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TLnet Poll - So far, has HotS been more entertaining than…

So far, has HotS been more entertaining than WoL at the professional level? :

Not enough information to decide. (8523)37%
Yes. (8203)35%
No. (3563)15%
Fairly even. (2990)13%

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k1w1
Profile Joined September 2012
United States22 Posts
February 26 2013 14:29 GMT
#1
HotS has the advantage of being played by not top tier players so strats and build orders are materializing slower so I think there's a lot more of just going with a gut feeling in certain situations which can lead itself to more entertaining play. Also WoL having many stagnant match ups doesn't help.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
February 26 2013 14:29 GMT
#2
I think it has, so much new stuff, many match-ups look much more exciting right now and with the metagame developing I'm sure new interesting stuff will keep popping up for at least a few months to come.
CoL_DarkstaR
Profile Joined January 2009
Germany649 Posts
February 26 2013 14:35 GMT
#3
haven't seen many new things to be honest. deathball appears to be still there and the new units are either overused or underused
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-26 20:14:24
February 26 2013 14:54 GMT
#4
I've been enjoying HotS so far because there is more variety in mid-game compositions and has less of that late-game deathball syndrome that ruined WoL's entertainment factor. There still is a degree of fixing needed in balancing, but so far, HotS has been a great breath fresh of air in the game. It still is too early to make a judgement, but I'm liking it so far.
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Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
February 26 2013 15:24 GMT
#5
I need a full major tournament of HotS before I can really answer.
NMxSardines
Profile Joined February 2012
77 Posts
February 26 2013 16:02 GMT
#6
It was certainly a lot more fun - just that it looks like there are a LOT more viable unit compositions from either old or new units. I just hope this variety continues, I don't want players to find an overpowered combination of just 2 or 3 units.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-26 16:29:18
February 26 2013 16:16 GMT
#7
Dear god yes. Yeah I know, try not to get too giddy, remember WoL once looked like it had a bright future too with 2011 ZvT and bearable ZvP. Then 2012 happened, where I feel that the only match ups that aged well were TvT and ZvZ (haters gonna hate) . ZvZ in particular found itself significantly better than from where it started.

Still though, I'm optimistic that 2-3 years from now when LotV is around the corner HotS won't have fallen to the degree that WoL did. I just feel like the tools have been set in place to make HotS a more challenging game with less turtling and actual action in the early stages of the game instead of NR 8-10 min. Death balls are still here though :/
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CamoPillbox
Profile Joined April 2012
Czech Republic229 Posts
February 26 2013 16:18 GMT
#8
not enought information cause there is still many questions about balance of matchups after release we will be more clever about this topic.....
Czech Terran(Hots) player
Skoven
Profile Joined May 2012
Denmark13 Posts
February 26 2013 16:46 GMT
#9
Yes, I think so under the parameters of the question (in which the "Not enough information" answer is a cop out). We definitily see exciting and more diverse game play, additionally we see more abilities, which raises the skill ceiling.

Zerg feels more like the race should (in my opinion), we get to see Hydras, and they have nice synergy with the Viper. I suspect we will get to see some awesome re-maxing armies in late games, rather than just "super" armies.

Terran are just pretty cool, I really like how creative the Widowmines allow players to be. Making mech more viable is pretty cool, I just hope they don't end up forcing bio out completely.

Protoss is just simply more fun now, the Forge fast expand isn't fun compared to the Gateway expand. Sky-toss is awesome (maybe too awesome), and I think the Oracle will be quite influential once players get good with them and we get out of the "blind-counter" phase.
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-26 16:53:21
February 26 2013 16:52 GMT
#10
What is this question...
It's a new game, so of course it will be fun to see new units being used. What does it mean for it to be "more entertaining" than the past 3 years of WoL?
ackbar
Profile Joined March 2011
United States94 Posts
February 26 2013 16:57 GMT
#11
Of course the strategies aren't as fine tuned yet, so maybe the quality of play isn't as high. But in terms of enjoyment, its certainly been entertaining to watch.
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
February 26 2013 17:00 GMT
#12
So far the few compteitive tournaments I've seen (most notably the GD Studio KOTH series) have been amazing, but I'm not sure if it's just because it's all new. Let's wait a while (like 18 months) see meta-games come and go and then start making opinions. Also PvP is crazy at the moment, if both players go mass air late game it becomes a complete clusterfuck of 'what the hell is going on?'.
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
February 26 2013 17:28 GMT
#13
Wol was very entertaining in 2010/2011, it's just lately (past year) where everything started to stagnant, become very turtley and whatnot. I think right now Hots IS more entertaining, but I'm not sure if it's going to remain, so I voted not enough info
Refer to my post.
saltis
Profile Joined September 2012
159 Posts
February 26 2013 18:02 GMT
#14
Blizzard still should work on discarding Toss Amove Death Ball.
iViNtaGe
Profile Joined July 2012
United States254 Posts
February 26 2013 19:07 GMT
#15
I think it will be more exiting after release.
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Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
February 26 2013 20:04 GMT
#16
I think we need more time...but HotS looks like fun.I have huge expectation.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 26 2013 21:20 GMT
#17
It looks great so far, but there are still some perceived imbalances that the top players (preferrably not Blizzard) will need to figure out before I can decide. Skytoss isn't really that much fun to watch, but the Zerg match-ups seem significantly improved and the TvT we saw between jjakji and Dream has me thinking the mirrors (PvP included) will look a lot better, too.
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Verator
Profile Joined June 2010
United States283 Posts
February 26 2013 21:41 GMT
#18
HotS is still young, at the same stage of the game for WoL, it had just as much variance in builds.

As HotS ages, machups will solidify, just as had happened in WoL.

So, even.
So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence. -- Bertrand Russell
xmungam
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1050 Posts
February 26 2013 22:21 GMT
#19
Within the WoL metagame, the Kespa pros still manage to be much more entertaining in their play than any other pro scene.

HotS seems ok but its just gonna turn into build order wins for the first year of its metagame,
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MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-27 20:32:46
February 26 2013 23:29 GMT
#20
Overall about even right now. Some of the matchups are much better (PvZ) and some of the matchups are much worse (TvZ). Overall it's more exciting and action packed, but thusly also harder to follow. Despite all that, I voted 'not enough information'. Wait for the next couple of big patches and for everyone to switch, then we'll see what's going on with it.
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