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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
*Pokes Wiggles
Shot within the hour? If Ver isn't around then we might have to wait longer than expected.
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On May 21 2011 10:23 kitaman27 wrote:
*Pokes Wiggles
Shot within the hour? If Ver isn't around then we might have to wait longer than expected.
Sure, I'm just trying to figure out who to shoot. :p
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On May 21 2011 10:26 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 10:23 kitaman27 wrote:
*Pokes Wiggles
Shot within the hour? If Ver isn't around then we might have to wait longer than expected. Sure, I'm just trying to figure out who to shoot. :p
Don't worry, we're only going to lynch you when you're wrong. No pressure.
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On May 21 2011 10:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 10:13 Incognito wrote:On May 21 2011 05:45 Foolishness wrote:On May 21 2011 05:24 Ace wrote:On May 21 2011 05:07 Radfield wrote:On May 21 2011 04:34 Ace wrote:
@GMarshal: If we don't lynch Incognito then who from the remaining players on the list is the second Scum? We have to clear that out first. Does ANYONE else on that list appear Scummier than Incognito? If so, vote for them. I'm not trying to be a dink here, but I don't fully understand why we need to clear the list out. I understand we need to eventually, but why right away, right now? We have the information, so it can wait for us to deal with it until we're ready. Our ultimate goal is to kill the mafia, so if targeting players on the list doesn't get that done the best, then we let it lie for now. No? No one really has a anti-town read on either Caller or flame, GMarshal seems town aligned, Incog seems town to a large portion, and Node doesn't seem particularly scummy. It seems to me that waiting a night cycle and putting some investigations on those remaining 5 is a prudent course of action. If mafia want to shoot players off the list, great. Better them than us. Also, GMarshall, it's a bit ironic that you mention no one is coming to Incogs defense, because actually quite a few players are. Myself, Barundar, yourself, tnkted, dreamflower and maybe a couple others. Mind you, in my mind those are almost mostly 'lock-solid townies'. We clear it out because we know 2 out of 6 are scum. Why would we go another direction when we already know where to look? That makes no sense. Secondly a "large portion" of town hasn't claimed Incog is innocent, especially looking at the voting thread so that point is false. If you don't have an anti-town read on Caller or flame, believe GMashal and Incog are town, and that Node doesn't seem Scummy then who does that leave? Odds are even better because it's 2/5. So far Chaoser is the only one that sheds doubt upon the validity of the 2/5 (more due to mafia intervention with a framer than he doubts GMarshal). With all the nice KP roles for the mafia I find it hard to believe they would pick framer. Especially since if they wanted to hide themselves they'd be picking the GF roles instead of framer. As what Ace said before, we need to clean up the list now because the odds are better than trying to hunt in the town pool. I don't see how you can make an argument against this, especially since it's only day 2 (it's not like we got 5 days of analysis to try to pin down mafia). Anyone who tries to vote elsewhere or make analysis on other people than the 5 (6) in the list need to be looked at carefully once the list is sorted through. All you're doing at the moment is distracting the town. If we just focus on the list we can hopefully nail the 2 mafia without suffering town casualties. These paragraphs and paragraphs of analysis against myself, chaoser, KillerSOS are just cluttering up the town at the moment, and the people making these are mafia in my head because they are just trying to get the town off focus from the list. If you think I'm mafia, or chaoser is mafia, or whoever is not on the list, great. I'm all for throwing analysis around. But geez just wait until the list is cleared up and stop cluttering the thread. Summarize your suspicion in one sentence and focus on someone on the list. And before you jump on me for not doing this, I have wanted to kill Incog since yesterday, same reasons as Ace has stated, and that hasn't changed. If there still is a mafia on the list after Incog and Chez are dead I want to kill Node. Mr. analysis and scumhunting is content to go with "the odds" and chill on the sidelines. This is too funny. On May 21 2011 05:51 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Incog's nuke also doesn't do too much to his credit. Let me say this: Killing Chezinu, like KillerSOS or other lurkers, is easy. It was an easy kill, because town was expressing suspicion of him and a desire to kill him with my king lynch. As well, he hasn't contributed much if anything to town so far, and was mostly dead weight. So, killing him doesn't take much thought to do.
That said, I don't think I'll kill Incog right now. I'd rather leave him alive, and at the mercy of the lynch.
Actually, I think you should vig me right now so that you get more information that comes out of the scramble of all the invalid ##Vote Incognito votes. Its pretty clear that you will get no information from my lynch. Its easy for mafia to jump on either side of the wagon. If you vig me, people will actually be forced to give reasons on why they are voting for the other suspects. And Ironically you want to kill KillerSOS, who you say is a easy. Why go for the easy kill? Do the right thing and kill me instead and force people to give reasons for their votes on the other suspects. Vigging you and having you flip green doesn't solve anything. All at does is make your voters hop over to Node, or KillerSOS, without the need to provide any substantial reasoning. If I were to shoot into you/Node, it would be because one of you are likely to be red. If I don't shoot into you, I'd effectively be doing house cleaning, getting rid of non-contributing, scummy looking, lurkers like KillerSOS or ON.
There's already been a massive bandwagon on KillerSOS. People aren't focusing on that bandwagon too much because they are focused on lynching Incognito. Get rid of that, and suddenly they have to think about stuff. Voting Incognito is a no-brainer. Among all these "lurkers", there has to be a reason why you think one is more suspicious than the other.
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On May 21 2011 10:26 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 10:23 kitaman27 wrote:
*Pokes Wiggles
Shot within the hour? If Ver isn't around then we might have to wait longer than expected. Sure, I'm just trying to figure out who to shoot. :p
Wiggles I understand you're not sure who to shoot. However I'm starting to feel like you're stalling.
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Keep this in mind: People who are saying that the vote list takes precedence over everything else are basically tunnelling without actually having to be responsible for doing any analysis or having any other opinions. If the list is exterminated and only 1 flips red, they will just say "oops" and you will buy it. Please don't take the list as the word of god.
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United States22154 Posts
Wiggles, just shoot Node. Do it. Do it for me. For the town. For the cats in top hats. For everyone who we seek to protect from the ravages of the mafia. Do it because you have a 40% chance of getting it right. 
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On May 21 2011 10:30 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 10:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On May 21 2011 10:13 Incognito wrote:On May 21 2011 05:45 Foolishness wrote:On May 21 2011 05:24 Ace wrote:On May 21 2011 05:07 Radfield wrote:On May 21 2011 04:34 Ace wrote:
@GMarshal: If we don't lynch Incognito then who from the remaining players on the list is the second Scum? We have to clear that out first. Does ANYONE else on that list appear Scummier than Incognito? If so, vote for them. I'm not trying to be a dink here, but I don't fully understand why we need to clear the list out. I understand we need to eventually, but why right away, right now? We have the information, so it can wait for us to deal with it until we're ready. Our ultimate goal is to kill the mafia, so if targeting players on the list doesn't get that done the best, then we let it lie for now. No? No one really has a anti-town read on either Caller or flame, GMarshal seems town aligned, Incog seems town to a large portion, and Node doesn't seem particularly scummy. It seems to me that waiting a night cycle and putting some investigations on those remaining 5 is a prudent course of action. If mafia want to shoot players off the list, great. Better them than us. Also, GMarshall, it's a bit ironic that you mention no one is coming to Incogs defense, because actually quite a few players are. Myself, Barundar, yourself, tnkted, dreamflower and maybe a couple others. Mind you, in my mind those are almost mostly 'lock-solid townies'. We clear it out because we know 2 out of 6 are scum. Why would we go another direction when we already know where to look? That makes no sense. Secondly a "large portion" of town hasn't claimed Incog is innocent, especially looking at the voting thread so that point is false. If you don't have an anti-town read on Caller or flame, believe GMashal and Incog are town, and that Node doesn't seem Scummy then who does that leave? Odds are even better because it's 2/5. So far Chaoser is the only one that sheds doubt upon the validity of the 2/5 (more due to mafia intervention with a framer than he doubts GMarshal). With all the nice KP roles for the mafia I find it hard to believe they would pick framer. Especially since if they wanted to hide themselves they'd be picking the GF roles instead of framer. As what Ace said before, we need to clean up the list now because the odds are better than trying to hunt in the town pool. I don't see how you can make an argument against this, especially since it's only day 2 (it's not like we got 5 days of analysis to try to pin down mafia). Anyone who tries to vote elsewhere or make analysis on other people than the 5 (6) in the list need to be looked at carefully once the list is sorted through. All you're doing at the moment is distracting the town. If we just focus on the list we can hopefully nail the 2 mafia without suffering town casualties. These paragraphs and paragraphs of analysis against myself, chaoser, KillerSOS are just cluttering up the town at the moment, and the people making these are mafia in my head because they are just trying to get the town off focus from the list. If you think I'm mafia, or chaoser is mafia, or whoever is not on the list, great. I'm all for throwing analysis around. But geez just wait until the list is cleared up and stop cluttering the thread. Summarize your suspicion in one sentence and focus on someone on the list. And before you jump on me for not doing this, I have wanted to kill Incog since yesterday, same reasons as Ace has stated, and that hasn't changed. If there still is a mafia on the list after Incog and Chez are dead I want to kill Node. Mr. analysis and scumhunting is content to go with "the odds" and chill on the sidelines. This is too funny. On May 21 2011 05:51 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Incog's nuke also doesn't do too much to his credit. Let me say this: Killing Chezinu, like KillerSOS or other lurkers, is easy. It was an easy kill, because town was expressing suspicion of him and a desire to kill him with my king lynch. As well, he hasn't contributed much if anything to town so far, and was mostly dead weight. So, killing him doesn't take much thought to do.
That said, I don't think I'll kill Incog right now. I'd rather leave him alive, and at the mercy of the lynch.
Actually, I think you should vig me right now so that you get more information that comes out of the scramble of all the invalid ##Vote Incognito votes. Its pretty clear that you will get no information from my lynch. Its easy for mafia to jump on either side of the wagon. If you vig me, people will actually be forced to give reasons on why they are voting for the other suspects. And Ironically you want to kill KillerSOS, who you say is a easy. Why go for the easy kill? Do the right thing and kill me instead and force people to give reasons for their votes on the other suspects. Vigging you and having you flip green doesn't solve anything. All at does is make your voters hop over to Node, or KillerSOS, without the need to provide any substantial reasoning. If I were to shoot into you/Node, it would be because one of you are likely to be red. If I don't shoot into you, I'd effectively be doing house cleaning, getting rid of non-contributing, scummy looking, lurkers like KillerSOS or ON. There's already been a massive bandwagon on KillerSOS. People aren't focusing on that bandwagon too much because they are focused on lynching Incognito. Get rid of that, and suddenly they have to think about stuff. Voting Incognito is a no-brainer. Among all these "lurkers", there has to be a reason why you think one is more suspicious than the other.
Incog, in the most politiest way possible I am asking you to kindly shut up. Stop being such a damn martyr. At this point you're spamming and not being helpful.
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Hey guys (and Wiggles in particular), I can't help but feel that it might be a bad idea to kill someone you don't think is actually very scummy, which is what most people have said about me. Just a thought. I'd love to see more reasoning as to why I'm actually worth killing, aside from "information", which is a notoriously poor reason to kill people. Is it information you couldn't get from checking the Kav-voters at night?
Wiggles, if you do decide to shoot me, give me 5 minutes advance notice? I promise I'm not a politician.
GMarshal, why are you so sure that I'm scum?
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On May 21 2011 10:13 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 05:45 Foolishness wrote:On May 21 2011 05:24 Ace wrote:On May 21 2011 05:07 Radfield wrote:On May 21 2011 04:34 Ace wrote:
@GMarshal: If we don't lynch Incognito then who from the remaining players on the list is the second Scum? We have to clear that out first. Does ANYONE else on that list appear Scummier than Incognito? If so, vote for them. I'm not trying to be a dink here, but I don't fully understand why we need to clear the list out. I understand we need to eventually, but why right away, right now? We have the information, so it can wait for us to deal with it until we're ready. Our ultimate goal is to kill the mafia, so if targeting players on the list doesn't get that done the best, then we let it lie for now. No? No one really has a anti-town read on either Caller or flame, GMarshal seems town aligned, Incog seems town to a large portion, and Node doesn't seem particularly scummy. It seems to me that waiting a night cycle and putting some investigations on those remaining 5 is a prudent course of action. If mafia want to shoot players off the list, great. Better them than us. Also, GMarshall, it's a bit ironic that you mention no one is coming to Incogs defense, because actually quite a few players are. Myself, Barundar, yourself, tnkted, dreamflower and maybe a couple others. Mind you, in my mind those are almost mostly 'lock-solid townies'. We clear it out because we know 2 out of 6 are scum. Why would we go another direction when we already know where to look? That makes no sense. Secondly a "large portion" of town hasn't claimed Incog is innocent, especially looking at the voting thread so that point is false. If you don't have an anti-town read on Caller or flame, believe GMashal and Incog are town, and that Node doesn't seem Scummy then who does that leave? Odds are even better because it's 2/5. So far Chaoser is the only one that sheds doubt upon the validity of the 2/5 (more due to mafia intervention with a framer than he doubts GMarshal). With all the nice KP roles for the mafia I find it hard to believe they would pick framer. Especially since if they wanted to hide themselves they'd be picking the GF roles instead of framer. As what Ace said before, we need to clean up the list now because the odds are better than trying to hunt in the town pool. I don't see how you can make an argument against this, especially since it's only day 2 (it's not like we got 5 days of analysis to try to pin down mafia). Anyone who tries to vote elsewhere or make analysis on other people than the 5 (6) in the list need to be looked at carefully once the list is sorted through. All you're doing at the moment is distracting the town. If we just focus on the list we can hopefully nail the 2 mafia without suffering town casualties. These paragraphs and paragraphs of analysis against myself, chaoser, KillerSOS are just cluttering up the town at the moment, and the people making these are mafia in my head because they are just trying to get the town off focus from the list. If you think I'm mafia, or chaoser is mafia, or whoever is not on the list, great. I'm all for throwing analysis around. But geez just wait until the list is cleared up and stop cluttering the thread. Summarize your suspicion in one sentence and focus on someone on the list. And before you jump on me for not doing this, I have wanted to kill Incog since yesterday, same reasons as Ace has stated, and that hasn't changed. If there still is a mafia on the list after Incog and Chez are dead I want to kill Node. Mr. analysis and scumhunting is content to go with "the odds" and chill on the sidelines. This is too funny. Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 05:51 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Incog's nuke also doesn't do too much to his credit. Let me say this: Killing Chezinu, like KillerSOS or other lurkers, is easy. It was an easy kill, because town was expressing suspicion of him and a desire to kill him with my king lynch. As well, he hasn't contributed much if anything to town so far, and was mostly dead weight. So, killing him doesn't take much thought to do.
That said, I don't think I'll kill Incog right now. I'd rather leave him alive, and at the mercy of the lynch.
Actually, I think you should vig me right now so that you get more information that comes out of the scramble of all the invalid ##Vote Incognito votes. Its pretty clear that you will get no information from my lynch. Its easy for mafia to jump on either side of the wagon. If you vig me, people will actually be forced to give reasons on why they are voting for the other suspects. And Ironically you want to kill KillerSOS, who you say is a easy. Why go for the easy kill? Do the right thing and kill me instead and force people to give reasons for their votes on the other suspects.
Funny thing is, you're the only one who shares my point of view. I even mentioned if we decide to not have Mr. Wiggles use the King's lynch on you, it's better to use it sooner than later.
So far, people keep taking their own jabs at their own targets, and what do we get? Nothing so far, and we have like a little over 2 hours left. You were the only lynch target that was leading by majority, and still is. If people can't see through this simple logic, I'm just not going to bother much it and let things play out by itself.
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Shooting into the list is not 2/5. Its only 2/5 if Chezinu is town. If Chezinu is mafia, its 1/5, which is worse than randomly shooting into the entire player list. Considering that you're already lynching me, its ridiculous to be shooting Node too. Wake up and stop sheeping Ace/Foolishness/Caller.
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On May 21 2011 10:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 10:30 Incognito wrote:On May 21 2011 10:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On May 21 2011 10:13 Incognito wrote:On May 21 2011 05:45 Foolishness wrote:On May 21 2011 05:24 Ace wrote:On May 21 2011 05:07 Radfield wrote:On May 21 2011 04:34 Ace wrote:
@GMarshal: If we don't lynch Incognito then who from the remaining players on the list is the second Scum? We have to clear that out first. Does ANYONE else on that list appear Scummier than Incognito? If so, vote for them. I'm not trying to be a dink here, but I don't fully understand why we need to clear the list out. I understand we need to eventually, but why right away, right now? We have the information, so it can wait for us to deal with it until we're ready. Our ultimate goal is to kill the mafia, so if targeting players on the list doesn't get that done the best, then we let it lie for now. No? No one really has a anti-town read on either Caller or flame, GMarshal seems town aligned, Incog seems town to a large portion, and Node doesn't seem particularly scummy. It seems to me that waiting a night cycle and putting some investigations on those remaining 5 is a prudent course of action. If mafia want to shoot players off the list, great. Better them than us. Also, GMarshall, it's a bit ironic that you mention no one is coming to Incogs defense, because actually quite a few players are. Myself, Barundar, yourself, tnkted, dreamflower and maybe a couple others. Mind you, in my mind those are almost mostly 'lock-solid townies'. We clear it out because we know 2 out of 6 are scum. Why would we go another direction when we already know where to look? That makes no sense. Secondly a "large portion" of town hasn't claimed Incog is innocent, especially looking at the voting thread so that point is false. If you don't have an anti-town read on Caller or flame, believe GMashal and Incog are town, and that Node doesn't seem Scummy then who does that leave? Odds are even better because it's 2/5. So far Chaoser is the only one that sheds doubt upon the validity of the 2/5 (more due to mafia intervention with a framer than he doubts GMarshal). With all the nice KP roles for the mafia I find it hard to believe they would pick framer. Especially since if they wanted to hide themselves they'd be picking the GF roles instead of framer. As what Ace said before, we need to clean up the list now because the odds are better than trying to hunt in the town pool. I don't see how you can make an argument against this, especially since it's only day 2 (it's not like we got 5 days of analysis to try to pin down mafia). Anyone who tries to vote elsewhere or make analysis on other people than the 5 (6) in the list need to be looked at carefully once the list is sorted through. All you're doing at the moment is distracting the town. If we just focus on the list we can hopefully nail the 2 mafia without suffering town casualties. These paragraphs and paragraphs of analysis against myself, chaoser, KillerSOS are just cluttering up the town at the moment, and the people making these are mafia in my head because they are just trying to get the town off focus from the list. If you think I'm mafia, or chaoser is mafia, or whoever is not on the list, great. I'm all for throwing analysis around. But geez just wait until the list is cleared up and stop cluttering the thread. Summarize your suspicion in one sentence and focus on someone on the list. And before you jump on me for not doing this, I have wanted to kill Incog since yesterday, same reasons as Ace has stated, and that hasn't changed. If there still is a mafia on the list after Incog and Chez are dead I want to kill Node. Mr. analysis and scumhunting is content to go with "the odds" and chill on the sidelines. This is too funny. On May 21 2011 05:51 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Incog's nuke also doesn't do too much to his credit. Let me say this: Killing Chezinu, like KillerSOS or other lurkers, is easy. It was an easy kill, because town was expressing suspicion of him and a desire to kill him with my king lynch. As well, he hasn't contributed much if anything to town so far, and was mostly dead weight. So, killing him doesn't take much thought to do.
That said, I don't think I'll kill Incog right now. I'd rather leave him alive, and at the mercy of the lynch.
Actually, I think you should vig me right now so that you get more information that comes out of the scramble of all the invalid ##Vote Incognito votes. Its pretty clear that you will get no information from my lynch. Its easy for mafia to jump on either side of the wagon. If you vig me, people will actually be forced to give reasons on why they are voting for the other suspects. And Ironically you want to kill KillerSOS, who you say is a easy. Why go for the easy kill? Do the right thing and kill me instead and force people to give reasons for their votes on the other suspects. Vigging you and having you flip green doesn't solve anything. All at does is make your voters hop over to Node, or KillerSOS, without the need to provide any substantial reasoning. If I were to shoot into you/Node, it would be because one of you are likely to be red. If I don't shoot into you, I'd effectively be doing house cleaning, getting rid of non-contributing, scummy looking, lurkers like KillerSOS or ON. There's already been a massive bandwagon on KillerSOS. People aren't focusing on that bandwagon too much because they are focused on lynching Incognito. Get rid of that, and suddenly they have to think about stuff. Voting Incognito is a no-brainer. Among all these "lurkers", there has to be a reason why you think one is more suspicious than the other. Incog, in the most politiest way possible I am asking you to kindly shut up. Stop being such a damn martyr. At this point you're spamming and not being helpful.
This is not martyrdom. Think of it logically. Because Incognito is on the vote list, this allows people to make the policy vote, it allows people to get away with voting without contributing anything to the discussion. Town doesn't benefit from easy lynches. Town benefits from difficult lynches in which people are forced to take a position. When there is an easy position and a hard position, that just invites mafia to come and pile up on one side. When there is no clear lynch target, mafia are forced to justify.
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Ok, I'm seriously conflicted on who to vote for, Node or KillerSoS, assuming we have to vote one of those two (which makes sense, given that gm is gonna be doing a votecheck).
Apparently Killer claimed tracker. Thats a bad mafia role. Should Node claim? Personally I'm more leaning towards killer being scum, given his weak results claim, but I'm wondering if Node can do any better.
Node, don't claim yet, I want to see what other people think about this.
Also, I unvoted incognito, so take me off that list. I still have to choose who I want to kill tonight.
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On May 21 2011 10:37 Incognito wrote:
Shooting into the list is not 2/5. Its only 2/5 if Chezinu is town. If Chezinu is mafia, its 1/5, which is worse than randomly shooting into the entire player list. Considering that you're already lynching me, its ridiculous to be shooting Node too. Wake up and stop sheeping Ace/Foolishness/Caller.
Incog are you claiming mafia? If you are town you should be want more shots going into that group not less. Why is it foolish to shoot node even if we're lynching you? You should know you're town and want to hurt the mafia as much as possible.
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On May 21 2011 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 10:37 Incognito wrote:
Shooting into the list is not 2/5. Its only 2/5 if Chezinu is town. If Chezinu is mafia, its 1/5, which is worse than randomly shooting into the entire player list. Considering that you're already lynching me, its ridiculous to be shooting Node too. Wake up and stop sheeping Ace/Foolishness/Caller. Incog are you claiming mafia? If you are town you should be want more shots going into that group not less. Why is it foolish to shoot node even if we're lynching you? You should know you're town and want to hurt the mafia as much as possible.
False. I don't trust the list check. I think someone was framed.
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United States4053 Posts
On May 21 2011 10:42 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2011 10:37 Incognito wrote:
Shooting into the list is not 2/5. Its only 2/5 if Chezinu is town. If Chezinu is mafia, its 1/5, which is worse than randomly shooting into the entire player list. Considering that you're already lynching me, its ridiculous to be shooting Node too. Wake up and stop sheeping Ace/Foolishness/Caller. Incog are you claiming mafia? If you are town you should be want more shots going into that group not less. Why is it foolish to shoot node even if we're lynching you? You should know you're town and want to hurt the mafia as much as possible. False. I don't trust the list check. I think someone was framed.
isn't that a direct contradiction to saying "it's 2/5 if chezinu is town"
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On May 21 2011 10:39 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 10:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2011 10:30 Incognito wrote:On May 21 2011 10:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On May 21 2011 10:13 Incognito wrote:On May 21 2011 05:45 Foolishness wrote:On May 21 2011 05:24 Ace wrote:On May 21 2011 05:07 Radfield wrote:On May 21 2011 04:34 Ace wrote:
@GMarshal: If we don't lynch Incognito then who from the remaining players on the list is the second Scum? We have to clear that out first. Does ANYONE else on that list appear Scummier than Incognito? If so, vote for them. I'm not trying to be a dink here, but I don't fully understand why we need to clear the list out. I understand we need to eventually, but why right away, right now? We have the information, so it can wait for us to deal with it until we're ready. Our ultimate goal is to kill the mafia, so if targeting players on the list doesn't get that done the best, then we let it lie for now. No? No one really has a anti-town read on either Caller or flame, GMarshal seems town aligned, Incog seems town to a large portion, and Node doesn't seem particularly scummy. It seems to me that waiting a night cycle and putting some investigations on those remaining 5 is a prudent course of action. If mafia want to shoot players off the list, great. Better them than us. Also, GMarshall, it's a bit ironic that you mention no one is coming to Incogs defense, because actually quite a few players are. Myself, Barundar, yourself, tnkted, dreamflower and maybe a couple others. Mind you, in my mind those are almost mostly 'lock-solid townies'. We clear it out because we know 2 out of 6 are scum. Why would we go another direction when we already know where to look? That makes no sense. Secondly a "large portion" of town hasn't claimed Incog is innocent, especially looking at the voting thread so that point is false. If you don't have an anti-town read on Caller or flame, believe GMashal and Incog are town, and that Node doesn't seem Scummy then who does that leave? Odds are even better because it's 2/5. So far Chaoser is the only one that sheds doubt upon the validity of the 2/5 (more due to mafia intervention with a framer than he doubts GMarshal). With all the nice KP roles for the mafia I find it hard to believe they would pick framer. Especially since if they wanted to hide themselves they'd be picking the GF roles instead of framer. As what Ace said before, we need to clean up the list now because the odds are better than trying to hunt in the town pool. I don't see how you can make an argument against this, especially since it's only day 2 (it's not like we got 5 days of analysis to try to pin down mafia). Anyone who tries to vote elsewhere or make analysis on other people than the 5 (6) in the list need to be looked at carefully once the list is sorted through. All you're doing at the moment is distracting the town. If we just focus on the list we can hopefully nail the 2 mafia without suffering town casualties. These paragraphs and paragraphs of analysis against myself, chaoser, KillerSOS are just cluttering up the town at the moment, and the people making these are mafia in my head because they are just trying to get the town off focus from the list. If you think I'm mafia, or chaoser is mafia, or whoever is not on the list, great. I'm all for throwing analysis around. But geez just wait until the list is cleared up and stop cluttering the thread. Summarize your suspicion in one sentence and focus on someone on the list. And before you jump on me for not doing this, I have wanted to kill Incog since yesterday, same reasons as Ace has stated, and that hasn't changed. If there still is a mafia on the list after Incog and Chez are dead I want to kill Node. Mr. analysis and scumhunting is content to go with "the odds" and chill on the sidelines. This is too funny. On May 21 2011 05:51 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Incog's nuke also doesn't do too much to his credit. Let me say this: Killing Chezinu, like KillerSOS or other lurkers, is easy. It was an easy kill, because town was expressing suspicion of him and a desire to kill him with my king lynch. As well, he hasn't contributed much if anything to town so far, and was mostly dead weight. So, killing him doesn't take much thought to do.
That said, I don't think I'll kill Incog right now. I'd rather leave him alive, and at the mercy of the lynch.
Actually, I think you should vig me right now so that you get more information that comes out of the scramble of all the invalid ##Vote Incognito votes. Its pretty clear that you will get no information from my lynch. Its easy for mafia to jump on either side of the wagon. If you vig me, people will actually be forced to give reasons on why they are voting for the other suspects. And Ironically you want to kill KillerSOS, who you say is a easy. Why go for the easy kill? Do the right thing and kill me instead and force people to give reasons for their votes on the other suspects. Vigging you and having you flip green doesn't solve anything. All at does is make your voters hop over to Node, or KillerSOS, without the need to provide any substantial reasoning. If I were to shoot into you/Node, it would be because one of you are likely to be red. If I don't shoot into you, I'd effectively be doing house cleaning, getting rid of non-contributing, scummy looking, lurkers like KillerSOS or ON. There's already been a massive bandwagon on KillerSOS. People aren't focusing on that bandwagon too much because they are focused on lynching Incognito. Get rid of that, and suddenly they have to think about stuff. Voting Incognito is a no-brainer. Among all these "lurkers", there has to be a reason why you think one is more suspicious than the other. Incog, in the most politiest way possible I am asking you to kindly shut up. Stop being such a damn martyr. At this point you're spamming and not being helpful. This is not martyrdom. Think of it logically. Because Incognito is on the vote list, this allows people to make the policy vote, it allows people to get away with voting without contributing anything to the discussion. Town doesn't benefit from easy lynches. Town benefits from difficult lynches in which people are forced to take a position. When there is an easy position and a hard position, that just invites mafia to come and pile up on one side. When there is no clear lynch target, mafia are forced to justify.
I don't even know what this means. How is killing you a policy vote? How is killing you forcing people to justify their actions? How does killing you do anything except for telling us whether we've killed the mafia in the kavwagon or not? You should think about it logically, it doesn't give the town anything. Also one more thing. I'm not looking for an "easy" or "hard" lynch. I'm looking for a dead scum. I don't think you're scum (insane? yes scum? not yet) and from what I can hear a lot of the people in the thread share my view. I want to kill KillerSOS. Why? Because I think he's SCUM.
You're not mafia (This would be the stupidest play in the history of mafia if you were) so why should I kill you?
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On May 21 2011 10:42 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2011 10:37 Incognito wrote:
Shooting into the list is not 2/5. Its only 2/5 if Chezinu is town. If Chezinu is mafia, its 1/5, which is worse than randomly shooting into the entire player list. Considering that you're already lynching me, its ridiculous to be shooting Node too. Wake up and stop sheeping Ace/Foolishness/Caller. Incog are you claiming mafia? If you are town you should be want more shots going into that group not less. Why is it foolish to shoot node even if we're lynching you? You should know you're town and want to hurt the mafia as much as possible. False. I don't trust the list check. I think someone was framed.
Are you on meth? Man why should we kill you then? If you think someone was framed and you think Chez is mafia then why should we kill you? If someone was framed then that means there is only one mafia in that group. You think Chez is mafia QED you aren't mafia why should we kill you?
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Ok I'm absolutely done talking about Incog for now. Mr. Wiggles where are you?
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On May 21 2011 10:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm looking for a dead scum.
You're not mafia (This would be the stupidest play in the history of mafia if you were) so why should I kill you?
This. Times a thousand. When you shoot into my list you do so to kill scum, not to clear town, not to summon genies, you do it to kill scum.
I think I need to hammer this into peoples heads. This is not about who writes the fanciest analysis or who has the sanest plan for a town victory, this is about killing scum, plain and simple.
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