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JimmiC
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December 12 2022 20:18 GMT
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BlackJack
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Last Edited: 2022-12-13 00:22:48
December 13 2022 00:20 GMT
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I think there's no better evidence of why the COVID thread gets shitted up so often than looking at how frequently my posts are misrepresented and strawmanned. The recent discussion on vaccine mandates and how they relate to long-COVID being a great example.

I made the very narrow point that instituting vaccine mandates would only reduce incidence of long-covid by a small amount:

On December 09 2022 06:03 BlackJack wrote:But then you have to consider how much Long-COVID would be prevented by that extra 10% coverage [from instituting vaccine mandates]. Because not everyone that gets vaccinated is immune from long-COVID. Studies vary widely and only a fraction of that 10% would be prevented from getting Long-COVID.


Instead of disputing my specific claim posters opted to imply that I was arguing that vaccines don't prevent long-COVID at all.

On December 09 2022 18:55 Magic Powers wrote:
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BJ, you're an anti-vaxxer, and everything you say is tainted by that perception. When you post something, I don't have the slightest interest writing a paragraph debunking your comment. I write very short comments and then ignore your responses, because that's all you deserve of my time.

The point is that you're once again comparing apples to oranges. I pointed that out by showing that California had 59% more infections. I could've instead pointed to other data points showing how different California is, but I chose that one.

I do not hold your hand anymore, because that's a wasted effort. You will always misinterpret data however you want anyway, so I don't make any additional effort explaining things to you. I treat you like a child, as I do with notorious anti-vaxxers. I treat you like someone who's incapable of doing basic statistical breakdowns.
Don't get used to me writing more than a short sentence in response to your comments. I'm only explaining why I won't be doing it in the future either.



Your conclusion is wrong. A higher rate of long covid in California does not indicate whatsoever that vaccination doesn't prevent long covid. It's wrong, and it's terribly wrong. It's your usual anti-vaxx misinformation that you like to spread.


and

On December 09 2022 20:16 JimmiC wrote:
The science disagrees with you. The data points to Vaccines reducing long covid. + Show Spoiler +
Its just that scientists do not look at rates by states and extrapalte conclusions from extremely varied situations with 10000s of factors that coukd change the result to come to convoluted conclusions. They attempt to remove all the extraneous factors isolate what they are looking for, in this vaccinated vs unvaccinated and its impact on long covid. They use the scientific method as to remove confirmation, political and other biases. This is why they find consistent results across many countires and varried back grounds.

Now it would be contriversal to say that vaccination helps with people who already have long covid because that information is mixed.

Here is one such study that actually looks at 2854 other studies.

From 2584 studies identified, 11 peer-reviewed studies and six preprints were included. The methodological quality of 82% (n=14/17) studies was high. Six studies (n=17,256,654 individuals) investigated the impact of vaccines before acute SARS-CoV-2 infection (vaccine-infection-long-COVID design). Overall, vaccination was associated with reduced risks or odds of long-COVID, with preliminary evidence suggesting that two doses are more effective than one dose. Eleven studies (n=36,736 COVID-19 survivors) investigated changes in long-COVID symptoms after vaccination (infection-long-COVID-vaccine design). Seven articles showed an improvement in long-COVID symptoms at least one dose post-vaccination, while four studies reported no change or worsening in long-COVID symptoms after vaccination.



https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(22)00354-6/fulltext



There is indeed massive differences between the arguments

"Installing vaccine mandates don't prevent long-COVID by a significant amount"

and

"Vaccines don't prevent long-COVID."

So people read my posts and they do this:

"Installing vaccine mandates don't prevent long-COVID by a significant amount"
JimmiC
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December 13 2022 00:45 GMT
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