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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 30 2018 02:15 GMT
#2221
On March 29 2018 21:57 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
What did he say that you felt was humiliating to Danglars? See, I thought the warning was for bringing up old arguments, or naming a person as a representative of an entire political group which is something I can support as it can improve the quality of conversation, but I don't see a problem with calling someone out for contradictory arguments or morally untenable positions.

I think the "humiliation" stuff is more so the obsessive/stalker behavior GH uses with people. It's gone way overboard more than a few times.

I strongly support the concept of focusing on ideas rather than individuals. No calling people out is a good system. Especially for threads with regulars where lots of people know each other.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23988 Posts
March 30 2018 02:40 GMT
#2222
On March 30 2018 11:15 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2018 21:57 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
What did he say that you felt was humiliating to Danglars? See, I thought the warning was for bringing up old arguments, or naming a person as a representative of an entire political group which is something I can support as it can improve the quality of conversation, but I don't see a problem with calling someone out for contradictory arguments or morally untenable positions.

I think the "humiliation" stuff is more so the obsessive/stalker behavior GH uses with people. It's gone way overboard more than a few times.

I strongly support the concept of focusing on ideas rather than individuals. No calling people out is a good system. Especially for threads with regulars where lots of people know each other.


lol "obsessive/stalker behavior", I just don't take shit. If people copped to their crap it wouldn't come up more than once. But I'm not going to let people build arguments off of premises they ignored getting invalidated.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
March 30 2018 03:01 GMT
#2223
On March 30 2018 11:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2018 11:15 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 29 2018 21:57 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
What did he say that you felt was humiliating to Danglars? See, I thought the warning was for bringing up old arguments, or naming a person as a representative of an entire political group which is something I can support as it can improve the quality of conversation, but I don't see a problem with calling someone out for contradictory arguments or morally untenable positions.

I think the "humiliation" stuff is more so the obsessive/stalker behavior GH uses with people. It's gone way overboard more than a few times.

I strongly support the concept of focusing on ideas rather than individuals. No calling people out is a good system. Especially for threads with regulars where lots of people know each other.


lol "obsessive/stalker behavior", I just don't take shit. If people copped to their crap it wouldn't come up more than once. But I'm not going to let people build arguments off of premises they ignored getting invalidated.

Like the time Plansix said something based on a faulty premise, you called him on it, he admitted he was wrong, and you kept getting on his case about it anyway?
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23988 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-30 03:17:58
March 30 2018 03:12 GMT
#2224
On March 30 2018 12:01 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2018 11:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 30 2018 11:15 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 29 2018 21:57 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
What did he say that you felt was humiliating to Danglars? See, I thought the warning was for bringing up old arguments, or naming a person as a representative of an entire political group which is something I can support as it can improve the quality of conversation, but I don't see a problem with calling someone out for contradictory arguments or morally untenable positions.

I think the "humiliation" stuff is more so the obsessive/stalker behavior GH uses with people. It's gone way overboard more than a few times.

I strongly support the concept of focusing on ideas rather than individuals. No calling people out is a good system. Especially for threads with regulars where lots of people know each other.


lol "obsessive/stalker behavior", I just don't take shit. If people copped to their crap it wouldn't come up more than once. But I'm not going to let people build arguments off of premises they ignored getting invalidated.

Like the time Plansix said something based on a faulty premise, you called him on it, he admitted he was wrong, and you kept getting on his case about it anyway?


Because he didn't admit that he actually pushed the same exact article and argument months before and tried the same thing of just ignoring being shown he was wrong.

Instead he made up some story about mixing up reports and some mysterious NPR story.

Additionally the whole liberals spreading propaganda while simultaneously accusing me of being manipulated by Russian ads was extremely obnoxious and that served as a great example of just how misguided the months long assault on the substance and source of my views was, in that regard.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 30 2018 14:42 GMT
#2225
We are all guilty of letting stuff get to personal from time to time, myself included. The thread is better without it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23988 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-30 14:56:57
March 30 2018 14:55 GMT
#2226
On March 30 2018 23:42 Plansix wrote:
We are all guilty of letting stuff get to personal from time to time, myself included. The thread is better without it.


We all understand that wasn't personal too right? As the resident Bernie supporter I presumed I was the target for that reason and you just happened to be the liberal/Democrat caught with their hand in the cookie jar.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
March 30 2018 14:58 GMT
#2227
Well, it's not like GH followed someone to another thread, and randomly accused that person of calling him a batman villian. Could be worse, could be worse.

Also, naming GH. US pol thread website feedback more lenient that US pol thread? :D Anyways, it appears this is a case of choosing Mohdoo as an example to set the tone for the future, than any actual warning specifically for Mohdoo's action.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19215 Posts
March 30 2018 16:08 GMT
#2228
We are less likely to action people in website feedback in general.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-30 16:41:37
March 30 2018 16:41 GMT
#2229
Getting warned or actions in website feedback takes effort. The person has to really go for it, IMO.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
April 02 2018 12:44 GMT
#2230
{CC}StealthBlue - Temporary
Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
April 02 2018 17:45 GMT
#2231
I strongly disagree with that. I came to that thread for his posts on the news.

This feels like overmanagement. What has been accomplished now that his posts aren't allowed?
I carve marble busts of assassinated world leaders - PM for a quote
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22406 Posts
April 02 2018 17:46 GMT
#2232
On April 03 2018 02:45 Aveng3r wrote:
I strongly disagree with that. I came to that thread for his posts on the news.

This feels like overmanagement. What has been accomplished now that his posts aren't allowed?

If others are not allowed to post stories without explanation then neither should he. Equal rules for everyone, simple as that.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
April 02 2018 17:47 GMT
#2233
It seemed like he was making the effort to, was there a disconnect between what he was doing and what the rest of the mods were expecting?
I carve marble busts of assassinated world leaders - PM for a quote
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37087 Posts
April 02 2018 17:53 GMT
#2234
I cannot go into full detail on this as this involves private TL matters.

But long story short, the moderation team have made repeated attempts to contact StealthBlue in regards to our new rules and guidelines for the US Politics Mega-thread. We were hoping SB would PM us back and that we could discuss things together. However, despite our efforts, SB never PMed us back and never posted in the staff forums either. Therefore, because SB was not being responsive, we decided to temp ban him from the thread.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
April 02 2018 17:55 GMT
#2235
I see, I notice his red hammer is also gone
I carve marble busts of assassinated world leaders - PM for a quote
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37087 Posts
April 02 2018 17:56 GMT
#2236
On April 03 2018 02:55 Aveng3r wrote:
I see, I notice his red hammer is also gone

That I cannot comment on.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24775 Posts
April 02 2018 18:30 GMT
#2237
Seeker can neither confirm nor deny that his hammer is gone.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
April 02 2018 18:34 GMT
#2238
Otherwise known as a Glomar denial :D
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
April 02 2018 18:34 GMT
#2239
what hammer?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14137 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-02 18:45:24
April 02 2018 18:35 GMT
#2240
I can neither confirm or deny that His red hammer is gone.

+ Show Spoiler +
Mostly because I can't tell the difference between hammers on this site due to my visual disability.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
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