetz. they live in caves and monasteries and huts But doesn't this form of asceticism change the the ignorance with avoidance? It is still running away from the issue, just in a different form. No, do you know what enlightenment is? I could explain it to you. But I would prefer if first you told me what you think it is. It is much more than ascetism, that really doesn't describe it. (please don't copy or look up something online. just try to use your own words without referencing something else. that way we could actually get somewhere) if this post was your answer could you please rephrase it and/or stick to just the actual question, as a favor to me - so as to make it easier to reply to. if you wanted to pm me to discuss something like this I would gladly discuss it via pm. I don't believe in the concept of enlightenment in the form of Buddhism. The entire concept of breaking free of Samsara through the renunciation of all attachment and of the ego, the self, is ludicrous to me. I believe in the joyful affirmation of life despite the absurdity of it. The Eastern concept of enlightenment is but an escape, not a revolt or the effort to internalize the No of existence. I have always thought Buddhism is fundamentally nihilistic even if it is in a different way of the type of nihilism that permeates in Western thought as it is a far more peaceful and calm way of it. The ultimate reality of Buddhism is the cease of all existence and meaning. If all things are fundamentally nonexistent as Hui-Neng has said, then there is no meaning. If the ultimate reality is nothingness, then how can you possibly not be nihilistic? I asked for you to tell me what you think enlightenment is. until i know that we can't really go anywhere in this conversation because we are likely talking about different things. Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 11:46 danl9rm wrote:On July 06 2010 10:52 travis wrote:On July 06 2010 10:46 danl9rm wrote:
great blog dude. you are very right, except for your opening statement "many people, if not all people, have moments of purposeful ignorance." with this statement your are just "sorta right." in fact, all people have moments of purposeful ignorance. not necessarily. there are some very wise people out there, there are probably even enlightened people out there - there are a lot of people on the earth and a lot of people in pursuit of it. most of them don't post on the internetz. they live in caves and monasteries and huts that's just where we'll have to disagree then, because by that assessment, you must believe there are perfect people in existence. because if there weren't perfect people, then they could not perform this way. this is not to say that people that are always reflective are perfect, but one would surely have to be perfect in order to never miss a time to reflect. so, while i do believe in perfection, i believe humankind only ever witnessed it once. I'd have to ask you the same thing as koreasilver and say "what do you think enlightenment is?"
I don't believe in enlightenment at all. I believe we are all imperfect and, so long as we're on earth, always will be.
If you want to know more, I will go beyond that.
edit: wow at the travis-bashing. i didn't read 100% of it, but this blog is completely legitimate insofar as i've read it. if he is seeking the truth, or to further define his understanding of it, why all the veiling?
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Just out of curiosity what religion in particular are you following? Or guidelines? You remind me of a friend who was heavily into Falun Gong and had the same approach. Rebirth is a life after you die, hence it is the same thing as an afterlife - it happens after your first life. Lets not debate names and terms because the end product is the same idea.
That being said I think you would be quite surprised on how much people consider death given we are surrounded by it in every medium. Everyone at some point in their life wonders what happens once we die, most of us realize that its fruitless effort and move on but the idea is always in the back of our heads.
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On July 06 2010 13:20 danl9rm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 12:21 travis wrote:On July 06 2010 11:42 SLTorak.Hobo wrote:
People aren't animals, we could discuss it happening with humans but thats a whole different topic. Sit with it till it died? What fucking good would that do to be honest, I don't know what silly belief system you have but I know I'd personally rather end something then watch it suffer. As far as rebirth goes what does that have to do with you killing it? Would that not speed up the process? Or am I in a different reality. You are trying to be way too spiritual about something simple. The cat had the bird to a state where it wouldn't move and by your description it wouldn't recover, even if the bird didn't know that you, as a person, were able to comprehend that and chose to let it die slow instead of quick and merciful. Don't say you are compassionate because that is anything but.
you would kill it because you don't like that it is suffering, right? but this disregards that it wants to live. as for everything else i said, it was replying to each part of what you said. On July 06 2010 11:45 koreasilver wrote:On July 06 2010 11:11 travis wrote:On July 06 2010 10:59 koreasilver wrote:On July 06 2010 10:52 travis wrote:On July 06 2010 10:46 danl9rm wrote:
great blog dude. you are very right, except for your opening statement "many people, if not all people, have moments of purposeful ignorance." with this statement your are just "sorta right." in fact, all people have moments of purposeful ignorance. not necessarily. there are some very wise people out there, there are probably even enlightened people out there - there are a lot of people on the earth and a lot of people in pursuit of it. most of them don't post on the internetz. they live in caves and monasteries and huts But doesn't this form of asceticism change the the ignorance with avoidance? It is still running away from the issue, just in a different form. No, do you know what enlightenment is? I could explain it to you. But I would prefer if first you told me what you think it is. It is much more than ascetism, that really doesn't describe it. (please don't copy or look up something online. just try to use your own words without referencing something else. that way we could actually get somewhere) if this post was your answer could you please rephrase it and/or stick to just the actual question, as a favor to me - so as to make it easier to reply to. if you wanted to pm me to discuss something like this I would gladly discuss it via pm. I don't believe in the concept of enlightenment in the form of Buddhism. The entire concept of breaking free of Samsara through the renunciation of all attachment and of the ego, the self, is ludicrous to me. I believe in the joyful affirmation of life despite the absurdity of it. The Eastern concept of enlightenment is but an escape, not a revolt or the effort to internalize the No of existence. I have always thought Buddhism is fundamentally nihilistic even if it is in a different way of the type of nihilism that permeates in Western thought as it is a far more peaceful and calm way of it. The ultimate reality of Buddhism is the cease of all existence and meaning. If all things are fundamentally nonexistent as Hui-Neng has said, then there is no meaning. If the ultimate reality is nothingness, then how can you possibly not be nihilistic? I asked for you to tell me what you think enlightenment is. until i know that we can't really go anywhere in this conversation because we are likely talking about different things. On July 06 2010 11:46 danl9rm wrote:On July 06 2010 10:52 travis wrote:On July 06 2010 10:46 danl9rm wrote:
great blog dude. you are very right, except for your opening statement "many people, if not all people, have moments of purposeful ignorance." with this statement your are just "sorta right." in fact, all people have moments of purposeful ignorance. not necessarily. there are some very wise people out there, there are probably even enlightened people out there - there are a lot of people on the earth and a lot of people in pursuit of it. most of them don't post on the internetz. they live in caves and monasteries and huts that's just where we'll have to disagree then, because by that assessment, you must believe there are perfect people in existence. because if there weren't perfect people, then they could not perform this way. this is not to say that people that are always reflective are perfect, but one would surely have to be perfect in order to never miss a time to reflect. so, while i do believe in perfection, i believe humankind only ever witnessed it once. I'd have to ask you the same thing as koreasilver and say "what do you think enlightenment is?" I don't believe in enlightenment at all. I believe we are all imperfect and, so long as we're on earth, always will be. If you want to know more, I will go beyond that.
I'd like that. Could you explain what you mean by perfect? I believe we are all imperfect as well, even enlightened people. I do not consider enlightenment to have anything to do with perfection, just with acceptance.
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On July 06 2010 13:15 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 13:01 SLTorak.Hobo wrote:On July 06 2010 12:47 travis wrote:On July 06 2010 12:42 SLTorak.Hobo wrote:
Seems to me you are taking a high horse attitude simply because you believe in rebirth and spiritual enlightenment. High Horse attitude? You mean.. having an opinion and expressing it?
Being open to ideas doesn't make you any more bright then the guy sitting next to you who is oblivious to the world dicking around on an Iphone. I mean come on confronting the prospect of death? Everyone learns from a young age you are gonna die some day.
what does that have to do with anything? Sure they learn it, and then they set it aside and never think about it.
That is the reality of it, if anything rebirth is just a silly way to avoid the reality of once you are 6 feet under there isn't coming back up for a visit. Your enlightenment sounds like nothing more then hiding yourself from facts while preaching that everyone else is ignorant for not having a similar view.
probably shouldn't bother with this
Being aware of something doesn't change it, actions do and unless you are taking action you aren't helping shit.
how can you take an action without being aware of what it is you need to do? and btw, are these not actions right now? debating these things? if you think they aren't, sure shows what you know. it's affecting you and everyone else who is reading it. The high horse attitude is you thinking you are some level above everyone else and think about all these deep thoughts and no one else does? I think I am more mentally clear and understanding than most people, but certainly not everyone, nor even everyone around these parts. Regardless, I treat all individuals politely and with respect. I have no interest in being fake. Show nested quote +
I assure you everyone contemplates death many many times through out their lives and what happens afterwards. To me believing in afterlife is akin to believing in god - its just a fairytale to comfort you from the realities of life.
I don't think they actually do, not seriously. And I don't believe in "afterlife". I believe in rebirth. Show nested quote +
When I said actions change things I am referring to the things like rape, murder, and all that good shit. Knowing about it doesn't change the realities of it happening , nor does having some philosophical debate on a forum about whether or not you should kill a bird. Its not what you know, its what you can do. Obviously you have to know to do..that is common sense its how you use that knowledge that makes the difference.
I have interest in completely figuring things out for myself, it's why I start discussions like these, knowing that I will have tons of dissidence and most likely be put down repeatedly. Once my mind is completely clear I will know the correct actions.
Normally I hate people who derail threads with stupid comments but...
Dude, I think you've been chiefing on the pipe a little too long.
You sound like just about every other religious person, trying to get more out of life than there actually is. Also it does sound like you're riding in on your high horse and coming off as a prude.
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