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ShadowWolf
United States197 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
Why do people feel the need to quote things like these obvious trolls? On October 13 2011 09:22 Kiri wrote: No one cares about brood war anymore.... Tell the pros to come over to Starcraft 2!!! :D I mean,I agree that there's always a few trolls that want to stir up shit but to be fair the most effective way to handle them is to hit that report button and wait for the hit squad to come in and people should be experienced enough to know this. Every time I see these "sc2 idiots" do this there is a fair amount of "white knight BW guys" coming in quoting the guy to tell him how wrong he is and that he should get banned...What do they expect to gain from that?Than what happens is some BW comment is made about how sc2 sucks and than "sc2 white knights" come into the thread and derail it even further. If there is a high quality of BW posters I never understood why people fall for such bad and obvious trolls.I'm sorry,but to be fair a good amount of times BW people make their own threads go to shit by responding to these kind of people in the first place. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
I would like it if ALL KeSPA related news just stay in the BW forum. Every time I see something something KeSPA related SC2 trolls come out in force and say incredible dumb/misinformed things about KeSPA or the BW scene. These people don't give two shits about BW and are only there to piss people off who do on subjects that easily strikes our communities nerves. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On October 13 2011 01:50 Chef wrote: We're beginning to have a pretty long history of BW news threads being destroyed after being put into the Community News section. And by this I mean being turned into SC2 vs BW discussion, or What does this mean for SC2??? or Looks like BW is dying!! or whatever. Frankly it's bad for the thread and no one likes it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274673 So PLEASE! If this thread turns into that again, stop doing it. Learn your lesson. Stop licking the lightbulb. At least consider it. No amount of moderation is going to keep discussion interesting, you just have to stop inviting 4chan to BW news threads. I really support this suggestion. I was myself temp banned for making a SC2 comment in a BW section post tagged as community news. Granted, I have learned not to, in Chef's words, "lick lightbulbs", but the situation is getting a bit absurd. Many SC2 fans would love to see more BW players switch to SC2, and many see the falling popularity of BW as providing just that opportunity. I can completely understand why that setiment should be kept out of the BW forum section. But when you call something "community news", I think that should invite ANYONE from the community to share their opinions on the subject as long as they do so in a mannered way. It's absurd to be banning people for favoring SC2 over BW. I really think this is part of a larger issue of a developing BW versus SC2 culture, and something that I feel is a big issue here. I loooooove BW I bought the game back in 2000 and probably I played through the campaign 5,000,000 times. At the time a null modem cable was the only means my brother and I had of connecting our PCs. I remember dragging my heavy PC (with one of those big huge CRT monitors) to the otherside of the house so we could play multiplayer. I have some very good BW memories  But like many, I see SC2 as the natural evolution of the game--an evolution that I believe has to take place to allow Esports to continue to grow. While I understand that there are still many hardcore BW fans, I think many of them are beggining to feel threatened by SC2's success and are lashing out and I find it totally unnacceptable. I might reference the OP reffering to SC2 fans as "4chan" as an example of the undue disrespect.The world moves on, whether we want it to or not. I don't hate SC2 because it sank my beloved WC3 scene, I embrace it because it provides new exciting gameplay. With conventional sports, there are really only so many ways a game can be played (half of them are basically the same game anyway, Cricket and Baseball?) In a sport where literally any form of competition is possible, it's only natural to have a continued evolution and changes to the games we play. If you want to stay with the old game, that's fine. But don't hate people for accepting the new. On October 14 2011 16:37 Manifesto7 wrote: I will never ever ever let BW be buried in its own section at the bottom of the sidebar. BW deserves to be celebrated and spotlighted. It is the reason we are here at all. Warcraft: Orcs and Humans, and Warcraft 2 are part of the reason we are here. Without the powerful fan bases and communities that formed around those games in the 90s, Blizzard probably would never have made Starcraft. However if someone came into TL and told all the BW fans that their support of BW was ruining Warcraft 2 as an Esport, I'm guessing they wouldn't be taken seriously. It's possible to appreciate something nostalgic, without creating a religion around it. It's also notable that supporting SC2 is itself, in a way, paying homage to BW. For example, as long as a SC pro scene exists on any level, people are still going to remember players like Boxer. Isn't that in a way celebrating BW? Obviously, someone posting "F*ck BW" shouldn't be accepted on any level. But if someone suggests in a community thread, that bad news for BW can mean good news for SC2, it's absurd to run them out of TL. Having to walk on eggshells everytime I reply to a post in community news, second guessing if I am going to offend any BW fans with my pro SC2 opinions and end up tarred and feathered is rediculous. Back to the point: either support Chef's suggestion and separate the news sections out, or stop allowing BW members to attack SC2 fans for having a different opinion. Keeping the status quo just makes it miserable for everyone. Sorry if this got rambly, but I thought it was necessary to make my argument  | ||
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ShadowWolf
United States197 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25993 Posts
Entirely-negative comments about BW: + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274673¤tpage=4#74 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274673¤tpage=5#88 Entirely-negative comments about TL: + Show Spoiler + So that's 4 comments (plus some replies to those comments) out of 132 comments. My conclusion is that the problem is significantly smaller than you're making it out to be. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On October 14 2011 16:37 Manifesto7 wrote: I will never ever ever let BW be buried in its own section at the bottom of the sidebar. BW deserves to be celebrated and spotlighted. It is the reason we are here at all. If people want to fuck around in those threads, fine, but I'll ban the shit out of them and BW will still be on the front page. Half the battle are BW fans though, who give as much as they get, feed the trolls, and refuse to stay on topic. Their behaviour goes a long way in determining how those threads go. You are the fearless leader. Not just because I respect you so much, but because you are right. Some days my resolve is just weak. | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On October 14 2011 22:27 ShadowWolf wrote: The better idea is just don't respond to the SC2 > BW trolls. E.g. on page 5 there's 1 bad post and like 6 responses to it. The best thing is to just report the post and move on. this is very, very true. and not only with regards to sc2 > or < bw trolls, but almost any bad post, threads would derail into shit much less if people just reported posts instead of replying to them (or ignored them if already reported/they dont fit reporting requirements) and the forum would be a better place. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
If Carnacs advice was followed those would be the only comments that affect the thread. bw vs sc2 is a stupid argument in general. people can be banned from sc2 strategy... can people be banned from bw? | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27158 Posts
On October 15 2011 01:38 TheToast wrote: Warcraft: Orcs and Humans, and Warcraft 2 are part of the reason we are here. Without the powerful fan bases and communities that formed around those games in the 90s, Blizzard probably would never have made Starcraft. However if someone came into TL and told all the BW fans that their support of BW was ruining Warcraft 2 as an Esport, I'm guessing they wouldn't be taken seriously. It's possible to appreciate something nostalgic, without creating a religion around it ... and on and on ... Sorry if this got rambly, but I thought it was necessary to make my argument What are you talking about. TL never covered WarCraft. But if it did, I would community news that too. Your argument is terrible and not based in reality. SC2 people need to stop shitting on BW. BW people need to stop being such fish when it comes to trolling. This problem really isn't anything, and BW news will continue to front paged. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On October 15 2011 15:11 Manifesto7 wrote: What are you talking about. TL never covered WarCraft. But if it did, I would community news that too. Your argument is terrible and not based in reality. I'm aware TL never covered WC. *sigh* obviously you didn't get my argument but that's okay. The point I was trying to make is that I'm just a exacerbated by hardcore BW fans assuming SC2 fans are all crazy 4chan n00bs and treating them that way. SC2 people need to stop shitting on BW. BW people need to stop being such fish when it comes to trolling. I agree completely. I just think there has been some unfair treatment of SC2 fans in this regard. | ||
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Chef
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On October 13 2011 12:12 Chef wrote: Probulous, page 5 is when the thread was made Community News and there's already 7 posts on that page alone that are offtopic/degenerated. + Show Spoiler + I did say give it a chance and see if the same thing happens again, but if you check previous threads where they were community newsed they all have big warnings on the top of them from mods getting frustrated with offtopic discussion and they all lost anything meaningful that was happening in them before they were community news'd. BW is a sport and deserves to have legitimate sports discussion. When you invite people who don't follow BW to the discussion it doesn't make sense. Want to community news a finals or a big event? OK. Want to community news something only BW followers understand/care about? I don't get it. What does someone who doesn't follow BW care about bo5 vs bo7? I can see it now, "wow, they're playing less games must mean less people care" followed by 3 pages of reactions from people trying to tell that person that's not what it means at all. It hasn't happened yet, but if it does you guys should seriously think about this. That's called feedback, I'm pretty sure this is the right forum. Don't take it personally. Welcome to our shitty little world. Imagine, if you will, a place where you have to sift through a dozen pages while scanning post content and usernames in hope that there might be a valid or official response by someone important or intelligent! + Show Spoiler + .. Sorry, I don't agree with your suggestion EVEN THOUGH I don't think it's as bad as the other responses here. Unfortunately I'm unimportant and the negative feedback on said idea is from people who are. TT sorry. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On October 18 2011 05:38 Plexa wrote: I use a greasemonkey highlight script so I can single out posts by important people. Makes browsing sc2 x10 easier. I seriously hope this is a joke, or it's kind of sad. There seems to be this view that before the SC2 community started, TL was some wonderland paradise of perfect threads with mannered academic responses disccussing the scientific aspects of Brood War and the cosmos. When, in fact, if you go back to the early 2000's in the Brood War forum; practically every other thread is one sentence (many without punctuation, really making it a "one phrase" thread) written in a stream of conciousness form. Not that there is anything wrong with that. But it's worth noting that it took TL some time to form into a community of posters that produced good content and participated in discussions in meaningful ways. Why are there so many members who are unwilling to afford the SC2 half of the TL community the same time to develop in the same way? | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
On October 18 2011 06:05 blubbdavid wrote: For some reason, the "Omg BW players attend blizzcon" thread makes me sad and weary somehow. They just keep having the same arguments over and over again. It's boring. | ||
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
I enjoy sharing BW news with the rest of the community. It's probably the best way I can contribute to this wonderful community besides girl blog advices, but that's another story hehehe. Thankfully, when I slack off in search of new BW news, other users kindly PM me about them and I am delighted to spend some time translating it for everyone. It'd be really sad if BW and SC2 communities were restricted from participating in each other - that's almost like KeSPA'ing ourselves, and that's not a good thing. In terms of the evident BW vs. SC2 arguments and battles, I just think it's part of the natural, unavoidable consequences of being in a large diverse community. I, for one, don't particularly find "oh maybe x and y are considering switching over to SC2" very offensive. It'll be incredibly sad if that switch was forced by the closure of the former game, or large financial gaps in between the two. However, if a player decides to switch for his own career and enjoyment, then we should congratulate him (or her...) and wish all the best in his new field. Now, that being said, some SC2 fans do not have the gift of words to phrase that nicely, and often it comes up really blunt and offensive - in which case, I suppose a warning or a short ban will let him/her know. | ||
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Kibibit
United States1551 Posts
On October 18 2011 23:05 TheToast wrote: I seriously hope this is a joke, or it's kind of sad. There seems to be this view that before the SC2 community started, TL was some wonderland paradise of perfect threads with mannered academic responses disccussing the scientific aspects of Brood War and the cosmos. When, in fact, if you go back to the early 2000's in the Brood War forum; practically every other thread is one sentence (many without punctuation, really making it a "one phrase" thread) written in a stream of conciousness form. Not that there is anything wrong with that. But it's worth noting that it took TL some time to form into a community of posters that produced good content and participated in discussions in meaningful ways. Why are there so many members who are unwilling to afford the SC2 half of the TL community the same time to develop in the same way? Because contrary to some people's belief, TL is a continuum of BW and SC2, not some mutually exclusive split with the two. The SC2 forums of TL are still a forum on TL, and as such are held to the same standards as everyone else on the TL forums. (Let's not forget that if you honestly think that SC2 people are NOT getting a lot of leniency on the grounds that they are new, you're wrong.) All that said, that was a retarded strawman argument. Nobody but in the light of hyperbole calls the BW Forums, past or present, perfect. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On October 19 2011 05:05 Kibibit wrote: Because contrary to some people's belief, TL is a continuum of BW and SC2, not some mutually exclusive split with the two. The SC2 forums of TL are still a forum on TL, and as such are held to the same standards as everyone else on the TL forums. (Let's not forget that if you honestly think that SC2 people are NOT getting a lot of leniency on the grounds that they are new, you're wrong.) Alright, I admit you may have a good point here about TL being one community. But I still think there is some duality. The thread about Bisu, Jaedong, Jangbi, and Fantasy headed to Blizzcon (which due to the fact that there are BW players headed to an SC2 event makes it a truely cross-community thread) is a perfect example. Take some of the things BW players are saying about SC2; if the same things were said by an SC2 player about BW, I feel like the ban hammer would be incoming, or at the very least a warning I'm not arguing for more lenient or more strict rules, I just want to see the rules applied equally. I don't know maybe I'm crazy, but this is just the way I feel about it. All that said, that was a retarded strawman argument. Nobody but in the light of hyperbole calls the BW Forums, past or present, perfect. I said it seems like it. As in, from my perspective, it sometimes appears that this is the type of attitude certain individuals have. I didn't mean that individuals had literally called the BW forum perfection. | ||
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