Community News + Brood War

On October 13 2011 02:24 Antoine wrote:
I understand you think every sc2 fan is a mongoloid and you want none of them near brood war, but you have to understand that bringing more attention to the bw news threads via community news can only be a good thing for the sustenance of the international BW community.

On October 13 2011 01:43 Chef wrote:

Don't worry, I think staff has learned their lesson after basically destroying five threads in a row by moving it to community news lol. If it happens again I will definitely complain as loudly as I can

edit: wowow just as I say it, it's put into community news. T.T I'll reserve myself until after this turns into a you-know-what debate

On October 13 2011 05:06 Plexa wrote:

Stop being so fucking pessimistic. There isn't anything wrong with the thread yet and if it goes that way we can ban nerds. The most recent things that have gone into cnews were kespa drama stuff so they're naturally more controversial.

BW is a sport and deserves to have legitimate sports discussion. When you invite people who don't follow BW to the discussion it doesn't make sense. Want to community news a finals or a big event? OK. Want to community news something only BW followers understand/care about? I don't get it. What does someone who doesn't follow BW care about bo5 vs bo7? I can see it now, "wow, they're playing less games must mean less people care" followed by 3 pages of reactions from people trying to tell that person that's not what it means at all. It hasn't happened yet, but if it does you guys should seriously think about this.

Original Message From blubbdavid:
Taking out that particular thread out of the community headlines will make your job easier.

Original Message From Manifesto7:
Never surrender.

Original Message From Manifesto7:
Never surrender.

On October 13 2011 12:56 SgtSquiglz wrote:


While I can't say I contribute to the discussion in topics like these, I do really enjoy reading things like this about the BW scene (of which I am admittedly new to). I'm not really in the habit of browsing the BW forums, so putting things like this article in community news makes me much more likely to read the thread. Yes, there will be trolls in the thread, but there may be a lot of people like me who mainly stay in the SC2 side of things that would at least like the content in the OP brought to our attention.

Just my two cents.

On October 14 2011 00:13 Chef wrote:

Yeah, you are right. I was being dumb yesterday. We got five good pages of discussion anyway, it wasn't going to be much more and I can't argue it's bad if more eyes see the thread after that. Sorry for the comparison about lightbulbs, it was inappropriate. I think people who troll community news threads should be banned, though, not temp banned. They obviously have no intention of positive contribution, and I can't stop BW fans from reacting apocalyptically to every troll post with 10 responses lol.

Sorry~

On October 13 2011 12:12 Chef wrote:
Probulous, page 5 is when the thread was made Community News and there's already 7 posts on that page alone that are offtopic/degenerated. I did say give it a chance and see if the same thing happens again, but if you check previous threads where they were community newsed they all have big warnings on the top of them from mods getting frustrated with offtopic discussion and they all lost anything meaningful that was happening in them before they were community news'd.

BW is a sport and deserves to have legitimate sports discussion. When you invite people who don't follow BW to the discussion it doesn't make sense. Want to community news a finals or a big event? OK. Want to community news something only BW followers understand/care about? I don't get it. What does someone who doesn't follow BW care about bo5 vs bo7? I can see it now, "wow, they're playing less games must mean less people care" followed by 3 pages of reactions from people trying to tell that person that's not what it means at all. It hasn't happened yet, but if it does you guys should seriously think about this. That's called feedback, I'm pretty sure this is the right forum. Don't take it personally.

On October 13 2011 01:50 Chef wrote:
We're beginning to have a pretty long history of BW news threads being destroyed after being put into the Community News section. And by this I mean being turned into SC2 vs BW discussion, or What does this mean for SC2??? or Looks like BW is dying!! or whatever. Frankly it's bad for the thread and no one likes it.

On October 13 2011 23:11 flamewheel wrote:

This makes my day start better.

On October 13 2011 09:22 Kiri wrote:
No one cares about brood war anymore.... Tell the pros to come over to Starcraft 2!!! :D

On October 13 2011 01:50 Chef wrote:
We're beginning to have a pretty long history of BW news threads being destroyed after being put into the Community News section. And by this I mean being turned into SC2 vs BW discussion, or What does this mean for SC2??? or Looks like BW is dying!! or whatever. Frankly it's bad for the thread and no one likes it.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274673

So PLEASE! If this thread turns into that again, stop doing it. Learn your lesson. Stop licking the lightbulb. At least consider it. No amount of moderation is going to keep discussion interesting, you just have to stop inviting 4chan to BW news threads.

On October 14 2011 16:37 Manifesto7 wrote:
I will never ever ever let BW be buried in its own section at the bottom of the sidebar. BW deserves to be celebrated and spotlighted. It is the reason we are here at all.

On October 14 2011 16:37 Manifesto7 wrote:
I will never ever ever let BW be buried in its own section at the bottom of the sidebar. BW deserves to be celebrated and spotlighted. It is the reason we are here at all. If people want to fuck around in those threads, fine, but I'll ban the shit out of them and BW will still be on the front page.

Half the battle are BW fans though, who give as much as they get, feed the trolls, and refuse to stay on topic. Their behaviour goes a long way in determining how those threads go.

On October 14 2011 22:27 ShadowWolf wrote:
The better idea is just don't respond to the SC2 > BW trolls. E.g. on page 5 there's 1 bad post and like 6 responses to it. The best thing is to just report the post and move on.

On October 15 2011 01:38 TheToast wrote:


Warcraft: Orcs and Humans, and Warcraft 2 are part of the reason we are here. Without the powerful fan bases and communities that formed around those games in the 90s, Blizzard probably would never have made Starcraft. However if someone came into TL and told all the BW fans that their support of BW was ruining Warcraft 2 as an Esport, I'm guessing they wouldn't be taken seriously. It's possible to appreciate something nostalgic, without creating a religion around it

... and on and on ...

Sorry if this got rambly, but I thought it was necessary to make my argument

On October 15 2011 15:11 Manifesto7 wrote:


What are you talking about. TL never covered WarCraft. But if it did, I would community news that too. Your argument is terrible and not based in reality.

SC2 people need to stop shitting on BW. BW people need to stop being such fish when it comes to trolling.

On October 13 2011 12:12 Chef wrote:
Probulous, page 5 is when the thread was made Community News and there's already 7 posts on that page alone that are offtopic/degenerated. + Show Spoiler +

On October 18 2011 05:38 Plexa wrote:
I use a greasemonkey highlight script so I can single out posts by important people. Makes browsing sc2 x10 easier.

On October 18 2011 06:05 blubbdavid wrote:
For some reason, the "Omg BW players attend blizzcon" thread makes me sad and weary somehow.

On October 18 2011 23:05 TheToast wrote:


I seriously hope this is a joke, or it's kind of sad.

There seems to be this view that before the SC2 community started, TL was some wonderland paradise of perfect threads with mannered academic responses disccussing the scientific aspects of Brood War and the cosmos.

When, in fact, if you go back to the early 2000's in the Brood War forum; practically every other thread is one sentence (many without punctuation, really making it a "one phrase" thread) written in a stream of conciousness form.

Not that there is anything wrong with that. But it's worth noting that it took TL some time to form into a community of posters that produced good content and participated in discussions in meaningful ways. Why are there so many members who are unwilling to afford the SC2 half of the TL community the same time to develop in the same way?

On October 19 2011 05:05 Kibibit wrote:


Because contrary to some people's belief, TL is a continuum of BW and SC2, not some mutually exclusive split with the two. The SC2 forums of TL are still a forum on TL, and as such are held to the same standards as everyone else on the TL forums. (Let's not forget that if you honestly think that SC2 people are NOT getting a lot of leniency on the grounds that they are new, you're wrong.)

All that said, that was a retarded strawman argument. Nobody but in the light of hyperbole calls the BW Forums, past or present, perfect.

On October 19 2011 06:23 TheToast wrote:


Alright, I admit you may have a good point here about TL being one community.

But I still think there is some duality. The thread about Bisu, Jaedong, Jangbi, and Fantasy headed to Blizzcon (which due to the fact that there are BW players headed to an SC2 event makes it a truely cross-community thread) is a perfect example. Take some of the things BW players are saying about SC2; if the same things were said by an SC2 player about BW, I feel like the ban hammer would be incoming, or at the very least a warning

I'm not arguing for more lenient or more strict rules, I just want to see the rules applied equally. I don't know maybe I'm crazy, but this is just the way I feel about it.



I said it seems like it. As in, from my perspective, it sometimes appears that this is the type of attitude certain individuals have. I didn't mean that individuals had literally called the BW forum perfection.

On October 19 2011 06:53 Kibibit wrote:

For one, there are people like Sawamura, who do indeed get banned for doing the exact same thing as the blatant trolls/super defensive users from the SC2 forums. Anything further is more a function of TL's general function of Contributions = Leniency. Almost every person getting away with some stealth zing at SC2 has some background of contributions. Much the same way that If I went and copy-pasted some of Rekrul's posts, I'd probably catch a warning for it.

On October 19 2011 06:53 Kibibit wrote:

For one, there are people like Sawamura, who do indeed get banned for doing the exact same thing as the blatant trolls/super defensive users from the SC2 forums. Anything further is more a function of TL's general function of Contributions = Leniency. Almost every person getting away with some stealth zing at SC2 has some background of contributions. Much the same way that If I went and copy-pasted some of Rekrul's posts, I'd probably catch a warning for it.

On October 14 2011 16:37 Manifesto7 wrote:
I will never ever ever let BW be buried in its own section at the bottom of the sidebar. BW deserves to be celebrated and spotlighted. It is the reason we are here at all. If people want to fuck around in those threads, fine, but I'll ban the shit out of them and BW will still be on the front page.

Half the battle are BW fans though, who give as much as they get, feed the trolls, and refuse to stay on topic. Their behaviour goes a long way in determining how those threads go.