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On October 19 2011 06:23 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 05:05 Kibibit wrote:On October 18 2011 23:05 TheToast wrote:On October 18 2011 05:38 Plexa wrote:
I use a greasemonkey highlight script so I can single out posts by important people. Makes browsing sc2 x10 easier. I seriously hope this is a joke, or it's kind of sad. There seems to be this view that before the SC2 community started, TL was some wonderland paradise of perfect threads with mannered academic responses disccussing the scientific aspects of Brood War and the cosmos. When, in fact, if you go back to the early 2000's in the Brood War forum; practically every other thread is one sentence (many without punctuation, really making it a "one phrase" thread) written in a stream of conciousness form. Not that there is anything wrong with that. But it's worth noting that it took TL some time to form into a community of posters that produced good content and participated in discussions in meaningful ways. Why are there so many members who are unwilling to afford the SC2 half of the TL community the same time to develop in the same way? Because contrary to some people's belief, TL is a continuum of BW and SC2, not some mutually exclusive split with the two. The SC2 forums of TL are still a forum on TL, and as such are held to the same standards as everyone else on the TL forums. (Let's not forget that if you honestly think that SC2 people are NOT getting a lot of leniency on the grounds that they are new, you're wrong.) Alright, I admit you may have a good point here about TL being one community. But I still think there is some duality. The thread about Bisu, Jaedong, Jangbi, and Fantasy headed to Blizzcon (which due to the fact that there are BW players headed to an SC2 event makes it a truely cross-community thread) is a perfect example. Take some of the things BW players are saying about SC2; if the same things were said by an SC2 player about BW, I feel like the ban hammer would be incoming, or at the very least a warning I'm not arguing for more lenient or more strict rules, I just want to see the rules applied equally. I don't know maybe I'm crazy, but this is just the way I feel about it. Show nested quote +All that said, that was a retarded strawman argument. Nobody but in the light of hyperbole calls the BW Forums, past or present, perfect. I said it seems like it. As in, from my perspective, it sometimes appears that this is the type of attitude certain individuals have. I didn't mean that individuals had literally called the BW forum perfection.
For one, there are people like Sawamura, who do indeed get banned for doing the exact same thing as the blatant trolls/super defensive users from the SC2 forums. Anything further is more a function of TL's general function of Contributions = Leniency. Almost every person getting away with some stealth zing at SC2 has some background of contributions. Much the same way that If I went and copy-pasted some of Rekrul's posts, I'd probably catch a warning for it.
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On October 19 2011 06:53 Kibibit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 06:23 TheToast wrote:On October 19 2011 05:05 Kibibit wrote:On October 18 2011 23:05 TheToast wrote:On October 18 2011 05:38 Plexa wrote:
I use a greasemonkey highlight script so I can single out posts by important people. Makes browsing sc2 x10 easier. I seriously hope this is a joke, or it's kind of sad. There seems to be this view that before the SC2 community started, TL was some wonderland paradise of perfect threads with mannered academic responses disccussing the scientific aspects of Brood War and the cosmos. When, in fact, if you go back to the early 2000's in the Brood War forum; practically every other thread is one sentence (many without punctuation, really making it a "one phrase" thread) written in a stream of conciousness form. Not that there is anything wrong with that. But it's worth noting that it took TL some time to form into a community of posters that produced good content and participated in discussions in meaningful ways. Why are there so many members who are unwilling to afford the SC2 half of the TL community the same time to develop in the same way? Because contrary to some people's belief, TL is a continuum of BW and SC2, not some mutually exclusive split with the two. The SC2 forums of TL are still a forum on TL, and as such are held to the same standards as everyone else on the TL forums. (Let's not forget that if you honestly think that SC2 people are NOT getting a lot of leniency on the grounds that they are new, you're wrong.) Alright, I admit you may have a good point here about TL being one community. But I still think there is some duality. The thread about Bisu, Jaedong, Jangbi, and Fantasy headed to Blizzcon (which due to the fact that there are BW players headed to an SC2 event makes it a truely cross-community thread) is a perfect example. Take some of the things BW players are saying about SC2; if the same things were said by an SC2 player about BW, I feel like the ban hammer would be incoming, or at the very least a warning I'm not arguing for more lenient or more strict rules, I just want to see the rules applied equally. I don't know maybe I'm crazy, but this is just the way I feel about it. All that said, that was a retarded strawman argument. Nobody but in the light of hyperbole calls the BW Forums, past or present, perfect. I said it seems like it. As in, from my perspective, it sometimes appears that this is the type of attitude certain individuals have. I didn't mean that individuals had literally called the BW forum perfection. For one, there are people like Sawamura, who do indeed get banned for doing the exact same thing as the blatant trolls/super defensive users from the SC2 forums. Anything further is more a function of TL's general function of Contributions = Leniency. Almost every person getting away with some stealth zing at SC2 has some background of contributions. Much the same way that If I went and copy-pasted some of Rekrul's posts, I'd probably catch a warning for it.
Alright, I admit you may have a point there. Maybe. 
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On October 19 2011 06:53 Kibibit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 06:23 TheToast wrote:On October 19 2011 05:05 Kibibit wrote:On October 18 2011 23:05 TheToast wrote:On October 18 2011 05:38 Plexa wrote:
I use a greasemonkey highlight script so I can single out posts by important people. Makes browsing sc2 x10 easier. I seriously hope this is a joke, or it's kind of sad. There seems to be this view that before the SC2 community started, TL was some wonderland paradise of perfect threads with mannered academic responses disccussing the scientific aspects of Brood War and the cosmos. When, in fact, if you go back to the early 2000's in the Brood War forum; practically every other thread is one sentence (many without punctuation, really making it a "one phrase" thread) written in a stream of conciousness form. Not that there is anything wrong with that. But it's worth noting that it took TL some time to form into a community of posters that produced good content and participated in discussions in meaningful ways. Why are there so many members who are unwilling to afford the SC2 half of the TL community the same time to develop in the same way? Because contrary to some people's belief, TL is a continuum of BW and SC2, not some mutually exclusive split with the two. The SC2 forums of TL are still a forum on TL, and as such are held to the same standards as everyone else on the TL forums. (Let's not forget that if you honestly think that SC2 people are NOT getting a lot of leniency on the grounds that they are new, you're wrong.) Alright, I admit you may have a good point here about TL being one community. But I still think there is some duality. The thread about Bisu, Jaedong, Jangbi, and Fantasy headed to Blizzcon (which due to the fact that there are BW players headed to an SC2 event makes it a truely cross-community thread) is a perfect example. Take some of the things BW players are saying about SC2; if the same things were said by an SC2 player about BW, I feel like the ban hammer would be incoming, or at the very least a warning I'm not arguing for more lenient or more strict rules, I just want to see the rules applied equally. I don't know maybe I'm crazy, but this is just the way I feel about it. All that said, that was a retarded strawman argument. Nobody but in the light of hyperbole calls the BW Forums, past or present, perfect. I said it seems like it. As in, from my perspective, it sometimes appears that this is the type of attitude certain individuals have. I didn't mean that individuals had literally called the BW forum perfection. For one, there are people like Sawamura, who do indeed get banned for doing the exact same thing as the blatant trolls/super defensive users from the SC2 forums. Anything further is more a function of TL's general function of Contributions = Leniency. Almost every person getting away with some stealth zing at SC2 has some background of contributions. Much the same way that If I went and copy-pasted some of Rekrul's posts, I'd probably catch a warning for it.
From his posts it seems like if I copy-pasted some of Rekrul's life I'd get murdered for it. He's kind of a special case
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On October 14 2011 16:37 Manifesto7 wrote:
I will never ever ever let BW be buried in its own section at the bottom of the sidebar. BW deserves to be celebrated and spotlighted. It is the reason we are here at all. If people want to fuck around in those threads, fine, but I'll ban the shit out of them and BW will still be on the front page.
Half the battle are BW fans though, who give as much as they get, feed the trolls, and refuse to stay on topic. Their behaviour goes a long way in determining how those threads go.
Hey you know what.
I like you guy.
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