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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
December 02 2022 14:41 GMT
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28785 Posts
December 02 2022 15:56 GMT
#2
Calm down lol. I actually agree he made a bad post there, one worthy of a warning (I also warned, not banned mp after he transgressed). But the notion that my exchange with pmh constitutes a stern warning is ridiculous.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
December 02 2022 17:08 GMT
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
December 02 2022 18:54 GMT
#4
On November 30 2022 09:57 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2022 08:52 DanceSC wrote:
On November 30 2022 07:37 JimmiC wrote:
On November 30 2022 07:34 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
JimmiC honestly thinks some guy who put up a video on rumble that has a million views did it for the money.Be surprised if he made more than a couple of hundred bucks.

Meanwhile pfizer quadrouples the price of it's covid vaccine from $30 to $120 and it's crickets.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/pfizer-covid-vaccine-price-hike-seen-giving-revenue-boost-years-2022-10-21/

You mean you think he really believes that stuff?


Also you realize that it is not the video, it is the "credibility" they get to their other channels and selling of a "natural cures" and other crap.

Edit: Here is some info on how the new age snake oil salespeople make there money. But even locally there are gyms, trainers, naturopaths and so on cashing in on a little local BS fame.
https://publicintegrity.org/health/coronavirus-and-inequality/spreading-fears-cashing-in-anti-vaccine/


Typically when someone makes a statement or justifies their personal beliefs they back it up with more than just "and other crap". If you want to encourage people to see things from your point of view either provide relevant data or explain why something would be considered crap or be labeled as "other crap".

Personally I am surprised no one is talking about all the deaths of younger people from blood clots and the white fibrous material embalmers are finding in their veins.



I posted an article that has that sort of info, if you were actually interested you would have clicked.

What I do find hilarious though is that your second paragraph has no source or any of the things you say encourage people to see things from your point of view. It is direct contradictions of ones own logic that leads to people purchasing the "other crap" I was speaking of.

Edit: A quick google of your claim, and not surprisingly it is bogus from a bogus site, I guess this is why you did not source it.

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/mike-adams-flawed-analysis-clot-embalmer-richard-hirschman-doesnt-demonstrate-link-between-blood-clots-and-covid-19-vaccines-epoch-times/



@ razyda of course not, not only was the summary more than enough to say it was far from factual but why would I want to waste the time or support those who made it? Now if it had some actual evidence it might be worth a watch. But between this thread and facebook I get enough of the garbage, I do not want to spend my time having to look up all the claims to find out how bad they are.

Have you watched it? Is it chalk full of good information? Can you share what are the big takeaway's that are inconsistent with the summary that was presented?

And to you doctors thing, there were people who were actually killed for speaking out that Covid was real when China and Russia were pretending it was not. You really think none would speak out if they actually thought it was bad? There are even health organizations telling people not to get a 5th booster unless there is a specific reason to get it or they are in a high risk group. They are giving the best advice based on the data, you are just looking for reasons to not believe them. Why is that?


On December 02 2022 08:14 BlackJack wrote:
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On December 01 2022 01:27 Razyda wrote:
On November 30 2022 08:52 DanceSC wrote:
On November 30 2022 07:37 JimmiC wrote:
On November 30 2022 07:34 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
JimmiC honestly thinks some guy who put up a video on rumble that has a million views did it for the money.Be surprised if he made more than a couple of hundred bucks.

Meanwhile pfizer quadrouples the price of it's covid vaccine from $30 to $120 and it's crickets.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/pfizer-covid-vaccine-price-hike-seen-giving-revenue-boost-years-2022-10-21/

You mean you think he really believes that stuff?


Also you realize that it is not the video, it is the "credibility" they get to their other channels and selling of a "natural cures" and other crap.

Edit: Here is some info on how the new age snake oil salespeople make there money. But even locally there are gyms, trainers, naturopaths and so on cashing in on a little local BS fame.
https://publicintegrity.org/health/coronavirus-and-inequality/spreading-fears-cashing-in-anti-vaccine/


Typically when someone makes a statement or justifies their personal beliefs they back it up with more than just "and other crap". If you want to encourage people to see things from your point of view either provide relevant data or explain why something would be considered crap or be labeled as "other crap".

Personally I am surprised no one is talking about all the deaths of younger people from blood clots and the white fibrous material embalmers are finding in their veins.


Thats because mainstream media focusing on excess deaths from hearth attacks. Because we are all reasonable people following the science we know that there is no possibility that vaccine is causing those media focused on actually reasonable explanations (video with compilation of some):



solar flares

https://www.google.com/search?q=factcheck solar flares hearth attacks&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB830GB830&sxsrf=ALiCzsaoPFOLajL7Z-LAPHc9LQpTnhMANQ:1669823487809&ei=_3uHY_aJMfPA8gK7-56gBA&ved=0ahUKEwi2hdCeodb7AhVzoFwKHbu9B0QQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=factcheck solar flares hearth attacks&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzoKCAAQRxDWBBCwAzoGCAAQFhAeOgUIABCGAzoECCMQJzoHCCEQoAEQCjoECCEQFUoECEEYAEoECEYYAFCgDlijM2CyNWgBcAB4AIABkgGIAZUQkgEEMi4xNpgBAKABAcgBCMABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

no fact checked in quick google search - must be true

Joy

https://www.google.com/search?q=factcheck joy heart attacks&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB830GB830&sxsrf=ALiCzsZXrCiEP772SkfWZZTFt89FDO0LNw:1669823538736&ei=MnyHY6vJLNTC8gK-6Iu4BA&ved=0ahUKEwirqvS2odb7AhVUoVwKHT70AkcQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=factcheck joy heart attacks&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzIHCCEQoAEQCjIHCCEQoAEQCjoICAAQCBAeEA06BQgAEIYDSgQIQRgBSgQIRhgAUNkGWJopYLsqaAFwAHgAgAGWAYgBmw-SAQQzLjE0mAEAoAEBwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

no fact checked in quick google search, bizzarly we have bunch of links confirming that vaccines arent linked to hearth attacks.

We are now also aware that vaccine so called "side effects" are caused by antivaxxers, which is proven here:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36381188/

If confronted by one of those dangerous individuals doesnt matter what you say, as long as you repeat often enough:

- Is disproven/debunked because there is no proof
- safe and effective
- correlation is not a causation


User was temp banned for this post.


This is not very compelling evidence. I was easily able to find articles pre-pandemic about solar flares causing heart attacks or whatever nonsense. The media has been spamming fear porn about "X" causing heart attacks or "Y" causing cancer forever. It's not a new phenomenon to muddy the waters of people dropping dead. If there were some coverup we probably wouldn't know about J&J vaccine causing blood clots or mRNA vaccines causing myocarditis in the first place. Although I don't know why this is banworthy. JimmiC is the one that posted the conspiracy video and asked someone if they watched it and what their big takeaways are. If it's banworthy to promote shitty conspiracy theories then perhaps we shouldn't allow users to coax other users into violating forum rules?


Since JimmiC came here to slander me, I went ahead and transcribed the only post I wrote about him and anyone that wants can compare it to JimmiC's post. I bolded the relevant portion in both posts. It's a word for word replication yet somehow I am "twisting" words here...
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
December 02 2022 18:57 GMT
#5
But it does beg the question if promoting conspiracy theories are forbidden should users be allowed to introduce a conspiracy video to a thread and then ask others if they have watched it and coax them into defending it? How is this not baiting people to violate forum rules?
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-12-02 20:30:16
December 02 2022 19:47 GMT
#6
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4410 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-12-09 12:21:21
December 09 2022 12:20 GMT
#7
chill out dude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14105 Posts
December 09 2022 14:48 GMT
#8
Nettles you can't just cheerlead one side and expect people to listen to you. If you have something to contribute please contribute it.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4410 Posts
December 09 2022 18:39 GMT
#9
On December 09 2022 23:48 Sermokala wrote:
Nettles you can't just cheerlead one side and expect people to listen to you. If you have something to contribute please contribute it.

This discussion was already had over several pages in the thread.This does not need to exist, it's just JimmiC stroking his own ego.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
December 09 2022 19:03 GMT
#10
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
December 09 2022 23:02 GMT
#11
My favorite thing about the meta-discussion on Eri's "moderation" of the COVID thread is that it started long before he even actively moderated the thread. He even said he had a policy of not moderating any threads that he personally participated in. Before that his so-called "moderation" was to basically say "let's stop interpreting each other's posts in the least charitable way so we can avoid stupid back and forths." He never threatened to give out warnings or bans or any other mod action of any kind. His posts would have been no different if he didn't happen to be a mod. The only reason people were triggered is because they happen to ascribe special meaning to posts by users with mod privileges regardless of whether or not any actual moderation is being done.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
December 11 2022 00:22 GMT
#12
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
December 11 2022 11:03 GMT
#13
On December 11 2022 09:22 JimmiC wrote:
This the appropriate spot to put moderation complaints. If most people posted the way you do complaining about it and you are the one who does it the most, they would get warned, banned or told to bring it here. I have no problem with whatever the rules are going to be, my issue is that you are the special snowflake who does not have consequences but constantly claims victimhood. You start and continue fights with many people and it is always their fault. I brought this here because he put down a rule and was again making it for everyone but you. Sadly this thread will likely stay active because you won't stop.


So your complaints are that I start fights with people without consequence and I claim victimhood. In the same breath you're name-calling me a snowflake in this thread you made about being the victim of unfair moderation. I hope you appreciate the irony at least.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-12-11 13:45:59
December 11 2022 13:27 GMT
#14
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
December 11 2022 22:35 GMT
#15
I've completely ignored your posts for probably at least a year now. You on the other hand respond to every single one of my posts and constantly make condescending digs at me to try to bait me into shit-slinging. For example

On November 07 2022 05:41 JimmiC wrote:
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On November 07 2022 02:48 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On November 07 2022 00:14 JimmiC wrote:
On November 07 2022 00:02 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On November 06 2022 23:21 WombaT wrote:
On November 06 2022 17:55 InDaHouse wrote:
Well this faction of authoritarian Borg Drones in this thread are now trying to hold the line when their narrative is crashing down.
They are the same people sitting alone in their car with a mask or takes a swin in the sea alone with a mask, lol.

Are you completely delusional? You’re counterargument is comparing Covid that belongs to the Corona family viruses with Smallpox and Measles is ridicoulus.

Covid has more in similarities with the common flu and that is the whole fucking point why it cannot be eradicated.

When a virus can harbour in animals (READ COVID) it can also mutate and jump back to humans, thus it is impossible to eradicate
Maybe in some other universe in the multiverse, but not here.

MEASLES and SMALLPOX cannot infect animals therefore are mandatory vaccinationprograms effective in creating herd immunity.
www.cdc.gov
www.cdc.gov

So the effort to vaccinate the entire world against Covid is useless with the aim to eradicate the virus. This fact is already known by epidemiologist.

The mandates will never come back, the Governments will not risk severe civil unrest in the midst of shortage inflation and prelude to global war.


What narrative do us borg drones stick to?

There’s a pretty big divergence of opinion in here, I’d encourage you to stick around and engage and find out what that is.

From my understanding, and what I read from those who wield much more expertise than I, the vaccines were effective enough against the earlier variants that a combination of vaccination and natural immunity could, theoretically borderline eradicate it.

But hey, vaccination wasn’t rolled out quickly enough to poorer areas of the world, omicron became a dominant strain, which vaccines were considerably less effective against.

Evidently, trying to pursue any kind of Covid elimination policy and holding that position became rather untenable given the changes in circumstances.

So I shifted, as I believe most in this thread did, broadly from prevention to mitigation.

As regulars will attest I was probably the most hawkish in the past for travel bans, or foreign travel without quarantine measures.

It’s not remotely a position I hold now. If COVID elimination is a ship that has sailed, if localised preventative measures have been largely dropped, then restricting travel has a negligible impact and serves no great purpose.

and how would mandating covid vaccines in schools fit into your position in this post? do you think it also is likely to have negligible impact? or do you think that somehow a vaccine mandate in schools is still meaningful and works towards eradication? sermokala is in line with the latter.

Something can be very impactful and not work towards eradication.

too bad covid vaccine mandates in schools arent one of those things

+ Show Spoiler +

Most public health experts are still recomending, last time I checked, people 5 years ans older get vaccinated. So they would disagree with you.

One of the major reasons for having vaccinations required at schools is not just to protect the children, but because it is a vector that almost all members of society pass through. So if you want all the members of your society to have a vaccination this is the best place to do this.


@blackjack these posts are hilarious, the drama, irony and victimhood. Classic!


Unlike you I actually do take the high-road and don't respond to your posts like these because it's obvious you just want to get into a stupid back and forth with me that nobody cares about and will bog down the COVID thread.

The irony is that you are endlessly accusing me of being a shit-starter while I ignore you. The endless accusing me of being a shit-starter is in itself a desperate attempt to start some shit. I guess me choosing to ignore you in the COVID thread has left you starved for the attention you need so you had to make this thread. It did get you some attention so I guess mission accomplished.

I'll let you have the last word since that's the only way this will end.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-12-12 00:15:38
December 12 2022 00:02 GMT
#16
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28785 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-12-12 12:47:46
December 12 2022 05:13 GMT
#17
You do realize you made this thread after some other moderator, not me, turned down your report, right? I mean, you were technically correct that bj made an actionable post, but even acknowledging that, you're mostly just making it clear to me how annoying you are being towards bj and that he thus deserves considerable leeway in how he responds to you specifically, because you do, indeed, keep bringing up people without them interacting with you. The way you have name-dropped me like 5 times in this thread based on the actions of another mod just confirms this. Just chill, dude.
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28785 Posts
December 12 2022 05:40 GMT
#18
Here's basically your issue: You are so convinced of your own righteousness that you can't just make a point once and then drop it.

You often make good posts with valid points in them. However, when there's some disagreement about something (in this case, how I hold BJ to a special standard, or that BJ is a shit-starter snowflake), you keep making the same post over and over until ignoring you stops being an option, even though the point you are making actually has been answered/addressed in the past - just not with the answer you were hoping for. People disagree. Deal with it. I consider my role on this forum to facilitate discussion - not stifle it. For this reason, I, rather consistently, try to sort out disagreements between the 'lone rangers' who argue coherent points of view that go against the mainstream forum points of view (even though I myself tend to lean more towards the mainstream). This is why you see me present my interpretations of say, Danglars, or BJ, or GH (but not Nettles or Razyda), because these are posters who make valid points but whose points are misinterpreted by lots of posters and it causes unnecessary tension and hostility.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
December 12 2022 16:51 GMT
#19
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28785 Posts
December 12 2022 18:20 GMT
#20
Not really caring about having this discussion because, again, you're just repeating stuff you've written before. So I'm just addressing the second to last paragraph:

I warned you once like 3 1/2 years ago, but I've never banned you. I warned MP once and gave him a 2 day ban once, for very specifically breaking the rules I had specifically stated were now in place. (Remember, I said 'you're all pardoned' - meaning everyone started at scratch, after that.) The first time he did it I warned him, the second time, he got a two day ban. BJ was guilty of a similar infraction once. I warned him. Serm hasn't been banned once since he got a two day ban back in 2017. He's been warned a few times since, but not even once since 2019. As far as I'm concerned, he was the poster who was by far the guiltiest in terms of shitting up the covid thread - but guess what, he hasn't been posting like that since I specified the new enforcement of rules, so he hasn't been actioned. If there's one thing I specifically regret in terms of how I've moderated the thread, it's actually not slapping Serm with a warning (and then bans) during the early stage of one of his 'you're an anti-vaxxer' rants targeted towards BJ, because I think those were clearly unacceptable, and a large part of what soured the relations.
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