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i mean CCSB got temp banned and coincidentally de modded (though i’m sure that was more ‘while we’re at it’) for it. it is if nothing else quite clear.
you posted one sentence along with an article. subsequent posts notwithstanding, it is a very appropriate warning. i think it’s more a stretch to ask moderators to take into account other posts than it is to ask for you to have added that same discussion into your article post.
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On April 06 2018 03:04 brian wrote:
i mean CCSB got temp banned and coincidentally de modded (though i’m sure that was more ‘while we’re at it’) for it. it is if nothing else quite clear.
you posted one sentence along with an article. subsequent posts notwithstanding, it is a very appropriate warning.
It's really not though. If the length of my commentary is the reason that's not what was cited or in the rules. It's that simple.
EDIT: I have to add, this is some petty playground stuff. If someone had an issue with the post, they can PM me and I would have gladly added something/explained.
Then Seeker... You could have done the same thing.
Immediately tattling, and then the immediate slap on the wrist is ironically representative of what is wrong with policing and a lot of people's view on it and why it needed to be discussed. Probably not unrelated to why they don't immediately own that they were the person who reported it or why the topic changed as it did.
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Where dat snitch at?37107 Posts
GH, we have to be fair to everyone. You were already aware that moderation had become stricter in regards to tweets and article sources.
On April 06 2018 01:07 GreenHorizons wrote:Abolish the police, disarm them and most of them will leave on their own. Show nested quote +New York City police officers shot and killed a black man who was known to be mentally ill on a Brooklyn street corner on Wednesday afternoon after he pointed what the officers claim they thought was a gun at them, the authorities said. The object, however, turned out to be a metal pipe with a knob on it.
[Angie described Mr. Vassell as a quiet man who often sat outside near a barbershop and sometimes worked odd jobs at her beauty salon for a few dollars.
“He would just walk and bob his head,” she said. “If we ask him to do our chores, he’d come and do it.”
Rocky Brown, 45, who knew him for years, said he was a friendly man who was mentally ill.
“He’s harmless,” Mr. Brown said. “A very willing guy, a very nice guy, a good guy.”
Betty Weaver, 71, said Mr. Vassell would often greet her when she was on her way to church.
Another woman, Nicole Williams, said she had given him $2 earlier on Wednesday afternoon. His last words to her, she said, were “Thank you, God.”] moved this section to the top
The shooting drew a tense, charged crowd of dozens to the streets of Crown Heights. The Police Department had encountered the man before and classified him as emotionally disturbed, and the shooting raised questions about what the officers at the scene knew about him.
four of the officers — the three in street clothes and one uniformed officer — fired 10 bullets in all. The man, identified by his father as Saheed Vassell, 34, was pronounced dead after being taken to Kings County Medical Center.
In an interview at his home late Wednesday night, Mr. Vassell’s father, Eric Vassell, said his son had bipolar disorder and had been admitted to the hospital multiple times in recent years, sometimes after encounters with the police. The younger Mr. Vassell, who was born in Jamaica and came to the United States when he was 6, lived with his family in a Crown Heights apartment and had worked as a welder. He also had a 15-year-old son.
Mr. Vassell’s father said he had never seen his son act as if he had a gun.
He would “just walk around the neighborhood and help people,” the father said.
Area residents said Mr. Vassell was a familiar figure on the corner and a caring father who begged for money in a nearby subway station and did odd jobs for shopkeepers. He loved to dance and was widely known to be mentally ill. People said he had a penchant for picking things up off the street — cigarette lighters, empty bottles and other curbside flotsam — and playing with them like toys.
John Fuller, 59, said that he had known Mr. Vassell for years and that local police officers had, too. He echoed a common refrain: The officers should have known him well enough to not simply shoot him to death. “Every cop in this neighborhood knows him,” Mr. Fuller said.
Witnesses said the police officers appeared to fire almost immediately after they got to the corner around 4:45 p.m. Some of the witnesses said they did not hear the officers say anything to the man before firing, while another witness said she heard the officers and the man exchange some words.
The killing held echoes of the shooting less than three weeks ago in Sacramento in which the police shot and killed a black man who they believed was pointing a gun at them, but who, it turned out, was actually holding a cellphone.
On Wednesday in Brooklyn, Jaccpot Hinds, 40, was walking south on Utica Avenue near Montgomery Street when he saw an unmarked police car pass him and pull across two lanes of traffic near where a man was standing on a street corner. Mr. Hinds said a plainclothes officer got out of the passenger seat of the car and fired at the man several times. The officer appeared to shoot him in the neck, chest and right arm, Mr. Hinds said, and then walked over to the man and prodded his chest with the service weapon.
www.nytimes.comShooting unarmed people is a failure of policing point blank, period, no excuses. User was warned for this post.
This doesn't tell me anything about why you posted the news article or why you feel it is relevant to discuss it.
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On April 06 2018 04:13 Seeker wrote:GH, we have to be fair to everyone. You were already aware that moderation had become stricter in regards to tweets and article sources. Show nested quote +On April 06 2018 01:07 GreenHorizons wrote:Abolish the police, disarm them and most of them will leave on their own. New York City police officers shot and killed a black man who was known to be mentally ill on a Brooklyn street corner on Wednesday afternoon after he pointed what the officers claim they thought was a gun at them, the authorities said. The object, however, turned out to be a metal pipe with a knob on it.
[Angie described Mr. Vassell as a quiet man who often sat outside near a barbershop and sometimes worked odd jobs at her beauty salon for a few dollars.
“He would just walk and bob his head,” she said. “If we ask him to do our chores, he’d come and do it.”
Rocky Brown, 45, who knew him for years, said he was a friendly man who was mentally ill.
“He’s harmless,” Mr. Brown said. “A very willing guy, a very nice guy, a good guy.”
Betty Weaver, 71, said Mr. Vassell would often greet her when she was on her way to church.
Another woman, Nicole Williams, said she had given him $2 earlier on Wednesday afternoon. His last words to her, she said, were “Thank you, God.”] moved this section to the top
The shooting drew a tense, charged crowd of dozens to the streets of Crown Heights. The Police Department had encountered the man before and classified him as emotionally disturbed, and the shooting raised questions about what the officers at the scene knew about him.
four of the officers — the three in street clothes and one uniformed officer — fired 10 bullets in all. The man, identified by his father as Saheed Vassell, 34, was pronounced dead after being taken to Kings County Medical Center.
In an interview at his home late Wednesday night, Mr. Vassell’s father, Eric Vassell, said his son had bipolar disorder and had been admitted to the hospital multiple times in recent years, sometimes after encounters with the police. The younger Mr. Vassell, who was born in Jamaica and came to the United States when he was 6, lived with his family in a Crown Heights apartment and had worked as a welder. He also had a 15-year-old son.
Mr. Vassell’s father said he had never seen his son act as if he had a gun.
He would “just walk around the neighborhood and help people,” the father said.
Area residents said Mr. Vassell was a familiar figure on the corner and a caring father who begged for money in a nearby subway station and did odd jobs for shopkeepers. He loved to dance and was widely known to be mentally ill. People said he had a penchant for picking things up off the street — cigarette lighters, empty bottles and other curbside flotsam — and playing with them like toys.
John Fuller, 59, said that he had known Mr. Vassell for years and that local police officers had, too. He echoed a common refrain: The officers should have known him well enough to not simply shoot him to death. “Every cop in this neighborhood knows him,” Mr. Fuller said.
Witnesses said the police officers appeared to fire almost immediately after they got to the corner around 4:45 p.m. Some of the witnesses said they did not hear the officers say anything to the man before firing, while another witness said she heard the officers and the man exchange some words.
The killing held echoes of the shooting less than three weeks ago in Sacramento in which the police shot and killed a black man who they believed was pointing a gun at them, but who, it turned out, was actually holding a cellphone.
On Wednesday in Brooklyn, Jaccpot Hinds, 40, was walking south on Utica Avenue near Montgomery Street when he saw an unmarked police car pass him and pull across two lanes of traffic near where a man was standing on a street corner. Mr. Hinds said a plainclothes officer got out of the passenger seat of the car and fired at the man several times. The officer appeared to shoot him in the neck, chest and right arm, Mr. Hinds said, and then walked over to the man and prodded his chest with the service weapon.
www.nytimes.comShooting unarmed people is a failure of policing point blank, period, no excuses. User was warned for this post. This doesn't tell me anything about why you posted the news article or why you feel it is relevant to discuss it.
The police are failing, it's costing people their lives, we need to abolish them. Are you unable to extract that from what I said about abolishing the police, posting a story of their failure, and denoting it as such?
It seems others were.
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I think this new moderation policy is an attempt to strangle the thread to death by cutting off new conversation material.
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On April 06 2018 04:44 IgnE wrote:
I think this new moderation policy is an attempt to strangle the thread to death by cutting off new conversation material.
All the cool people have left anyways. The new policy is really just cleaning up the leftovers.
Good news is that this attempt to steer the politics discussion will go away in a couple of weeks and we’ll be right back to where we started as usual.
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On April 06 2018 02:46 GreenHorizons wrote:Yeah, no. Calling bullshit. It's quite clear why I thought it needed to be discussed, and in fact spawned that very discussion. There may be another reason for this action, but the one provided is indefensible. Show nested quote +Original Message From TL.net Bot: This is a Warning! Abolish the police, disarm them and most of them will leave on their own. New York City police officers shot and killed a black man who was known to be mentally ill on a Brooklyn street corner on Wednesday afternoon after he pointed what the officers claim they thought was a gun at them, the authorities said. The object, however, turned out to be a metal pipe with a knob on it.
[Angie described Mr. Vassell as a quiet man who often sat outside near a barbershop and sometimes worked odd jobs at her beauty salon for a few dollars.
“He would just walk and bob his head,” she said. “If we ask him to do our chores, he’d come and do it.”
Rocky Brown, 45, who knew him for years, said he was a friendly man who was mentally ill.
“He’s harmless,” Mr. Brown said. “A very willing guy, a very nice guy, a good guy.”
Betty Weaver, 71, said Mr. Vassell would often greet her when she was on her way to church.
Another woman, Nicole Williams, said she had given him $2 earlier on Wednesday afternoon. His last words to her, she said, were “Thank you, God.”] moved this section to the top
The shooting drew a tense, charged crowd of dozens to the streets of Crown Heights. The Police Department had encountered the man before and classified him as emotionally disturbed, and the shooting raised questions about what the officers at the scene knew about him.
four of the officers — the three in street clothes and one uniformed officer — fired 10 bullets in all. The man, identified by his father as Saheed Vassell, 34, was pronounced dead after being taken to Kings County Medical Center.
In an interview at his home late Wednesday night, Mr. Vassell’s father, Eric Vassell, said his son had bipolar disorder and had been admitted to the hospital multiple times in recent years, sometimes after encounters with the police. The younger Mr. Vassell, who was born in Jamaica and came to the United States when he was 6, lived with his family in a Crown Heights apartment and had worked as a welder. He also had a 15-year-old son.
Mr. Vassell’s father said he had never seen his son act as if he had a gun.
He would “just walk around the neighborhood and help people,” the father said.
Area residents said Mr. Vassell was a familiar figure on the corner and a caring father who begged for money in a nearby subway station and did odd jobs for shopkeepers. He loved to dance and was widely known to be mentally ill. People said he had a penchant for picking things up off the street — cigarette lighters, empty bottles and other curbside flotsam — and playing with them like toys.
John Fuller, 59, said that he had known Mr. Vassell for years and that local police officers had, too. He echoed a common refrain: The officers should have known him well enough to not simply shoot him to death. “Every cop in this neighborhood knows him,” Mr. Fuller said.
Witnesses said the police officers appeared to fire almost immediately after they got to the corner around 4:45 p.m. Some of the witnesses said they did not hear the officers say anything to the man before firing, while another witness said she heard the officers and the man exchange some words.
The killing held echoes of the shooting less than three weeks ago in Sacramento in which the police shot and killed a black man who they believed was pointing a gun at them, but who, it turned out, was actually holding a cellphone.
On Wednesday in Brooklyn, Jaccpot Hinds, 40, was walking south on Utica Avenue near Montgomery Street when he saw an unmarked police car pass him and pull across two lanes of traffic near where a man was standing on a street corner. Mr. Hinds said a plainclothes officer got out of the passenger seat of the car and fired at the man several times. The officer appeared to shoot him in the neck, chest and right arm, Mr. Hinds said, and then walked over to the man and prodded his chest with the service weapon.
www.nytimes.comShooting unarmed people is a failure of policing point blank, period, no excuses. Per the new rules and guidelines set forth by the moderation team, we are going to be harsher on articles/news sources that are posted without a supporting comment on why the article(s)/news source(s) is/are relevant and why they need to be discussed. Thanks in advance for your cooperation, Seeker Who even reported that anyway?
Your post wasn't reported by anyone, you can check it yourself.
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On April 06 2018 07:24 Nixer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2018 02:46 GreenHorizons wrote:Yeah, no. Calling bullshit. It's quite clear why I thought it needed to be discussed, and in fact spawned that very discussion. There may be another reason for this action, but the one provided is indefensible. Original Message From TL.net Bot: This is a Warning! Abolish the police, disarm them and most of them will leave on their own. New York City police officers shot and killed a black man who was known to be mentally ill on a Brooklyn street corner on Wednesday afternoon after he pointed what the officers claim they thought was a gun at them, the authorities said. The object, however, turned out to be a metal pipe with a knob on it.
[Angie described Mr. Vassell as a quiet man who often sat outside near a barbershop and sometimes worked odd jobs at her beauty salon for a few dollars.
“He would just walk and bob his head,” she said. “If we ask him to do our chores, he’d come and do it.”
Rocky Brown, 45, who knew him for years, said he was a friendly man who was mentally ill.
“He’s harmless,” Mr. Brown said. “A very willing guy, a very nice guy, a good guy.”
Betty Weaver, 71, said Mr. Vassell would often greet her when she was on her way to church.
Another woman, Nicole Williams, said she had given him $2 earlier on Wednesday afternoon. His last words to her, she said, were “Thank you, God.”] moved this section to the top
The shooting drew a tense, charged crowd of dozens to the streets of Crown Heights. The Police Department had encountered the man before and classified him as emotionally disturbed, and the shooting raised questions about what the officers at the scene knew about him.
four of the officers — the three in street clothes and one uniformed officer — fired 10 bullets in all. The man, identified by his father as Saheed Vassell, 34, was pronounced dead after being taken to Kings County Medical Center.
In an interview at his home late Wednesday night, Mr. Vassell’s father, Eric Vassell, said his son had bipolar disorder and had been admitted to the hospital multiple times in recent years, sometimes after encounters with the police. The younger Mr. Vassell, who was born in Jamaica and came to the United States when he was 6, lived with his family in a Crown Heights apartment and had worked as a welder. He also had a 15-year-old son.
Mr. Vassell’s father said he had never seen his son act as if he had a gun.
He would “just walk around the neighborhood and help people,” the father said.
Area residents said Mr. Vassell was a familiar figure on the corner and a caring father who begged for money in a nearby subway station and did odd jobs for shopkeepers. He loved to dance and was widely known to be mentally ill. People said he had a penchant for picking things up off the street — cigarette lighters, empty bottles and other curbside flotsam — and playing with them like toys.
John Fuller, 59, said that he had known Mr. Vassell for years and that local police officers had, too. He echoed a common refrain: The officers should have known him well enough to not simply shoot him to death. “Every cop in this neighborhood knows him,” Mr. Fuller said.
Witnesses said the police officers appeared to fire almost immediately after they got to the corner around 4:45 p.m. Some of the witnesses said they did not hear the officers say anything to the man before firing, while another witness said she heard the officers and the man exchange some words.
The killing held echoes of the shooting less than three weeks ago in Sacramento in which the police shot and killed a black man who they believed was pointing a gun at them, but who, it turned out, was actually holding a cellphone.
On Wednesday in Brooklyn, Jaccpot Hinds, 40, was walking south on Utica Avenue near Montgomery Street when he saw an unmarked police car pass him and pull across two lanes of traffic near where a man was standing on a street corner. Mr. Hinds said a plainclothes officer got out of the passenger seat of the car and fired at the man several times. The officer appeared to shoot him in the neck, chest and right arm, Mr. Hinds said, and then walked over to the man and prodded his chest with the service weapon.
www.nytimes.comShooting unarmed people is a failure of policing point blank, period, no excuses. Per the new rules and guidelines set forth by the moderation team, we are going to be harsher on articles/news sources that are posted without a supporting comment on why the article(s)/news source(s) is/are relevant and why they need to be discussed. Thanks in advance for your cooperation, Seeker Who even reported that anyway? Your post wasn't reported by anyone, you can check it yourself.
Well that begs two questions then.
1. Why are mods actioning posts that aren't even being reported and giving indefensible explanations?
2. How?
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On April 06 2018 07:28 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2018 07:24 Nixer wrote:On April 06 2018 02:46 GreenHorizons wrote:Yeah, no. Calling bullshit. It's quite clear why I thought it needed to be discussed, and in fact spawned that very discussion. There may be another reason for this action, but the one provided is indefensible. Original Message From TL.net Bot: This is a Warning! Abolish the police, disarm them and most of them will leave on their own. New York City police officers shot and killed a black man who was known to be mentally ill on a Brooklyn street corner on Wednesday afternoon after he pointed what the officers claim they thought was a gun at them, the authorities said. The object, however, turned out to be a metal pipe with a knob on it.
[Angie described Mr. Vassell as a quiet man who often sat outside near a barbershop and sometimes worked odd jobs at her beauty salon for a few dollars.
“He would just walk and bob his head,” she said. “If we ask him to do our chores, he’d come and do it.”
Rocky Brown, 45, who knew him for years, said he was a friendly man who was mentally ill.
“He’s harmless,” Mr. Brown said. “A very willing guy, a very nice guy, a good guy.”
Betty Weaver, 71, said Mr. Vassell would often greet her when she was on her way to church.
Another woman, Nicole Williams, said she had given him $2 earlier on Wednesday afternoon. His last words to her, she said, were “Thank you, God.”] moved this section to the top
The shooting drew a tense, charged crowd of dozens to the streets of Crown Heights. The Police Department had encountered the man before and classified him as emotionally disturbed, and the shooting raised questions about what the officers at the scene knew about him.
four of the officers — the three in street clothes and one uniformed officer — fired 10 bullets in all. The man, identified by his father as Saheed Vassell, 34, was pronounced dead after being taken to Kings County Medical Center.
In an interview at his home late Wednesday night, Mr. Vassell’s father, Eric Vassell, said his son had bipolar disorder and had been admitted to the hospital multiple times in recent years, sometimes after encounters with the police. The younger Mr. Vassell, who was born in Jamaica and came to the United States when he was 6, lived with his family in a Crown Heights apartment and had worked as a welder. He also had a 15-year-old son.
Mr. Vassell’s father said he had never seen his son act as if he had a gun.
He would “just walk around the neighborhood and help people,” the father said.
Area residents said Mr. Vassell was a familiar figure on the corner and a caring father who begged for money in a nearby subway station and did odd jobs for shopkeepers. He loved to dance and was widely known to be mentally ill. People said he had a penchant for picking things up off the street — cigarette lighters, empty bottles and other curbside flotsam — and playing with them like toys.
John Fuller, 59, said that he had known Mr. Vassell for years and that local police officers had, too. He echoed a common refrain: The officers should have known him well enough to not simply shoot him to death. “Every cop in this neighborhood knows him,” Mr. Fuller said.
Witnesses said the police officers appeared to fire almost immediately after they got to the corner around 4:45 p.m. Some of the witnesses said they did not hear the officers say anything to the man before firing, while another witness said she heard the officers and the man exchange some words.
The killing held echoes of the shooting less than three weeks ago in Sacramento in which the police shot and killed a black man who they believed was pointing a gun at them, but who, it turned out, was actually holding a cellphone.
On Wednesday in Brooklyn, Jaccpot Hinds, 40, was walking south on Utica Avenue near Montgomery Street when he saw an unmarked police car pass him and pull across two lanes of traffic near where a man was standing on a street corner. Mr. Hinds said a plainclothes officer got out of the passenger seat of the car and fired at the man several times. The officer appeared to shoot him in the neck, chest and right arm, Mr. Hinds said, and then walked over to the man and prodded his chest with the service weapon.
www.nytimes.comShooting unarmed people is a failure of policing point blank, period, no excuses. Per the new rules and guidelines set forth by the moderation team, we are going to be harsher on articles/news sources that are posted without a supporting comment on why the article(s)/news source(s) is/are relevant and why they need to be discussed. Thanks in advance for your cooperation, Seeker Who even reported that anyway? Your post wasn't reported by anyone, you can check it yourself. Well that begs two questions then. 1. Why are mods actioning posts that aren't even being reported and giving indefensible explanations? 2. How?
Click on 'report' for the post in question, if the form for reporting shows up it hasn't been reported (on that specific site) but if it has been then it'll notify you.
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you can't report your own posts.
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On April 06 2018 07:34 Nixer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2018 07:28 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 06 2018 07:24 Nixer wrote:On April 06 2018 02:46 GreenHorizons wrote:Yeah, no. Calling bullshit. It's quite clear why I thought it needed to be discussed, and in fact spawned that very discussion. There may be another reason for this action, but the one provided is indefensible. Original Message From TL.net Bot: This is a Warning! Abolish the police, disarm them and most of them will leave on their own. New York City police officers shot and killed a black man who was known to be mentally ill on a Brooklyn street corner on Wednesday afternoon after he pointed what the officers claim they thought was a gun at them, the authorities said. The object, however, turned out to be a metal pipe with a knob on it.
[Angie described Mr. Vassell as a quiet man who often sat outside near a barbershop and sometimes worked odd jobs at her beauty salon for a few dollars.
“He would just walk and bob his head,” she said. “If we ask him to do our chores, he’d come and do it.”
Rocky Brown, 45, who knew him for years, said he was a friendly man who was mentally ill.
“He’s harmless,” Mr. Brown said. “A very willing guy, a very nice guy, a good guy.”
Betty Weaver, 71, said Mr. Vassell would often greet her when she was on her way to church.
Another woman, Nicole Williams, said she had given him $2 earlier on Wednesday afternoon. His last words to her, she said, were “Thank you, God.”] moved this section to the top
The shooting drew a tense, charged crowd of dozens to the streets of Crown Heights. The Police Department had encountered the man before and classified him as emotionally disturbed, and the shooting raised questions about what the officers at the scene knew about him.
four of the officers — the three in street clothes and one uniformed officer — fired 10 bullets in all. The man, identified by his father as Saheed Vassell, 34, was pronounced dead after being taken to Kings County Medical Center.
In an interview at his home late Wednesday night, Mr. Vassell’s father, Eric Vassell, said his son had bipolar disorder and had been admitted to the hospital multiple times in recent years, sometimes after encounters with the police. The younger Mr. Vassell, who was born in Jamaica and came to the United States when he was 6, lived with his family in a Crown Heights apartment and had worked as a welder. He also had a 15-year-old son.
Mr. Vassell’s father said he had never seen his son act as if he had a gun.
He would “just walk around the neighborhood and help people,” the father said.
Area residents said Mr. Vassell was a familiar figure on the corner and a caring father who begged for money in a nearby subway station and did odd jobs for shopkeepers. He loved to dance and was widely known to be mentally ill. People said he had a penchant for picking things up off the street — cigarette lighters, empty bottles and other curbside flotsam — and playing with them like toys.
John Fuller, 59, said that he had known Mr. Vassell for years and that local police officers had, too. He echoed a common refrain: The officers should have known him well enough to not simply shoot him to death. “Every cop in this neighborhood knows him,” Mr. Fuller said.
Witnesses said the police officers appeared to fire almost immediately after they got to the corner around 4:45 p.m. Some of the witnesses said they did not hear the officers say anything to the man before firing, while another witness said she heard the officers and the man exchange some words.
The killing held echoes of the shooting less than three weeks ago in Sacramento in which the police shot and killed a black man who they believed was pointing a gun at them, but who, it turned out, was actually holding a cellphone.
On Wednesday in Brooklyn, Jaccpot Hinds, 40, was walking south on Utica Avenue near Montgomery Street when he saw an unmarked police car pass him and pull across two lanes of traffic near where a man was standing on a street corner. Mr. Hinds said a plainclothes officer got out of the passenger seat of the car and fired at the man several times. The officer appeared to shoot him in the neck, chest and right arm, Mr. Hinds said, and then walked over to the man and prodded his chest with the service weapon.
www.nytimes.comShooting unarmed people is a failure of policing point blank, period, no excuses. Per the new rules and guidelines set forth by the moderation team, we are going to be harsher on articles/news sources that are posted without a supporting comment on why the article(s)/news source(s) is/are relevant and why they need to be discussed. Thanks in advance for your cooperation, Seeker Who even reported that anyway? Your post wasn't reported by anyone, you can check it yourself. Well that begs two questions then. 1. Why are mods actioning posts that aren't even being reported and giving indefensible explanations? 2. How? Click on 'report' for the post in question, if the form for reporting shows up it hasn't been reported (on that specific site) but if it has been then it'll notify you.
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't far more interested in the answer to the first question, but that isn't an option if the post is your own. But it does answer who 'reported' it.
This was a solo act by Seeker without justification best I can tell.
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On April 06 2018 07:37 farvacola wrote:
you can't report your own posts.
Whoops, my bad. Can't check that myself since staff can't be reported with that function and I honestly just forgot.
On April 06 2018 07:39 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2018 07:34 Nixer wrote:On April 06 2018 07:28 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 06 2018 07:24 Nixer wrote:On April 06 2018 02:46 GreenHorizons wrote:Yeah, no. Calling bullshit. It's quite clear why I thought it needed to be discussed, and in fact spawned that very discussion. There may be another reason for this action, but the one provided is indefensible. Original Message From TL.net Bot: This is a Warning! Abolish the police, disarm them and most of them will leave on their own. New York City police officers shot and killed a black man who was known to be mentally ill on a Brooklyn street corner on Wednesday afternoon after he pointed what the officers claim they thought was a gun at them, the authorities said. The object, however, turned out to be a metal pipe with a knob on it.
[Angie described Mr. Vassell as a quiet man who often sat outside near a barbershop and sometimes worked odd jobs at her beauty salon for a few dollars.
“He would just walk and bob his head,” she said. “If we ask him to do our chores, he’d come and do it.”
Rocky Brown, 45, who knew him for years, said he was a friendly man who was mentally ill.
“He’s harmless,” Mr. Brown said. “A very willing guy, a very nice guy, a good guy.”
Betty Weaver, 71, said Mr. Vassell would often greet her when she was on her way to church.
Another woman, Nicole Williams, said she had given him $2 earlier on Wednesday afternoon. His last words to her, she said, were “Thank you, God.”] moved this section to the top
The shooting drew a tense, charged crowd of dozens to the streets of Crown Heights. The Police Department had encountered the man before and classified him as emotionally disturbed, and the shooting raised questions about what the officers at the scene knew about him.
four of the officers — the three in street clothes and one uniformed officer — fired 10 bullets in all. The man, identified by his father as Saheed Vassell, 34, was pronounced dead after being taken to Kings County Medical Center.
In an interview at his home late Wednesday night, Mr. Vassell’s father, Eric Vassell, said his son had bipolar disorder and had been admitted to the hospital multiple times in recent years, sometimes after encounters with the police. The younger Mr. Vassell, who was born in Jamaica and came to the United States when he was 6, lived with his family in a Crown Heights apartment and had worked as a welder. He also had a 15-year-old son.
Mr. Vassell’s father said he had never seen his son act as if he had a gun.
He would “just walk around the neighborhood and help people,” the father said.
Area residents said Mr. Vassell was a familiar figure on the corner and a caring father who begged for money in a nearby subway station and did odd jobs for shopkeepers. He loved to dance and was widely known to be mentally ill. People said he had a penchant for picking things up off the street — cigarette lighters, empty bottles and other curbside flotsam — and playing with them like toys.
John Fuller, 59, said that he had known Mr. Vassell for years and that local police officers had, too. He echoed a common refrain: The officers should have known him well enough to not simply shoot him to death. “Every cop in this neighborhood knows him,” Mr. Fuller said.
Witnesses said the police officers appeared to fire almost immediately after they got to the corner around 4:45 p.m. Some of the witnesses said they did not hear the officers say anything to the man before firing, while another witness said she heard the officers and the man exchange some words.
The killing held echoes of the shooting less than three weeks ago in Sacramento in which the police shot and killed a black man who they believed was pointing a gun at them, but who, it turned out, was actually holding a cellphone.
On Wednesday in Brooklyn, Jaccpot Hinds, 40, was walking south on Utica Avenue near Montgomery Street when he saw an unmarked police car pass him and pull across two lanes of traffic near where a man was standing on a street corner. Mr. Hinds said a plainclothes officer got out of the passenger seat of the car and fired at the man several times. The officer appeared to shoot him in the neck, chest and right arm, Mr. Hinds said, and then walked over to the man and prodded his chest with the service weapon.
www.nytimes.comShooting unarmed people is a failure of policing point blank, period, no excuses. Per the new rules and guidelines set forth by the moderation team, we are going to be harsher on articles/news sources that are posted without a supporting comment on why the article(s)/news source(s) is/are relevant and why they need to be discussed. Thanks in advance for your cooperation, Seeker Who even reported that anyway? Your post wasn't reported by anyone, you can check it yourself. Well that begs two questions then. 1. Why are mods actioning posts that aren't even being reported and giving indefensible explanations? 2. How? Click on 'report' for the post in question, if the form for reporting shows up it hasn't been reported (on that specific site) but if it has been then it'll notify you. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't far more interested in the answer to the first question, but that isn't an option if the post is your own. But it does answer who 'reported' it. This was a solo act by Seeker without justification best I can tell.
I genuinely don't see anything wrong with your post getting actioned, taking the guidelines and precedent into account.
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On April 06 2018 07:41 Nixer wrote:Whoops, my bad. Can't check that myself since staff can't be reported with that function and I honestly just forgot. Show nested quote +On April 06 2018 07:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 06 2018 07:34 Nixer wrote:On April 06 2018 07:28 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 06 2018 07:24 Nixer wrote:On April 06 2018 02:46 GreenHorizons wrote:Yeah, no. Calling bullshit. It's quite clear why I thought it needed to be discussed, and in fact spawned that very discussion. There may be another reason for this action, but the one provided is indefensible. Original Message From TL.net Bot: This is a Warning! Abolish the police, disarm them and most of them will leave on their own. New York City police officers shot and killed a black man who was known to be mentally ill on a Brooklyn street corner on Wednesday afternoon after he pointed what the officers claim they thought was a gun at them, the authorities said. The object, however, turned out to be a metal pipe with a knob on it.
[Angie described Mr. Vassell as a quiet man who often sat outside near a barbershop and sometimes worked odd jobs at her beauty salon for a few dollars.
“He would just walk and bob his head,” she said. “If we ask him to do our chores, he’d come and do it.”
Rocky Brown, 45, who knew him for years, said he was a friendly man who was mentally ill.
“He’s harmless,” Mr. Brown said. “A very willing guy, a very nice guy, a good guy.”
Betty Weaver, 71, said Mr. Vassell would often greet her when she was on her way to church.
Another woman, Nicole Williams, said she had given him $2 earlier on Wednesday afternoon. His last words to her, she said, were “Thank you, God.”] moved this section to the top
The shooting drew a tense, charged crowd of dozens to the streets of Crown Heights. The Police Department had encountered the man before and classified him as emotionally disturbed, and the shooting raised questions about what the officers at the scene knew about him.
four of the officers — the three in street clothes and one uniformed officer — fired 10 bullets in all. The man, identified by his father as Saheed Vassell, 34, was pronounced dead after being taken to Kings County Medical Center.
In an interview at his home late Wednesday night, Mr. Vassell’s father, Eric Vassell, said his son had bipolar disorder and had been admitted to the hospital multiple times in recent years, sometimes after encounters with the police. The younger Mr. Vassell, who was born in Jamaica and came to the United States when he was 6, lived with his family in a Crown Heights apartment and had worked as a welder. He also had a 15-year-old son.
Mr. Vassell’s father said he had never seen his son act as if he had a gun.
He would “just walk around the neighborhood and help people,” the father said.
Area residents said Mr. Vassell was a familiar figure on the corner and a caring father who begged for money in a nearby subway station and did odd jobs for shopkeepers. He loved to dance and was widely known to be mentally ill. People said he had a penchant for picking things up off the street — cigarette lighters, empty bottles and other curbside flotsam — and playing with them like toys.
John Fuller, 59, said that he had known Mr. Vassell for years and that local police officers had, too. He echoed a common refrain: The officers should have known him well enough to not simply shoot him to death. “Every cop in this neighborhood knows him,” Mr. Fuller said.
Witnesses said the police officers appeared to fire almost immediately after they got to the corner around 4:45 p.m. Some of the witnesses said they did not hear the officers say anything to the man before firing, while another witness said she heard the officers and the man exchange some words.
The killing held echoes of the shooting less than three weeks ago in Sacramento in which the police shot and killed a black man who they believed was pointing a gun at them, but who, it turned out, was actually holding a cellphone.
On Wednesday in Brooklyn, Jaccpot Hinds, 40, was walking south on Utica Avenue near Montgomery Street when he saw an unmarked police car pass him and pull across two lanes of traffic near where a man was standing on a street corner. Mr. Hinds said a plainclothes officer got out of the passenger seat of the car and fired at the man several times. The officer appeared to shoot him in the neck, chest and right arm, Mr. Hinds said, and then walked over to the man and prodded his chest with the service weapon.
www.nytimes.comShooting unarmed people is a failure of policing point blank, period, no excuses. Per the new rules and guidelines set forth by the moderation team, we are going to be harsher on articles/news sources that are posted without a supporting comment on why the article(s)/news source(s) is/are relevant and why they need to be discussed. Thanks in advance for your cooperation, Seeker Who even reported that anyway? Your post wasn't reported by anyone, you can check it yourself. Well that begs two questions then. 1. Why are mods actioning posts that aren't even being reported and giving indefensible explanations? 2. How? Click on 'report' for the post in question, if the form for reporting shows up it hasn't been reported (on that specific site) but if it has been then it'll notify you. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't far more interested in the answer to the first question, but that isn't an option if the post is your own. But it does answer who 'reported' it. This was a solo act by Seeker without justification best I can tell. I genuinely don't see anything wrong with your post getting actioned, taking the guidelines and precedent into account.
I do and explained why, I'd request you engage with that if you wish to opine.
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First, this is a website, not a country. You don't have any right to nor should you ever expect "justification" for the things we do here.
Second, we don't ignore posts unless they are reported. We will act when and how we deem apropriate.
Third, We set a pretty clear rule: don't just post links to stuff
Your "discussion" about it is "police shooting unarmed people is bad" which is not a starting point for discussion, nor is your post a reply to another in a discussion with a link to an article which reinforces an argument you made.
I've taken the liberty of writing a new tl;dr for your 2 sentence + link post: "fuck the police"
That is a garbage post.
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On April 06 2018 07:55 tofucake wrote:
First, this is a website, not a country. You don't have any right to nor should you ever expect "justification" for the things we do here.
Second, we don't ignore posts unless they are reported. We will act when and how we deem apropriate.
Third, We set a pretty clear rule: don't just post links to stuff
Your "discussion" about it is "police shooting unarmed people is bad" which is not a starting point for discussion, nor is your post a reply to another in a discussion with a link to an article which reinforces an argument you made.
I've taken the liberty of writing a new tl;dr for your 2 sentence + link post: "fuck the police"
That is a garbage post.
You're arguing against a lot of things I didn't say and sound upset, so I'll let you sit on this post for a little while and see if you want to stick with it.
But to be clear, I'm perfectly aware throwing a tantrum and abusing power is completely within the established parameters of this platform.
If you want to engage with the argument I'm actually making I'll be happy to do so, but this isn't a good way to respond imo.
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I mean, we kinda went through this with Doodsmack's tempban, didn't we? The new rule is that a zingy one-liner followed by a quote of a 15-parapraph article plus a link isn't allowed. Not everyone thinks that rule is necessary, but the mods are certainly allowed to apply new rules when they want to, and this one isn't that onerous to follow.
I can't speak for the mods, but it certainly seems like there would have been no action if you had spent a couple sentences summarizing what's in the article before jumping into what you thinkshould be done about it.
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It wasn't really a tough code to crack. Anyone can post a couple articles a day as long as they put forth their own discussion points. Don't make people guess about why the article is important or why it should be discussed. It doesn't even take more three to four sentences.
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On April 06 2018 09:00 Plansix wrote:
It wasn't really a tough code to crack. Anyone can post a couple articles a day as long as they put forth their own discussion points. Don't make people guess about why the article is important or why it should be discussed. It doesn't even take more three to four sentences.
you didn't have to guess, several people didn't have to guess. It was pretty clear my position is to abolish the police, the article was an example of why, and that was made explicitly clear the concluding sentence where I note the police are failing, reinforcing my belief they must be abolished.
I also proposed one particular way to kick it off by "disarming the police" One of the several discussion jumpoffs within the post.
If that's not enough I'll do more.
I will also do it every time I post an article that's a new example of why I think it's important to discuss, or whatever arbitrary or shitty rules they want to apply. But the reason cited simply doesn't make sense.
It doesn't have to make sense or be helpful, effective, or even just not a really dumb way to do things. Their reasoning can be all those things and they have the power to enforce that. I'm just providing feedback that I think it's bullshit, particularly under the auspices of "being fair to everyone". Which I would contend is just being equally shitty, which is very different than fair.
If the mod message for the warning was:
"We make lazy shitty modding decisions and sometimes react personally to posts that offend us. I'm going to pretend this post didn't have a clear entry to the conversation that obviously followed it as to give the appearance of fairness and reasonable action to what was quite clearly a personal decision about a post I didn't like."
I could have just pasted that and said "that sucks"
Seeker could have posted "tough, deal with it"
and I would have to deal with it or leave.
I just don't like these stupid games of bullshit justification and appeals to fairness while another mod throws a fit and claims they don't need to justify their actions and the standard "freedom of speech" crap that doesn't apply to me because I'm intimately familiar with and recognize the authoritarian control mods have over 'their house'.
Mods can act capriciously, and action people along the whims they please. I was just pointing out it was bullshit (this is feedback).
It can be bullshit and within their power at the same time. They aren't mutually exclusive.
On April 06 2018 08:56 ChristianS wrote:
I mean, we kinda went through this with Doodsmack's tempban, didn't we? The new rule is that a zingy one-liner followed by a quote of a 15-parapraph article plus a link isn't allowed. Not everyone thinks that rule is necessary, but the mods are certainly allowed to apply new rules when they want to, and this one isn't that onerous to follow.
I can't speak for the mods, but it certainly seems like there would have been no action if you had spent a couple sentences summarizing what's in the article before jumping into what you thinkshould be done about it.
If volume or summarizing articles is the issue I can expand but that's not the reason I was given.
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But again, it's a lot like Doodsmack's tempban. It was easy enough for us to tell what he was getting at, but his post only had a single aggressive "here's my opinion" sentence, a quote, and a link. Adding anything more, like a "here's what's in that long article I'm posting" type summary, or "here's why I think this article is actually new significant evidence in this argument and not just an excuse for me to bring up an old argument" type argumentation (you know, tie in the specifics in this case) makes you a lot less likely to get actioned.
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On April 06 2018 11:10 ChristianS wrote:
But again, it's a lot like Doodsmack's tempban. It was easy enough for us to tell what he was getting at, but his post only had a single aggressive "here's my opinion" sentence, a quote, and a link. Adding anything more, like a "here's what's in that long article I'm posting" type summary, or "here's why I think this article is actually new significant evidence in this argument and not just an excuse for me to bring up an old argument" type argumentation (you know, tie in the specifics in this case) makes you a lot less likely to get actioned.
The police killed an unarmed man, AGAIN. The article provides the circumstances. I provided my preferred solution. People disagree, we discuss. That's how this shit works I thought.
I don't know how/why anyone thinks what the mods are doing is helping, but if I have to explain why an article about police killing an unarmed man and abolishing the police go together and deserve discussion I may just be overestimating my company.
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