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Meapak_Ziphh
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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kitaman27
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On May 21 2011 00:28 Barundar wrote: The problem with the incog bandwagon since day 1 has been noone really took responsability for it. It has been several weak votes votes that simply met little resistance. Yesterday i kept hoping for ace or foolishness to point out what exactly it was that deemed incog mafia, but they never did. Both of them also switched votes (or in foolishness' case tried) near the end indicating a nowhere near strong case. Today it has been more of the same, with suspicious people like chaoser simply requesting that we stuck to discussing the same targets as yesterday. When incog claims america he is met with an attitude of "you knew you where gonna be suspicious, so you picked the most obvious role no mafia would pick to fool us. Calling your bluff!", which is obviously a bs WIFOM argument. The problem with this statement is that Incog's logic for rationalizing his America pick is even more WIFOM to begin with. Also, I took responsibility for the case against Incog when I posted this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218973¤tpage=46#917 I do, however, agree that Incog’s reaction was very pro-town. I’m sticking to my analysis, though. Bumatlarge, why did you pick Watcher? It’s so terribly vague that I can’t help but feel it’s useless. Feel free to prove me wrong. On May 21 2011 03:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hi ppl I love you. Hi, but On May 16 2011 14:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Amazing day post Ver  That’s so scummy, you even used the lurk smiley!!111 My reads on the Kavdragon list: GMarshal – That M2DT claim is pretty sound. I’m not going to forget the weird Kavdragon vote switch, but in my mind, the rest of GMarshal’s actions have been relatively pro-town. I think he’s town. Chezinu – So I asked him to help out Town by claiming. No response. I’m guessing he’s a mafia who’s given up on life. Node – Haven’t seen a solid argument against him; the people who say Node is scummy seem to be using the same logic as against Foolishness, which I don’t buy. No read. Caller – Has been posting with a pro-town attitude, even if not much. I think he’s been doing his best to lead the town in the right direction, especially by focusing us down on this list (Even if we RNGed it, 2/5 is WAY better than 6/23, and it helps to keep the town from getting distracted like on Day 1) @Accusations on Chaoser: I thought the Foolishness wagon was bad, but up until Bumatlarge’s post, I saw no valid reasons provided for accusations against Chaoser. Bum does have a very legitimate point with Chaoser’s defensive attitude, although to be fair Chaoser has been taking a flood of shitty accusations. I see so many people saying that “his general posting style” indicates scumminess and saying he doesn’t require an analysis. I want to see one, or I’m not buying this. To avoid being a hypocrite, here goes nothing yet again: KillerSOS First thing I notice when I filter KillerSOS’s posts is that he has around 35 posts. Except, I’m pretty sure this post alone is bigger than all 35 of his put together. I'm sorry, but I am really going to have to draw conclusions on thin evidence (although the absence of evidence will turn out to be evidence, in this case). Jesus Christ, this guy REALLY doesn’t like posting anything long. Or valuable, as it turns out: Around number picking time: On May 14 2011 10:28 KillerSOS wrote: Well I'm going with two mid range numbers. Dare you to guess them. This post actually didn’t raise any flags by itself. However, what did raise a flag for me is the fact that he picked [5][11] in the end. 5 is NOT a midrange number. This tells me one of a few things: 1) he’s trying to deceive everyone, 2) he doesn’t really care about what the town knows, or 3) he couldn’t settle on numbers before posting. The first two are pretty scummy, so I’ll go with the third one for benefit of the doubt. On May 16 2011 16:15 KillerSOS wrote: I also believe that clashes in numbers won't be that useful this early in the game. I'm sure that the mafia are smart enough to grab some top slots, while at the same time randomizing the other half of their members. One odd aspect of this post is that he assumes the strategy he states is “smart.” He’s clearly put at least some thought into mafia number picking strategy. There are reasons for picking all low numbers and reasons for going all random, as well as a million other strategies. But this one is smart. The reason I’m reading into this so much is because there is almost nothing to fucking read into at all. On May 17 2011 03:10 KillerSOS wrote: I think it's fairly obvious that you are just spitting out nonsense. Would you like to explain yourself? Kinda like an OMGUS, except without votes. Instead of explaining himself, KillerSOS redirects attention onto Scamp himself in a pretty antagonistic way. I really do NOT like the attitude of this post. KillerSOS has no reason at this point to be so virile at Scamp; there aren’t any strong accusations. On May 18 2011 14:10 KillerSOS wrote: Wow, that was a quick swap to Kav. Makes me a bit nervous. On May 18 2011 14:13 KillerSOS wrote: Well that was unexpected. ..Not This is after the Day 1 Lynch. This pair of posts gives me bad vibes, as if he was watching the lynch closely and didn’t bother to post until 1 minute before the Day post. By the way, his last post before these two was 22 hours before. On May 18 2011 14:32 KillerSOS wrote: What's wrong with being on the Incognito list? I don't see how Kav flipping town proves you're a townie. This is actually a legitimate post! I’m proud. On May 19 2011 03:44 KillerSOS wrote: Yeah man, knowing the lynch on Kev was wrong automatically makes me suspicious. Or it could just make me intelligent, who knows? Once again, a passive-aggressive response to town pressure. A response without a response. KillerSOS is trying to shuffle off accusations without saying anything for himself at all. On May 19 2011 14:36 KillerSOS wrote: Why would you share that you are king? That's a dangerous thing to tell us. This is very true. KillerSOS is the first to bring up that revealing kingship is dangerous (namely because of the possibility of a day roleblock and journalist). He’s clearly thought about the consequences of the Kingmaker, although that doesn’t necessarily mean from a mafia standpoint. But even so, he does enough thinking to come to this conclusion, and gives a barebones statement like this? I don’t like KillerSOS’s policy of hiding as much from town as possible. On May 19 2011 23:07 KillerSOS wrote: Is it not a safe bet to ride the "Lynch the Incog" train? He was already a high profile target Day 1 and really hasn't done anything to improve his image. If we take what GM says at face value we are getting great odds at a mafia lynch. The only issue is that even if the lynch flips blue that doesn't prove anyone else red at this point. There are no real connections between any of those players. His last post in thread. That’s THIRTY-THREE AND A HALF hours ago. On top of that, as I said before, the attitude of taking the safe route and trying to ride bandwagons is absurdly scummy. Conclusion: This guy has SO many posts that literally add nothing. A bunch of them aren’t even relevant to gameplay, and some play Captain Obvious. When pressured, KillerSOS either goes straight into full-on aggressive defense, or turtles for thirty hours. Neither is a pro-town response whatsoever. I don’t think he can provide an inactivity excuse, since his votes have been rather timely. KillerSOS is actively trying to minimize himself as much as possible, to a ludicrous degree. I don’t even think a scared townie would go this far. I was going to put all his useless posts into a spoiler dump pile, but I decided it wasn't worth the effort. | ||
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infinitestory
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 21 2011 08:11 kitaman27 wrote: Wiggles, will you be around to use your kill at least three hours before the lynch? That should give us enough time to switch based on the results. I would suggest lynching into the kav group. It's Incognito and KillerSOS imo. One from the Kav group, the other from the "chaffe" group. Either way they are the top 2 vote getters. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On May 21 2011 08:11 kitaman27 wrote: Wiggles, will you be around to use your kill at least three hours before the lynch? That should give us enough time to switch based on the results. I would suggest lynching into the kav group. I'll be around. So, right now there's 3 kinds of opinions about what to do with the kill. 1. Shoot Incognito, see what he flips, act accordingly 2. Shoot Node, see what he flips, act accordingly 3. Shoot KillerSOS, complete lynch as normal | ||
Ver
United States2186 Posts
radfield kitaman27 incognito mr wiggles eiii All of you need to vote within the next 4 hours. Incognito: 8 infinitestory killersos ace tnkted foolishness chezinu OriginalName bumatlarge killersos: 5 fishball flamewheel meapak kurumi deconduo node: 2 gmarshal barundar foolishness: 2 node chaoser | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On May 21 2011 08:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I'll be around. So, right now there's 3 kinds of opinions about what to do with the kill. 1. Shoot Incognito, see what he flips, act accordingly 2. Shoot Node, see what he flips, act accordingly 3. Shoot KillerSOS, complete lynch as normal I would shoot sooner rather than later. If we get some information there needs to be time to change the lynch if it is necessary. | ||
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chaoser
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I think we should shoot Killer, and vote normally. We get very little info from a KillerSOS vote, regardless of flip. We get all sorts of info from a Incog/Node vote no matter what. | ||
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On May 21 2011 09:18 Radfield wrote: Reading that analysis of KillerSOS makes me think he just terrible, and not scum at all. However, I've certainly played with players on my scum-team who posted like that. I think we should shoot Killer, and vote normally. We get very little info from a KillerSOS vote, regardless of flip. We get all sorts of info from a Incog/Node vote no matter what. I can certainly see why you'd say that. One of the biggest reasons I think he's scum is his response to pressure: he either fires back briefly at the accuser, or he just vanishes. The former may be terrible town play, but I can't see a townie simply disappearing as calls for his lynch rise. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On May 21 2011 09:18 Radfield wrote: Reading that analysis of KillerSOS makes me think he just terrible, and not scum at all. However, I've certainly played with players on my scum-team who posted like that. I think we should shoot Killer, and vote normally. We get very little info from a KillerSOS vote, regardless of flip. We get all sorts of info from a Incog/Node vote no matter what. You are contradicting yourself. If you believe the Incog/Node flip would give more information than a Killer flip, why shoot Killer first? Wouldn't it be better the other way around? | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On May 21 2011 09:24 kitaman27 wrote: You are contradicting yourself. If you believe the Incog/Node flip would give more information than a Killer flip, why shoot Killer first? Wouldn't it be better the other way around? I think he means the vote lists from an Incog/Node lynch would be more telling than vote lists from a KillerSOS lynch. | ||
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KillerSOS
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Meapak_Ziphh
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KillerSOS
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6782 Posts
On May 21 2011 09:33 KillerSOS wrote: Managed to get through the last 2 pages on my horrible phone internet... If you want to lynch me it's a waste, but feel free. I'm PYP Tracker Results of your action last night? | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On May 21 2011 09:24 kitaman27 wrote: You are contradicting yourself. If you believe the Incog/Node flip would give more information than a Killer flip, why shoot Killer first? Wouldn't it be better the other way around? The info I was referring to is where people place their votes and why, etc. No one even needs to post a reason to vote KillerSOS, so even if he flips red, we get nothing from the vote. Given the fact that this thread is ultra-quiet, i'm getting the feeling we may be heading towards several dead townies. I'd much prefer to lynch Node over Incog, but Incog dying will really clear the air and allow things to move forward as town, which is what we need to happen. There are certain things that will be easier for me to see once Incog flips. That being said, I think Node is the better lynch. ##Vote Node | ||
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