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I didn't ask about Incognito, I asked about the 2/5 people we know are mafia. I don't really care what you think of Incognito at the moment, but doesn't mean you can't say anything about the other 4 people on that list. I'm not going to need to start busting out percentage numbers to show you that we have a better chance of hitting mafia in that list than the rest of players am I?
Why you want to ignore the information that's right in front of us? Yeah I'll admit I'm really bored this game but bypassing obvious facts because you think I'm mafia is either a desperate attempt of you to save your mafia buddies or you just haven't read the thread (the other option is you're stupid, but we both know that ain't true). It's also convenient because you're the third (maybe fourth) person to put suspicion on me. So maybe you figure "well shit half my mafia team might be dead by end of day...a few people seem to think Foolishness is mafia maybe I can distract the town and try to get him lynched".
Caller, Incognito, Chezinu, Node, flamewheel. 2/5 are mafia.
Surely you have some sort of idea of who they are yes? Obviously my thoughts are out in the open already. In fact you've been awfully quiet about this issue, instead saying things like, "GMarshal's claim isn't 100% reliable" (even though GMarshsal's attitude day 1 totally indicated he was a DT of some sort) and saying today's lynch boils down to Ace vs Incognito (which is lol?).
Fine, want to hold your thoughts about that because you're not sure? How about that both Radfield and Incognito went against the "town consensus" (I put that in quotes for lack of better term) and did not pick the roles they were supposed to. I remember multiple people saying yesterday that if anyone was found with one of these roles we should kill them asap (especially something like America). Moreover there is a kingmaker this game. I find it reasonable that mafia has the journalist and/or politician in their hands. What if 4 mafia members grabbed: politician, journalist, kingmaker, America? Great combo if you ask me; town has no idea whether their day kills are going to be altered or not. Mafia sit back and laugh.
Need I also remind you Radfield is the one that made Scamp claim he was inventor in the thread. That's a pro-town thing to do right?
We need to find and kill the 2 mafia in that list. Hopefully Chez actually dies to speed up the process, although I wouldn't be surprised if a random person died instead. After those 2 mafia are dead I'm gunning for Radfield until he provides a better explanation of why he hasn't been playing with the town's interest. But if you want to overlook all this information to try to get me lynched I'm just going to laugh. Once the 2 mafia in the list are dead I will gladly encourage you to repost your accusations against me (and I will gladly respond), but for now you're just distracting the town, which is exactly what the mafia want.
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Achtung, General! Our scouts have received a report that America has launched a nuclear missile at the country of Chezinu. This missile cannot be stopped and will detonate right after the lynch!
Also, Dreamflower has asked to be replaced. I will let you know when I find a replacement (contacting brownbear first because viscera is in a game concurrently, then moving down). 24 Hours til Lynch ends.
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Well Radfield I sort of have an inkling of what happened just from reading the exchange between him and Ace. So I can understand why he went against "town consense" if he did what I think he did. The jury is still out on incognito and yes the vote list is all nice and well but like I've previously stated, I don't trust that list. Not because I think GM is lying about being DT or anything but rather that mafia have many ways of manipulating the list. I've continued to say that there are multiple ways mafia can mess with town in terms of framing and covering and whatnot. What's to say they didn't do that for the Kav List? I can't say for sure about that. I have a null read on chenizu and flamewheel claims he got hit so that's too WIFOM-y for me. Node and Caller, I haven't read all their posts so yes, in that regard I haven't "read the thread". I do however find it strange and noticed that you haven't been playing the way you generally play. You advocate certain ideas (scum hunting, not focusing on roles, etc.) and then you don't actually do it yourself.
Once the 2 mafia in the list are dead I will gladly encourage you to repost your accusations against me (and I will gladly respond), but for now you're just distracting the town, which is exactly what the mafia want.
If the list is reliable then I can agree to this. Right now I don't think it's reliable enough for me to trust it yet. I'm still going to pressure you to post like you did in XXXVII and if you don't I'll push for your lynch.
Damn...i have a few more thoughts but i went to brush my teeth. I'll post again when I remember them.
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United States4053 Posts
On May 20 2011 02:28 Incognito wrote:See? Something turned up. Given how the last few pages turned out I'm pretty confident the recent posters are town. I wouldve expected maybe 1 player on the Kavdragon lynch to actually be mafia, but I guess there's two. At this point, my guess is on Chezinu and Caller. Feel free to lynch me. But I seriously doubt you'll be able to, once I do the exact opposite of what the mafia would want to do. ##Nuke ChezinuEveryone should agree that getting rid of Chezinu is a pro-town move. Especially now that there is a vote check on the Kavdragon lynch. Now seriously, what mafia would shoot into a vote list that has 2/6 red on it? Unless of course I am conspiring with GMarshal to screw over the town, this doesn't make any sense. But then again, conspiring with GMarshal doesn't make too much sense either if I'm announcing that option. Furthermore, it makes no sense for mafia to take America. Especially after Radfield proclaimed it an anti-town role. But if you think about it, its the most transparent role in the game. There's no way for me to hide from a misuse of the role, and its not like I can use it to kill blatant townspeople without significant backlash. Frankly put, America is a ridiculous option for mafia. There are way better KP roles for them to use. So feel free to pile your votes on me now. Nobody else type the nuke command. When Ver confirms that a nuke has been launched, you can all take your votes off me, ok? I'll be back later with some more thoughts. + Show Spoiler +Funny thing I saw a couple days ago in the news: "IMF chief's arrest stirs up anti-Americanism in France" Seems fitting, huh Radfield? 
I don't believe in changing the accepted "alignment" of the America role as soon as you've got it. If you really believed this as a town member, you should and would have posted it back when we did picks, when America was generally accepted as a banned role. Methinks this is a hastily concocted argument designed to make this action look as pro-town as possible, especially in lieu of any discussion on who to target with your nuke.
Please, guys, stay off Foolishness a little bit. The two accusations on him are: 1) he's acting different from normal and 2) he's posting with very little content.
1) This could be valid, I don't know. Please remember that relying too much on this got Kavdragon mislynched.
2) isn't even particularly well-directed. There are a lot more under-the-radar posters (dreamflower, Eiii, KillerSOS especially), as others have said.
If anyone wants to do an analysis that isn't 90% meta, be my guest - Foolishness isn't on my radar.
On May 20 2011 00:13 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 23:07 KillerSOS wrote:
Is it not a safe bet to ride the "Lynch the Incog" train? He was already a high profile target Day 1 and really hasn't done anything to improve his image.
Who cares about "safety"? I thought we were here to lynch scum, which is by definition not "safe". Your wording jumps out at me, in a negative way. Do you mean that you think incog is more likely to be mafia? Right now I'm leaning Node as one of the mafia, his lurking behavior is extremely suspicious to me. Id *really* like it if we could have wiggles lynch Chezinu as analysis isn't going to get us anywhere with the "content" of his posts, and frankly I'd rather not have to worry about him being the bomberman and accidentally saying his codeword.
Agreed. Looking for the safest route isn't really a pro-town attitude. I'd say I'm reading too deeply into this if not for KillerSOS's past actions (including the mostly unexplained vote on Barundar, iirc)
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I think IS is the only one that understands what I've been trying to say. This is just TOO convenient.
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martyr save me!
Teleport your country in front of mine! jump on the nuke and stear it like a cowboy into the ocean! Do something!
what to do..what to do!!
I wish I had some information to share with you town. All I can say is that I really think Flamewheel is innocent and incog should die for his actions. Oh and I bet dreamflower has bombs on people, just saying.. I'm not the bomberman.. if any secondary explosions go off, it is not my fault!
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On May 20 2011 06:47 Radfield wrote:
Speaking of Ace, why the hell are you softballing suspicion on me over my role? If you know my role, you know EXACTLY why I didn't follow my own plan. Fishball, assuming you rolechecked me(which you are insinuating) can you back me up that a) you know exactly why I did what I did, and b) there is no reason to be suspicious of me not taking VR. If you keep this up Ace, I'm probably gonna have to make an all-caps angry role claim....
Ace role checked you, not me. I was able to take a solid guess at your role based on what I see on the table, and have decided not to talk about it at this point.
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On May 20 2011 13:33 Ace wrote:
I think IS is the only one that understands what I've been trying to say. This is just TOO convenient.
Another easy conveinience is Incogs nuke on Chezinu. He gets a suspect in a group of suspects then shoots him to mske him look pro-town despite some very convincing evidence against himself. In all honesty we are likely being distracted at the moment and should be lynching him regardless,
However we could also no-lynch and just have wiggles kill incog.
Im not quite sure who it was that said bussing is an ineffective stratagy, but i couldnt agree less however bussing is generally much better when your trying to avoid being detected in the first place. Bussing Chezinu to save Incog really isn't worth it however if it had been the other way around who knows.
Tldr: Lyncg Incog with kingmaker lynch, hes trying to save his own ass.
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Dear lover,
If I from a nuclear explosion today and a martyr doesn't show up, I will not be able to provide you with the food supplies that you need to live. So, do you think we should tell everyone who you are?
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United States4053 Posts
I don't see any way to stop the America nuke, so there's no point keeping anything at all hidden. If you're town, and you didn't get a role, you should tell us what you went for; if you did get a role, please claim.
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United States4053 Posts
On May 20 2011 13:50 infinitestory wrote:
I don't see any way to stop the America nuke, so there's no point keeping anything at all hidden. If you're town, and you didn't get a role, you should tell us what you went for; if you did get a role, please claim.
And as for Martyr, I think it only stops lynches, and the nuke doesn't seem to qualify as a lynch. If you play LoL, it's like how you can't cleanse a suppress.
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United States4053 Posts
On May 20 2011 13:48 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 13:33 Ace wrote:
I think IS is the only one that understands what I've been trying to say. This is just TOO convenient. Another easy conveinience is Incogs nuke on Chezinu. He gets a suspect in a group of suspects then shoots him to mske him look pro-town despite some very convincing evidence against himself. In all honesty we are likely being distracted at the moment and should be lynching him regardless, However we could also no-lynch and just have wiggles kill incog. Im not quite sure who it was that said bussing is an ineffective stratagy, but i couldnt agree less however bussing is generally much better when your trying to avoid being detected in the first place. Bussing Chezinu to save Incog really isn't worth it however if it had been the other way around who knows. Tldr: Lyncg Incog with kingmaker lynch, hes trying to save his own ass.
On May 20 2011 03:39 Incognito wrote:
Just think about it for a second. Its pretty obvious that even if Chezinu flips mafia, people will still be skeptical. Like has been said many times, bussing isn't really that effective for mafia. If Chezinu was mafia, why would I bus him?
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On May 20 2011 13:50 infinitestory wrote:
I don't see any way to stop the America nuke, so there's no point keeping anything at all hidden. If you're town, and you didn't get a role, you should tell us what you went for; if you did get a role, please claim.
America might be able to stop the nuke himself, but that wouldn't make sense if the Politician has bought his vote, because that would just void the Politician's power every time. Unless it was made that America can only stop the nuke if the target was his call, and not the Politician's. This would be a question for Ver to clarify. But in reality, it really doesn't matter, as Incognito would have to choose to stop nuke from hitting Chezinu, which I don't really see happening for many reasons. Whether or not America has the ability to stop the nuke, Chezinu is likely to die.
So the maximum kills we can get during this day cycle is three.
- Mr. Wiggles uses the King's lynch on Incognito. Incognito dies immediately.
- Incognito's nuke lands on Chezinu at the end of day.
- Town lynches one more at the end of day.
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So, for my king vote. I'd like it if everyone posted who they'd like me to kill in the thread clearly. This way, we can get a town consensus, and beyond that, we can see where everyone stands when offered a realistic chance at a day-kill.
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I ##Kingvote KillerSOS, on the account of lurking while clearly reading the thread enough to make decisions, making a quiet vote on Barundar, and generally giving off the vibe that he's hiding a lot of thought.
Of course not the scummiest in my eyes, but pretty suspicious.
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On May 20 2011 14:12 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 13:50 infinitestory wrote:
I don't see any way to stop the America nuke, so there's no point keeping anything at all hidden. If you're town, and you didn't get a role, you should tell us what you went for; if you did get a role, please claim. America might be able to stop the nuke himself, but that wouldn't make sense if the Politician has bought his vote, because that would just void the Politician's power every time. Unless it was made that America can only stop the nuke if the target was his call, and not the Politician's. This would be a question for Ver to clarify.
Nukes cannot be stopped. Nor can they be blocked..
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On May 20 2011 14:12 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 13:50 infinitestory wrote:
I don't see any way to stop the America nuke, so there's no point keeping anything at all hidden. If you're town, and you didn't get a role, you should tell us what you went for; if you did get a role, please claim. America might be able to stop the nuke himself, but that wouldn't make sense if the Politician has bought his vote, because that would just void the Politician's power every time. Unless it was made that America can only stop the nuke if the target was his call, and not the Politician's. This would be a question for Ver to clarify. But in reality, it really doesn't matter, as Incognito would have to choose to stop nuke from hitting Chezinu, which I don't really see happening for many reasons. Whether or not America has the ability to stop the nuke, Chezinu is likely to die. So the maximum kills we can get during this day cycle is three. - Mr. Wiggles uses the King's lynch on Incognito. Incognito dies immediately. - Incognito's nuke lands on Chezinu at the end of day. - Town lynches one more at the end of day.
Just some follow up.
If what GMarshal says is true, and his list is not influenced by any other factors (Framer/Godfathers etc,), and also assuming he, himself, is not one of the Mafia on the list, we have two Mafia among the following five.
- Caller
- Incognito
- Chezinu
- Node
- flamewheel
If we do go with the route with maximum day kills, and the worst case scenario happens, as in both Chezinu/Incognito flipped Town, that leaves us with.
- Caller
- Node
- flamewheel
Now lets also assume that we used our Town lynch on a target outside of the check list (will elaborate later in this post), we will be on Night 2, and we have two Mafia among a list of three. At this point, we should have people use their investigative powers on the players remaining on the list instead of flat out killing them, based on the fact that we already missed twice from a list of five, and I'd rather not take anymore chances from the possibility that the list might be bad. If we don't find anything, we'll know this is a setup.
Everything mentioned above only applies if neither Chezinu or Incognito flips red.
Although I haven't cast my vote yet, from what I see in the voting thread right now, unless something dramatically comes up, the general consensus is that Incognito will be lynched. If this is the case, I rather have Mr. Wiggles use the King's lynch on Incognito right now. If he flips red, great; If he flips green, at least that will still give us 20 somewhat hours to discuss who we should be lynching next.
Now back to why I think we should be using our Town lynch on someone else outside of the list. If Incognito flips red, it wouldn't be the best course of action to use another kill on the list, since Chezinu's death is inevitable and have yet to flip. I'd rather have us start exploring elsewhere. If Incognito flips green, the same logic applies, along with the situation we will be in mentioned up top; Chezinu has yet to flip, and we don't want to dig too deep base on the off-chance that the list might be bad, whether it's fake or is a setup by other factors.
I also prefer Mr. Wiggles to use the King's lynch sooner than later, no matter who we decide to lynch. The sooner we're able to test the waters whether if a Politician exist in the game or not, the better. Yes, the Politician could choose to not use his power if he deems it is unnecessary or wants to lay low, but it's a still good indicator for Town, and it at least gives us a bit more time to prepare and discuss until the end of Day if a Politician do exist and used his power.
So in short, if the general consensus is to lynch Incognito, Mr. Wiggles should be the one pulling the trigger. It's either having the results now or results later, and it can only benefit us if we act now.
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In my opinion use the kingmaker lynch and the nuke on the same person. If not, if one of the targets is mafia, and the other isn't, we risk that the one on mafia is redirected by politician on to a townie. If we mislynch on top of that, we have killed 3 townies in one day while mafia only killed 1 townie at night.
Ver can the Kingmaker lynch and/or America nuke be redirected by Politician after they have been set off?
I'm leaning town on Caller and Fishball, so it's between Node and Incognito for me regarding the second mafia, and I think Node has been the scummiest poster of the 2.
##Vote Node
Chaosers sudden vote on Foolishness seems strange, so does chaosers suspect list. Why would he suspect dreamflower if he hasn't even read her posts? It doesn't really give me confidence he is actually looking for mafia.
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