EPTPurposeful ignorance - Page 3
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On July 06 2010 11:55 HeavOnEarth wrote: i always thought in several cases that purposeful ignorance would be more efficient? Sometimes you dont have time to think about everything, and sometimes it's probably better not to, Like a businessman being purposely ignorant and feeding his family, as opposed to one who searches the for truth and loses all his money , wife , family. Or like, you see a person getting killed , and the only way to save him is to risk death yourself bad examples, but hopefully see what i mean Ignorance is bliss but only until there is a problem that arises from it, and then it's hell because you are lost. Many people are lost. And the ignoramus may not be lost in this life but he will surely be lost in the next. of course like everyone else you probably don't believe in rebirth. But I can say this - the man who doesn't confront the prospect of death will be afraid to die, and will surely suffer should he have to face it. Also, in your example, there is no saying which man suffers more in his life. And this all doesn't even put into the equation how ignorance effects other beings. | ||
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koreasilver
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in your words. you don't have to use terms like samsara, just use every day english terms. | ||
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On July 06 2010 12:01 DeathByMonkeys wrote: Ignorance != stupidity/weakness/foolishness There is definitely stuff you're better off not knowing about. For example, all the pre-teens being brutally raped around the world, people being slayed and burned alive, people being tortured in all sorts of god awful ways (extremities cut off, acid poured in their eyes, electrocution, water boarding, whatever the thing is that stretches people 'till they're ripped apart), heroin addicts going through withdrawals (not too mention women selling their bodies for it, or boyfriends doing it for them [watch Requiem for a Dream]), all the suffering, people dying extremely slow/painful deaths from AIDs and such. The list goes on. Also many less extreme things. For example if you knew how half the food you ate was made/prepared you would probably throw up. Also if you knew what it took for you to get the shoes on your feet made and things of this nature. These types of things just to name a few, and I'm sure this is a mild list compared to what is actually happening around the world as I type this, but alas I'm ignorant to a lot of it. To address your saying ignorance makes you stupid/weak/foolish, that is just ridiculous. Ignorance is legitimately not knowing something, being stupid is knowing yet still "playing dumb". You can't just blame people and accuse them of being weak because they don't know everything, that is absolutely horrible. I'm sure there are millions of people far more wise than you and far less foolish, but you may have a degree and know a few more things that were written in a book somewhere making you a bit less ignorant. I disagree with most of what you say. I would prefer to know about all of that. And btw I mean ignorance in the sense of a lack of understanding, not a lack of knowledge. Also, that isn't what being stupid is. Being stupid is lacking mental sharpness, and it certainly comes with a lack of understanding. | ||
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Saechiis
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On July 06 2010 12:15 enzym wrote: if you reread that closely you will notice that what you are saying boils down to "it is better to leave these things as they are instead of trying to fix/prevent them". in order to change those things you need to be aware of them. do you rather want to continue eating crap, or would you like it to be known to people so that measures can be taken against it? are you ok with rape, torture, murder, genocide, slavery or are you not and therefor have to want to end and prevent it? be careful with where your reasoning leads. if you are in favor of ignorance you are in favor of letting all of these things happen. im not sure that that is what you wanted to say. i could have phrased that much shorter. ignorance serves the status quo. also, ignorance includes not striving to get to know the truth btw, not just not knowing. nobody knows everything, but once you stop caring to find out all progress is stalled. Enzym, I don't want to crush your utopian beliefs, but are you saying you spend every second of every day fighting: "rape, torture, murder, genocide, slavery"? Because if you aren't, by you standards you'd be a bad person and a hypocrit. I think that in order for man to be "enlightened", they have to accept that they cannot control everything around them. There is no such thing as a perfect being, but a lot of people suffer because they feel like they have to be one. Instead of trying your whole life to become something that doesn't exist, wouldn't it be better to just enjoy your life while it lasts? Wouldn't you being able to enjoy your life and doing so be a tribute to those who are suffering at the time? or would they be better served with you being miserable because they are? Saying that people don't care when they choose not to worry about things they cannot control, is offensive and not based on truth. | ||
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You're right, I don't. But are you just being argumentative or do you think it actually wants to die? Because I believe that is ridiculous. Also it's amazing how many of you would judge the situation when you didn't even experience it. | ||
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SLTorak.Hobo
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EDIT: You're right we weren't there but we are able to draw conclusions from what you described. What the bird wants is irrelevant to what is going to happen. | ||
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d3_crescentia
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we all engage in purposeful ignorance because we're bombarded with information we don't necessarily need to live, like reading this blog | ||
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On July 06 2010 12:42 SLTorak.Hobo wrote: Seems to me you are taking a high horse attitude simply because you believe in rebirth and spiritual enlightenment. High Horse attitude? You mean.. having an opinion and expressing it? Being open to ideas doesn't make you any more bright then the guy sitting next to you who is oblivious to the world dicking around on an Iphone. I mean come on confronting the prospect of death? Everyone learns from a young age you are gonna die some day. what does that have to do with anything? Sure they learn it, and then they set it aside and never think about it. That is the reality of it, if anything rebirth is just a silly way to avoid the reality of once you are 6 feet under there isn't coming back up for a visit. Your enlightenment sounds like nothing more then hiding yourself from facts while preaching that everyone else is ignorant for not having a similar view. probably shouldn't bother with this Being aware of something doesn't change it, actions do and unless you are taking action you aren't helping shit. how can you take an action without being aware of what it is you need to do? and btw, are these not actions right now? debating these things? if you think they aren't, sure shows what you know. it's affecting you and everyone else who is reading it. | ||
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On July 06 2010 12:43 Barrin wrote: I am bringing up a flaw in your logic, which is generally the way people become less ignorant. the flaw was in my semantics, not my logic. instead of saying "I think it would want to live" I said something closer to "I know it wants to live". I think it's interesting how you are quick to assume that something very similar couldn't have happened to other people. Happens every hour of every day in every country bro. I didn't assume any such thing. What are you talking about? That aside, I don't see how asking a question is judging at all. I wasn't talking about you. | ||
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koreasilver
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On July 06 2010 12:34 travis wrote: korea: that is what I was talking about. but it's not just buddhist concept. I actually thought I updated that post to explain better what it is I wanted from you but apparently it didn't update. I sounded much less like an asshole in the updated post. I just want you to answer what you think it would mean for a man to be enlightened. What has he accomplished. in your words. you don't have to use terms like samsara, just use every day english terms. They are my words. I haven't read Buddhism in a very long time now but it was the first religion I studied after my original apostasy from Christianity. but what are we talking about? Enlightenment as a transcendental spiritual consciousness or of an awareness? I don't believe in enlightenment in such a way. I wouldn't describe any of the processes or ends in my beliefs as "enlightenment". I strongly believe that all human beings are ignorant and can not be free from ignorance because of the limitations of our being. We as finite beings can not transcend our ignorance within our finite existence. As such, there can not be an enlightened man and so I can not comment on what such a man could have accomplished; as he is nonexistent. | ||
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On July 06 2010 12:50 Barrin wrote: Oh yeah I totally meant to mention that two of my posts ago, but I had a brainfart  how is it irrelevant? do you not believe in freedom? or just not for birds? | ||
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DeathByMonkeys
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On July 06 2010 12:37 travis wrote: I disagree with most of what you say. I would prefer to know about all of that. And btw I mean ignorance in the sense of a lack of understanding, not a lack of knowledge. Also, that isn't what being stupid is. Being stupid is lacking mental sharpness, and it certainly comes with a lack of understanding. What exactly is a lack of understanding? Like a lack of knowing how quantum mechanics works? To follow up on the terrible things happening in the world. You may want to know about all of that, but the simple fact is that most people can't handle that kind of information. Also you say you would like to know about such things, if someone provided you with links of videos of 6 year old girls being raped, or people being lit on fire and brutally tortured would you watch them? Not only would you watch them, but would you feel better about yourself afterwards for gaining that information? About being stupid, everyone on the planet can't be the smartest, or least stupid I should say. Just like you or I can't be 7'4" and play in the NBA. There has to be smart people out there and not as smart people out there or the world wouldn't 'go round'. You think if all the blue collar workers out there who didn't get a decent education knew how shitty they were actually being treated that they would take it? Or if all the soldiers out there knew how many families they were ruining by killing the enemy, if they knew how much pain and suffering they were going to put someone through, do you still think they would do it? | ||
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