Honestly, just watch Day[9] Vods. Keep his tips fresh in your mind, practice, rinse and repeat. A couple hours of "SC lessons" will not change your play noticeably.

Gretorp

United States586 Posts

January 07 2010 03:48 GMT

#144

On January 07 2010 12:26 superbabosheki wrote:
Honestly, just watch Day[9] Vods. Keep his tips fresh in your mind, practice, rinse and repeat. A couple hours of "SC lessons" will not change your play noticeably.

As a regular commentator and a personal teacher, there are some things that you just can't go into detail unless you work with someone. I'm probably one of the few that can say that too and streaming sessions about overall gameplay, keeping in mind your target audience is such a large spectrum, is extremely different than gearing your lesson to a specific person or a group of individuals.

You can't just say that what you think theoretically works for you works for everyone else. Everyone is different and everyone learns different. You can't just say what works for you works for everyone. Please stop trying to undermine the legitimacy of teaching Starcraft one on one as there really aren't any valid points with any bit of substance. Yes there exist free forms of learning Starcraft. I can argue that if i know everything on liquipedia, I will be a top foreigner but it isn't feasible. The learning everything in liquipedia or everything from a single commentator is a massive task that is too big too exhaust all ways of learning the game, and these mediums can't even touch one on one in many aspects.

Jonoman92

United States9109 Posts

January 07 2010 04:03 GMT

#145

As pr0terg said, watching an instructional VOD is helpful in some ways. However, having an excellent player go over your play and point out mistakes and areas upon which you can improve is huge and will definitely facilitate the speed at which any player can improve.

MeyvNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

United States7 Posts

January 07 2010 07:20 GMT

#146

mod edit - you are a moron

Salv

Canada3083 Posts

January 07 2010 07:44 GMT

#147

I realize InControl is most likely capable of giving really advanced personal advice to a player, but I would think that most players interested in this endeavor would be between the D- to C- ranks. When teaching players at this level [which I have personally done many times], it's difficult to explain advanced concepts about scouting, cues, game sense etc. You need to start basic and then slowly introduce those concepts. What I am saying is, while InControl is perfectly capable of providing the foundation for improving as a player, I think that information can be found readily and easily for free. I would expect a Zerg of C+ or B- quality to be able to improve a D Zerg player very similarly to InControl up until a certain point, which would most likely be C+ or B-. That's fine, and at that point I would say InControl's personal training would be beneficial, but I am skeptical about the amount of players at this level that would pay for training.

That paragraph seems scattered, basically I am saying that I think the audience that would be interested in paying InControl can receive the same quality basic foundational advice for free elsewhere, and for players that are at the level where InControl's advice is most useful, I wouldn't expect there to be much of a market. Of course this is all speculation, perhaps most of InControls pupils are between the C+ - B ranks.

iNcontroL

USA29055 Posts

January 07 2010 09:09 GMT

#148

The debate about "watch vods for better/same advice" and the "this only helps better players (and the same has been said about worse players ironically) is both tired guys

a. vods help. Training sessions help more. Their money is spent on something they enjoy, leave it be.

b. No. I have equally helped a D- player as well as a B+ player and both needed help with their game and received it. Speculating on who i can help more is doing nobody good.. let them decide if I can help (btw, so far the results and the reports have all been good).

FakeSteve[TPR]

Valhalla18444 Posts

January 07 2010 09:27 GMT

#149

starcraft is a lot more complicated than some of you seem to think

iNcontroL

USA29055 Posts

January 07 2010 22:28 GMT

#150

indeed

tonight

United States11130 Posts

January 07 2010 22:31 GMT

#151

This game is all point and click.

iNcontroL

USA29055 Posts

January 08 2010 08:18 GMT

#152

Probably lol

MaRiNe23

United States747 Posts

January 08 2010 11:05 GMT

#153

I think alot of koreans would stand by me on this but alot of the learning process can be done simply by watching starcraft vods and listening to the korean commentators alone. They give thorough, detailed analysis from the start of the game till the end and gives strategic insight about the map.

Things such as rush distance, number of gas expo's, strategic places to put ur tanks(like on blue storm the area behind the nat while using barrack to get vision), and when longinus was first introduced how the extra mineral patch in the main allowed u to pump a ton of marines in tvz. These are just the common things that are mentioned but of course they go much more in-depth than this. Sadly this only applies if you understand korean which sucks becuz alot of my friends who love this game have the desire to improve and mass game, but just blindly copy the progamers without knowing the reason behind it.

But if they knew korean, the announcers go over every detail and what each sides need to be donig to make a comeback. And build orders is a simple matter as u just set the replay in slow speed and copy it verbatum.

Once you learn the build order and have a general understanding of the game through sc vods, you just have to play people that are better than you and just get in the habit of doing everything(building depots on time so u dont get ur supply stuck, constant peon pump, putting an scv in the zerg's third gas expo spot before mutas come out in tvz, etc).

This is just my opinion and what poor ppl like me can do as an alternative. I hope this post doesn't sound like I'm shooting down incontrol becuz i know he's a good player who understands this game but for a college student like me with no job, I'm just better off playing games with him and watching the replay to see where i went wrong. Mostly this game is about repetition and reacting to what the opponent is doing with good scouting.

But for non-korean speaking ppl you can still learn through day[9]'s podcast. He even plays the same race as incontrol. I don't remember who said it but someone mentioned that it would take at least 5 lessons for someone in the D ranks to get good. There are so many resources out there already to learn the basics of this game and although incontrol's guidance would speed up the process, I think this lesson would be more helpful for someone in the C to C+ ranks that hit a brick wall that wants to reach the B and upper B ranks. Becuz by the time ur C level, you have the basics of this game and do things like constant peon production+making overlords on time so ur supply doesn't get stuck - by habit.

Incontrol can of course teach these things but in the end you just have to do it on your own through endless repetition till u can do them by habit.

For a C+ player who already has all of the basics down, incontrol would be very beneficial as to get to the upper B ranks requires more than mechanics alone(this part im not sure of becuz i've never gotten upper B so I wouldn't know which is where incontrol would be very helpful in helping a player get past that brick wall to the next level or rank). Basically I'm trying to say for someone who already has the basics down, incontrol's lesson would be cost effective becuz he is an A level player and knows what it takes to get there.

Sorry if anything was unclear, I'm writing this at 5am so I'm going to bed now.

Caphe

Vietnam10817 Posts

January 08 2010 11:45 GMT

#154

On January 08 2010 20:05 MaRiNe23 wrote:
I think alot of Koreans would stand by me on this but alot of the learning process can be done simply by watching starcraft vods and listening to the korean commentators alone. They give thorough, detailed analysis from the start of the game till the end and gives strategic insight about the map.

I stop reading after the first paragraph.
You have to understand Korean in the first place

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Come on people, the man is just offering his service to the community with a very reasonable price and absolutely OPTIONAL.
I see nothing to argue here. Dont like it? Never click the title in the first place. This is in a freaking Blogs section. It meant to be a private thread that the OP can post whatever he wants.

TheosEx

United States894 Posts

January 08 2010 12:21 GMT

#155

Even if you think Inc. sucked, it's an optional service. It doesn't make sense to get upset over someone selling something that you wouldn't buy. Just don't but it, obviously. Even if this logic makes sense, and it doesn't, there are a shitton more crap out there that are even more ridiculous. You ever go to a "Karate Class?" Those mother fuckers are paying something like $500 a month at some places, basically to get treated like retard special ops, get their asses kicked by some power-trippin' dumbass, and wear power ranger uniforms.

Also, it's $10 for fuck's sake. Before I opened this thread, I didn't even think I would ever consider taking classes. I'm the kind of person who doesn't like to pay someone else for something I can do on my own. But once I saw it was only $10, I was like "WTF? That's it?" I might just even buy a couple hours for shits and giggles. We spend way more than that on way dumber shits and giggles (i.e. night out at movies, food, etc.). And if you learn something, this is going to affect something we like and will like for a long time coming. If you don't learn anything, just think of it as money spent on a bad movie.

iNcontroL

USA29055 Posts

January 08 2010 22:31 GMT

#156

Yup. Just h ad a few good sessions.. hit me up people;

Vequeth

United Kingdom1116 Posts

January 09 2010 00:40 GMT

#157

Had a great session with Inc this evening, put in 2 hours and they just flew by. Very good at spotting the key problems in my play, such as timings, theories and strategy. It works as a great confidence builder too which certainly helps you play vs unknown iccup people. Sadly the first game I played after the session was a 300apm korean but that wont damper my ambition.

Next time I take some fish's stack on Fulltilt ill probably come back with a different matchup, cheers Inc!