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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On May 21 2011 09:33 KillerSOS wrote:
Managed to get through the last 2 pages on my horrible phone internet... If you want to lynch me it's a waste, but feel free.
I'm PYP Tracker
Great, I'm willing to call off this hit. No mafia player would take Tracker. It's a terrible role for them in a game with a plethora of roles for them to take that are helpful to both mafia and town.
We have rolecheckers, a simple rolecheck confirms this.
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On May 21 2011 09:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 09:33 KillerSOS wrote:
Managed to get through the last 2 pages on my horrible phone internet... If you want to lynch me it's a waste, but feel free.
I'm PYP Tracker
Results of your action last night?
Ace visited Radfield.
Ace said so himself though.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
This KillerSOS train already felt crappy anyways.
Lets either focus on Incog/Node or preferably focus on chaoser/Originalname.
No one has built an official case thus far against chaoser, but he's had a lot of defense, so I'm going to start.
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On May 21 2011 09:43 Radfield wrote:
This KillerSOS train already felt crappy anyways.
Lets either focus on Incog/Node or preferably focus on chaoser/Originalname.
No one has built an official case thus far against chaoser, but he's had a lot of defense, so I'm going to start.
It was a decent call, I've just been unable to post.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On May 21 2011 09:41 KillerSOS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 09:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2011 09:33 KillerSOS wrote:
Managed to get through the last 2 pages on my horrible phone internet... If you want to lynch me it's a waste, but feel free.
I'm PYP Tracker
Results of your action last night? Ace visited Radfield. Ace said so himself though.
Whoa, that sounds like BS though......
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I think I take back my crappy train comment.
Sorry KillerSOS, bad luck for you if you actually followed ace, but that's a totally unacceptable answer. I think maybe one of the only unacceptable answers you could have had....
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On May 21 2011 09:43 Radfield wrote:
This KillerSOS train already felt crappy anyways.
Lets either focus on Incog/Node or preferably focus on chaoser/Originalname.
No one has built an official case thus far against chaoser, but he's had a lot of defense, so I'm going to start.
I'm cool with that and I'll unvote KillerSOS and vote node instead. However look at Killer's claim, it's probably the weakest thing I've ever seen, also look at the result of his action, it's a really easy one for mafia to fake. I wouldn't consider him cleared at all but I'll focus on Node/Incog for the sake of keeping things focused in one place.
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United States4053 Posts
On May 21 2011 09:44 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 09:41 KillerSOS wrote:On May 21 2011 09:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2011 09:33 KillerSOS wrote:
Managed to get through the last 2 pages on my horrible phone internet... If you want to lynch me it's a waste, but feel free.
I'm PYP Tracker
Results of your action last night? Ace visited Radfield. Ace said so himself though. Whoa, that sounds like BS though......
PYP Tracker gives very concrete and unique information. I'm pretty sure we can work out a plan to confirm this role quickly.
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United States4053 Posts
EBWOP: confirm or anti-confirm (what's the word for that? i dont even know)
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Ok yeah you saw it too Radfield. We need to do my plan -_- we can potentially net three scum if everything goes well.
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On second thought I'm not switching votes and I don't buy Killer's claim at all. Radfield I'd switch your vote to killer if you think incog is town. Node isn't going to die by standard lynch, theres not enough time left.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Does it even matter if killer is the tracker or not?
Roles != Alignment
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On May 21 2011 09:55 kitaman27 wrote:
Does it even matter if killer is the tracker or not?
Roles != Alignment
They kinda do. It's not a hard rule, but I bet at the end of this game over 90% of the people have roles which go with their alignment. But I agree in principle, any role or roleclaim is only an addition to info we already have, it's nothing concrete.
On May 21 2011 09:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On second thought I'm not switching votes and I don't buy Killer's claim at all. Radfield I'd switch your vote to killer if you think incog is town. Node isn't going to die by standard lynch, theres not enough time left.
That assumes Killer doesn't get Wiggled first. Anyways, I'm down.
Vote to kinglynch Node
##Vote KillerSOS
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Unfortunate that I followed Ace.
All I get told is who the player visited, unless they are vanilla mafia then I know they shot someone.
Checked Ace since he was near the bottom and had a high probability of being vanilla.
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Back, and all caught up.
Incog has me scratching my head. Reading most of his posts, I feel confident he's speaking from a town point of view. But then he picked america and nuked pretty much completely out of the blue without any sort of discussion. I'm going to go with my gut on this one and say he's town, but everyone should still keep eyes on him.
I honestly have no clue where the node votes are coming from. Maybe that's because I read through the thread too fast, but even looking back at his posts individually I don't see anything out of place. Could people voting for node give like a two sentence explanation of why he's scum because I really can't come up with anything on my end.
A killer lynch, I can get behind. There seems to be zero thought behind his posts so... yeah. It'd be pretty easy to hide a red behind those posts. Off with his head.
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United States4053 Posts
On May 21 2011 10:06 KillerSOS wrote:
Checked Ace since he was near the bottom and had a high probability of being vanilla.
did you completely miss the several times Ace said he had a gun
+ tracking a vanilla town does nothing, and we didn't exactly try to deny mafia, so it's likely that any low mafia also have roles.
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Actually of course incog didn't claim america, then he'd just get politician'd. We do need to figure out how to keep him from getting controlled in the future, though :/
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On May 21 2011 05:45 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 05:24 Ace wrote:On May 21 2011 05:07 Radfield wrote:On May 21 2011 04:34 Ace wrote:
@GMarshal: If we don't lynch Incognito then who from the remaining players on the list is the second Scum? We have to clear that out first. Does ANYONE else on that list appear Scummier than Incognito? If so, vote for them. I'm not trying to be a dink here, but I don't fully understand why we need to clear the list out. I understand we need to eventually, but why right away, right now? We have the information, so it can wait for us to deal with it until we're ready. Our ultimate goal is to kill the mafia, so if targeting players on the list doesn't get that done the best, then we let it lie for now. No? No one really has a anti-town read on either Caller or flame, GMarshal seems town aligned, Incog seems town to a large portion, and Node doesn't seem particularly scummy. It seems to me that waiting a night cycle and putting some investigations on those remaining 5 is a prudent course of action. If mafia want to shoot players off the list, great. Better them than us. Also, GMarshall, it's a bit ironic that you mention no one is coming to Incogs defense, because actually quite a few players are. Myself, Barundar, yourself, tnkted, dreamflower and maybe a couple others. Mind you, in my mind those are almost mostly 'lock-solid townies'. We clear it out because we know 2 out of 6 are scum. Why would we go another direction when we already know where to look? That makes no sense. Secondly a "large portion" of town hasn't claimed Incog is innocent, especially looking at the voting thread so that point is false. If you don't have an anti-town read on Caller or flame, believe GMashal and Incog are town, and that Node doesn't seem Scummy then who does that leave? Odds are even better because it's 2/5. So far Chaoser is the only one that sheds doubt upon the validity of the 2/5 (more due to mafia intervention with a framer than he doubts GMarshal). With all the nice KP roles for the mafia I find it hard to believe they would pick framer. Especially since if they wanted to hide themselves they'd be picking the GF roles instead of framer. As what Ace said before, we need to clean up the list now because the odds are better than trying to hunt in the town pool. I don't see how you can make an argument against this, especially since it's only day 2 (it's not like we got 5 days of analysis to try to pin down mafia). Anyone who tries to vote elsewhere or make analysis on other people than the 5 (6) in the list need to be looked at carefully once the list is sorted through. All you're doing at the moment is distracting the town. If we just focus on the list we can hopefully nail the 2 mafia without suffering town casualties. These paragraphs and paragraphs of analysis against myself, chaoser, KillerSOS are just cluttering up the town at the moment, and the people making these are mafia in my head because they are just trying to get the town off focus from the list. If you think I'm mafia, or chaoser is mafia, or whoever is not on the list, great. I'm all for throwing analysis around. But geez just wait until the list is cleared up and stop cluttering the thread. Summarize your suspicion in one sentence and focus on someone on the list. And before you jump on me for not doing this, I have wanted to kill Incog since yesterday, same reasons as Ace has stated, and that hasn't changed. If there still is a mafia on the list after Incog and Chez are dead I want to kill Node.
Mr. analysis and scumhunting is content to go with "the odds" and chill on the sidelines. This is too funny.
On May 21 2011 05:51 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Incog's nuke also doesn't do too much to his credit. Let me say this: Killing Chezinu, like KillerSOS or other lurkers, is easy. It was an easy kill, because town was expressing suspicion of him and a desire to kill him with my king lynch. As well, he hasn't contributed much if anything to town so far, and was mostly dead weight. So, killing him doesn't take much thought to do.
That said, I don't think I'll kill Incog right now. I'd rather leave him alive, and at the mercy of the lynch.
Actually, I think you should vig me right now so that you get more information that comes out of the scramble of all the invalid ##Vote Incognito votes. Its pretty clear that you will get no information from my lynch. Its easy for mafia to jump on either side of the wagon. If you vig me, people will actually be forced to give reasons on why they are voting for the other suspects. And Ironically you want to kill KillerSOS, who you say is a easy. Why go for the easy kill? Do the right thing and kill me instead and force people to give reasons for their votes on the other suspects.
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United States22154 Posts
On May 21 2011 10:08 Eiii wrote:
I honestly have no clue where the node votes are coming from. Maybe that's because I read through the thread too fast, but even looking back at his posts individually I don't see anything out of place. Could people voting for node give like a two sentence explanation of why he's scum because I really can't come up with anything on my end..
1.) Strange focus on what combinations mafia might use to break the town
2.) Lack of contribution, he has two major things across four posts, shooting down my denial plan and "analyzing" foolishness and reaching the conclusion that he is lurking
3.) No attempt to defend himself, or make his analysis stick
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On May 21 2011 10:13 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 05:45 Foolishness wrote:On May 21 2011 05:24 Ace wrote:On May 21 2011 05:07 Radfield wrote:On May 21 2011 04:34 Ace wrote:
@GMarshal: If we don't lynch Incognito then who from the remaining players on the list is the second Scum? We have to clear that out first. Does ANYONE else on that list appear Scummier than Incognito? If so, vote for them. I'm not trying to be a dink here, but I don't fully understand why we need to clear the list out. I understand we need to eventually, but why right away, right now? We have the information, so it can wait for us to deal with it until we're ready. Our ultimate goal is to kill the mafia, so if targeting players on the list doesn't get that done the best, then we let it lie for now. No? No one really has a anti-town read on either Caller or flame, GMarshal seems town aligned, Incog seems town to a large portion, and Node doesn't seem particularly scummy. It seems to me that waiting a night cycle and putting some investigations on those remaining 5 is a prudent course of action. If mafia want to shoot players off the list, great. Better them than us. Also, GMarshall, it's a bit ironic that you mention no one is coming to Incogs defense, because actually quite a few players are. Myself, Barundar, yourself, tnkted, dreamflower and maybe a couple others. Mind you, in my mind those are almost mostly 'lock-solid townies'. We clear it out because we know 2 out of 6 are scum. Why would we go another direction when we already know where to look? That makes no sense. Secondly a "large portion" of town hasn't claimed Incog is innocent, especially looking at the voting thread so that point is false. If you don't have an anti-town read on Caller or flame, believe GMashal and Incog are town, and that Node doesn't seem Scummy then who does that leave? Odds are even better because it's 2/5. So far Chaoser is the only one that sheds doubt upon the validity of the 2/5 (more due to mafia intervention with a framer than he doubts GMarshal). With all the nice KP roles for the mafia I find it hard to believe they would pick framer. Especially since if they wanted to hide themselves they'd be picking the GF roles instead of framer. As what Ace said before, we need to clean up the list now because the odds are better than trying to hunt in the town pool. I don't see how you can make an argument against this, especially since it's only day 2 (it's not like we got 5 days of analysis to try to pin down mafia). Anyone who tries to vote elsewhere or make analysis on other people than the 5 (6) in the list need to be looked at carefully once the list is sorted through. All you're doing at the moment is distracting the town. If we just focus on the list we can hopefully nail the 2 mafia without suffering town casualties. These paragraphs and paragraphs of analysis against myself, chaoser, KillerSOS are just cluttering up the town at the moment, and the people making these are mafia in my head because they are just trying to get the town off focus from the list. If you think I'm mafia, or chaoser is mafia, or whoever is not on the list, great. I'm all for throwing analysis around. But geez just wait until the list is cleared up and stop cluttering the thread. Summarize your suspicion in one sentence and focus on someone on the list. And before you jump on me for not doing this, I have wanted to kill Incog since yesterday, same reasons as Ace has stated, and that hasn't changed. If there still is a mafia on the list after Incog and Chez are dead I want to kill Node. Mr. analysis and scumhunting is content to go with "the odds" and chill on the sidelines. This is too funny. Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 05:51 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Incog's nuke also doesn't do too much to his credit. Let me say this: Killing Chezinu, like KillerSOS or other lurkers, is easy. It was an easy kill, because town was expressing suspicion of him and a desire to kill him with my king lynch. As well, he hasn't contributed much if anything to town so far, and was mostly dead weight. So, killing him doesn't take much thought to do.
That said, I don't think I'll kill Incog right now. I'd rather leave him alive, and at the mercy of the lynch.
Actually, I think you should vig me right now so that you get more information that comes out of the scramble of all the invalid ##Vote Incognito votes. Its pretty clear that you will get no information from my lynch. Its easy for mafia to jump on either side of the wagon. If you vig me, people will actually be forced to give reasons on why they are voting for the other suspects. And Ironically you want to kill KillerSOS, who you say is a easy. Why go for the easy kill? Do the right thing and kill me instead and force people to give reasons for their votes on the other suspects.
Vigging you and having you flip green doesn't solve anything. All at does is make your voters hop over to Node, or KillerSOS, without the need to provide any substantial reasoning. If I were to shoot into you/Node, it would be because one of you are likely to be red. If I don't shoot into you, I'd effectively be doing house cleaning, getting rid of non-contributing, scummy looking, lurkers like KillerSOS or ON.
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