EPTSo far, has HotS been more entertaining than WoL at the pr…
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k1w1
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FrostedMiniWheats
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Still though, I'm optimistic that 2-3 years from now when LotV is around the corner HotS won't have fallen to the degree that WoL did. I just feel like the tools have been set in place to make HotS a more challenging game with less turtling and actual action in the early stages of the game instead of NR 8-10 min. Death balls are still here though :/ | ||
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CamoPillbox
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Skoven
Denmark13 Posts
Zerg feels more like the race should (in my opinion), we get to see Hydras, and they have nice synergy with the Viper. I suspect we will get to see some awesome re-maxing armies in late games, rather than just "super" armies. Terran are just pretty cool, I really like how creative the Widowmines allow players to be. Making mech more viable is pretty cool, I just hope they don't end up forcing bio out completely. Protoss is just simply more fun now, the Forge fast expand isn't fun compared to the Gateway expand. Sky-toss is awesome (maybe too awesome), and I think the Oracle will be quite influential once players get good with them and we get out of the "blind-counter" phase. | ||
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Gorlin
United States2753 Posts
It's a new game, so of course it will be fun to see new units being used. What does it mean for it to be "more entertaining" than the past 3 years of WoL? | ||
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ackbar
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Greendotz
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Zenbrez
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saltis
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iViNtaGe
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Zerg.Zilla
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Zealously
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Verator
United States283 Posts
As HotS ages, machups will solidify, just as had happened in WoL. So, even. | ||
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xmungam
United States1050 Posts
HotS seems ok but its just gonna turn into build order wins for the first year of its metagame, | ||
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MCXD
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The_Darkness
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ggrrg
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DMXD
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
The question is: "So far, has HotS been more entertaining than WoL at the professional level?" Even if only one game has been played, you can still answer the question. Using all of the games (regardless of how many) you've seen of HotS, have you found HotS to be more entertaining than WoL. What this poll REALLY has done is find out that 36% of people don't read carefully enough! Also, I voted "Yes." A large amount of the entertainment value of HotS probably comes from seeing new units. It also seems better paced. Definitely not balanced well enough though. | ||
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Redrot
United States446 Posts
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jinsanity
United States137 Posts
i doubt hots will bring anything close to bws greatness | ||
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Doc Daneeka
United States577 Posts
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Doc Daneeka
United States577 Posts
On February 27 2013 12:08 Blargh wrote: How can you possibly pick "Not enough information." The question is: "So far, has HotS been more entertaining than WoL at the professional level?" Even if only one game has been played, you can still answer the question. Using all of the games (regardless of how many) you've seen of HotS, have you found HotS to be more entertaining than WoL. What this poll REALLY has done is find out that 36% of people don't read carefully enough! Also, I voted "Yes." A large amount of the entertainment value of HotS probably comes from seeing new units. It also seems better paced. Definitely not balanced well enough though. it's a perfectly legit answer imo. wol is heavily saturated with content, you can watch back to back matches you've never seen before pretty much 24/7 if you've got the time. i've been highly entertained by some hots matches which has made me excited for the game, but until the last couple weeks they've been really spread out, and i've seen a fair share of awkward and boring games in hots too. likewise i'm getting wol fatigue but i still catch amazing matches from time to time and it seems fair to rank it higher by sheer force of numbers and the amount of downtime it has helped me kill. there's also the question of how are you defining 'entertained' - the best hots matches have made it seem like the game has more push and pull, but the worst have made the players look really awkward and unsure of what they're doing. it hasn't been a uniformly better experience. if your definition of 'entertained' puts emphasis on not knowing what's coming next then obviously beta is going to be more entertaining... | ||
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GenesisX
Canada4267 Posts
On February 27 2013 12:08 Blargh wrote: How can you possibly pick "Not enough information." The question is: "So far, has HotS been more entertaining than WoL at the professional level?" Even if only one game has been played, you can still answer the question. Using all of the games (regardless of how many) you've seen of HotS, have you found HotS to be more entertaining than WoL. What this poll REALLY has done is find out that 36% of people don't read carefully enough! Also, I voted "Yes." A large amount of the entertainment value of HotS probably comes from seeing new units. It also seems better paced. Definitely not balanced well enough though. took the words right out of my mouth. Can't have a "not enough information" if theres a "so far" poll option. | ||
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dNa
Germany591 Posts
there's way more action, less macroing up and more multitasking involved in nearly all the games i've seen so far. I'm loving HotS at the moment! | ||
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Ruscour
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WikidSik
Canada382 Posts
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
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monsta
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TeslasPigeon
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Unless tournament organizers start to frequently change the maps (rotating out half the map pool every 6 months) I believe we will see the same stagnation for HOTS as WOL, new units be damned. | ||
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Dunmer
United Kingdom568 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 28 2013 02:21 TeslasPigeon wrote: I see much of the stagnation of the last year of WOL due strictly to a non diverse map pool. I don't care if professional players like playing on the same maps, but I as a spectator get sick of it and move on. Unless tournament organizers start to frequently change the maps (rotating out half the map pool every 6 months) I believe we will see the same stagnation for HOTS as WOL, new units be damned. Death to Daybreak. END THAT MAP. HotS has been a blast and I think that we will see some really awesome stuff. Protoss has been hugely improved, with more air, less colossi and a lower need for forcefields across the board. Terran no longer is going straight bio, which is awesome and I am sure we will see more in the future. But better maps are the key to the future. Every major battle does not need to happen at a base. | ||
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wammyz
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On February 27 2013 01:16 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Dear god yes. Yeah I know, try not to get too giddy, remember WoL once looked like it had a bright future too with 2011 ZvT and bearable ZvP. Then 2012 happened, where I feel that the only match ups that aged well were TvT and ZvZ (haters gonna hate) . ZvZ in particular found itself significantly better than from where it started. Still though, I'm optimistic that 2-3 years from now when LotV is around the corner HotS won't have fallen to the degree that WoL did. I just feel like the tools have been set in place to make HotS a more challenging game with less turtling and actual action in the early stages of the game instead of NR 8-10 min. Death balls are still here though :/ The decline of TvZ has been exaggerated very excessively. With the exception of the two months of infestor abusing TvZ t still produces a lot epic matches and series with the most recent example being Gumiho vs Losira (should go down as the best series in history of WOL). PvT has indeed stagnated but it is almost always entertaining. Only PvZ and PvP have gotten much worse (4 gate > laser wars). People are often pessimistic about WOL but in reality it produced hours upon hours of fantastic entertainment. Sure, it had its flaws but they are much smaller then people would lead us to believe. Overall WOL was a great game and I feel that HOTS has the potential to take it to the next level. | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
The problem with sc2 has always been it's a game of extremes. Someone either just gets rolled by a rush and the game ends immediately, or we get ultra passive games that are decided by one 200 pop vs 200 pop fight. There are exceptions of course....but these boring games are what stand out the most, at least to me. I dunno, I'm an old jaded gamer at this point and I just don't have any faith left in Blizzard, I'd love for them to prove me wrong though. | ||
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Champi
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
Part of the excitement of watching WoL was knowing how a typical game should play out in relation to how the current game you are watching is playing out. You don't have that in HotS because it hasn't be played enough to know how a typical game should play out. Time's where you're like "Oh wow, if he loses his expo here's he's totally going to miss _____ timing" and it's tense because of that. It's intriguing watching HotS, but it's not really the same kind of intensity for me. I watch and go "Oh, I guess that's really strong. wtf are you supposed to do against that?" It mostly gets my mind wondering as apposed to just being plain entertained. I dunno if that makes sense to anyone else... | ||
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trada
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samwise_the_brave
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Horzmnazazel
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stakiman
Bulgaria42 Posts
I would have bought and played it anyway, though. I just love the game.  | ||
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GoodSirTets
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DreamTheaterFan
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Jinky
United States64 Posts
I think HotS has definitely been more entertaining at the pro level. | ||
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Akaann
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Qwizzyx
Sweden44 Posts
Personally I think after watching the pro-scene, it is terrible. The only thing that is done in progames is that they compete in abusing different units, mostly 1base allins, or one attack-I-hope-I-win-with-this. If you compare that to GSL... WoL is at it's peak! | ||
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Qwizzyx
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IcookTacos
Sweden295 Posts
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Sekken
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Gemini_sc2
Norway69 Posts
but HOTS has the potential to bring entertainment through innovative play with the new units/metagame. Overall positive | ||
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bittman
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Whatson
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Von
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Vo-one
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xtfftc
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
But alas, the game is young and WOL was pretty terribad the first few months too. | ||
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Champloo
Germany1850 Posts
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Barleyarley
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JazzNL
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Xerxes657
United States40 Posts
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WoodLeagueAllStar
United States806 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Game 2 in particular was very strange with some very awful play. If a player cannot defend a Swarm Host its sickening to watch wave after wave decimate a base slowly until either GG or Protoss finds a way to kill them. Very low skill. However I have to say the image of the wave of SH and Spine Crawlers moving up a map is so insanely cool. Claustrophobia sets in as Zerg chokes the map to death. Daym. However the third game... ugh. Protoss 4 base 5 minute game, very boring. Where is the skill in this matchup? Make units go kill, sit back and shoot Swarm Hosts, fly around with Void Rays and Phoenix picking up drones is better but still a bit meh. So I am a bit worried for HotS but I gotta say I have had the most fun watching Terran play since around early 2012. Terran feels limitless, you can open so many ways, go either mid game bio or mech, turbo medivac all over the place hitting so much the observer can't find them all, Ravens are actually good now, BC's are still bad but are legit in certain amounts I feel great about Terran. | ||
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Maleta
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Lovedoll
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Thorrissey
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KainiT
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iEatWoofers
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I think in two years HotS will be at about the same place as WOL is now. Might even happen faster since players already know SC2 mechanics very well. | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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PineapplePizza
United States749 Posts
In WoL, both Terrans and Protoss have to either kill or cripple an opponent that has the potential to expand their economy exponentially in moments, while also possessing the most powerful early-game units and an unbeatable late-game. In HotS, however, Zergs can still hit 4 bases / 70 drones without any danger, but are forced to use all of the tools at their disposal to crush their opponent before they can amass an unstoppable deathfleet. | ||
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jinzo123
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Foblos
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phalanx
France43 Posts
On March 05 2013 17:20 Foblos wrote: IMO WOL has just become really stale, so while I said yes it is just against the staleness of WOL. I'm not sure if it is actually more entertaining or not...but atm it sure is for me. Maybe one's staleness is due to one's birth, how does sit sound? Why would blzzzard continue to patch WOL if they are preparing for HOTS n the same time? They don't have unlimited HR. | ||
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Deadlifter
Norway68 Posts
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Terkill
Denmark38 Posts
Not complaining though, there was never anything wrong with WoL streams and shoutcasting. | ||
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Highcounsel
United States132 Posts
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ZeroSix
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clwzim
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Osiccor
Canada128 Posts
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mhael
United States102 Posts
watching MVP play was amazing vs stephano. he purposely allowed medivac drops to be spotted so he would pull armies and then hit the front or he would allow 1 drop to be spotted to the left while the drop on the right went undetected.... he pulled stephano apart. it was AWESOME. Seed MVP into gsl please gom! | ||
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Uberpwnzorz
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TigerKarl
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busbarn
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On March 09 2013 21:38 TigerKarl wrote: I watched some more IEM today and I have to agree sadly. Hots is not good enough for sc2 to grow.No. The new units don't make the game better because they're no better design than the old units. HOTS will decline way faster than WoL, despite all the new fancy stuff around the game (shared replay and so forth), just because the unit design is so poor. | ||
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Nikoras
United States115 Posts
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rift
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 to watch that is | ||
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vorxaw
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