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I've just skimmed through the thread (i'm moving today!) so i dont have time for a big long post explaining this, but if inventions can be misused, whoever has those glasses could theoretically misuse them by starting a fire during the day to kill somebody/burn their house down.
If that person were to type something like #burn incognito we could get a fourth kill today (counting wiggles and incog's just revealed nuke power).
This is assuming of course that inventions could be misused like this. Either way, if rose colored glasses always return red (which seems likely given the name) they have lenses, and those lenses could focus the sun....
also, didn't incog put america on a no-pick list? wtf? Just an idea.
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It is war now!
##Nuke Incognito
PS: I'm not the bomberman..
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Well at least politician can't buy the nuke and the king's lynch...
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On May 20 2011 02:33 tnkted wrote: I've just skimmed through the thread (i'm moving today!) so i dont have time for a big long post explaining this, but if inventions can be misused, whoever has those glasses could theoretically misuse them by starting a fire during the day to kill somebody/burn their house down.
If that person were to type something like #burn incognito we could get a fourth kill today (counting wiggles and incog's just revealed nuke power).
This is assuming of course that inventions could be misused like this. Either way, if rose colored glasses always return red (which seems likely given the name) they have lenses, and those lenses could focus the sun....
also, didn't incog put america on a no-pick list? wtf? Just an idea.
Are you high? Inventions do what their description states nothing else, otherwise who knows what shenanigans people could up to with inventions. Unless you know something about the glasses we don't. Either way we have bigger fish to fry than that.
Anyway if incog is America as he claims I can't see him being mafia, it seems like it would be the crappiest role for the scum team to pick, ever, mafia don't like powers that require for them to post in thread. Of course maybe he is just a *really* ballsy mafia. Either way I reserve judgment until we see if the nuke goes off.
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That came off a little more harsh than I expected, sorry tnkted. What I meant to say is that I don't think inventions offer that kind of flexibility.
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On May 20 2011 02:39 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 02:33 tnkted wrote: I've just skimmed through the thread (i'm moving today!) so i dont have time for a big long post explaining this, but if inventions can be misused, whoever has those glasses could theoretically misuse them by starting a fire during the day to kill somebody/burn their house down.
If that person were to type something like #burn incognito we could get a fourth kill today (counting wiggles and incog's just revealed nuke power).
This is assuming of course that inventions could be misused like this. Either way, if rose colored glasses always return red (which seems likely given the name) they have lenses, and those lenses could focus the sun....
also, didn't incog put america on a no-pick list? wtf? Just an idea. Are you high? Inventions do what their description states nothing else, otherwise who knows what shenanigans people could up to with inventions. Unless you know something about the glasses we don't. no, I was just going from this:
On May 16 2011 03:35 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 03:26 infinitestory wrote: I think we can easily get more pro-town inventions if we think outside the box. e.g.: A robotic dog which can seek out gunpowder. If given to a person with a gun, it'll sneeze all night and notify everyone. If not, the person gets a onetime Bullet Bill check. The key is not to find pro-town inventions per se, but rather to find pro-town inventions which are unambiguous. A robotic dog could kill a player when they try to use it, a broadcast tower could send a signal to explode a bomb inside a vest that the inventor handed out, etc.Anyways, this is all likely moot, as a townie inventor will probably get roleblocked, and a mafia inventor will just not invent, and claim they got roleblocked. Anyways, we have plenty of time to talk about this, as we have over 72 hours before the inventor has to invent. However, we do need to discuss the pro-town role list, and the 'no pick' list. Is there anything that doesn't belong, or should belong, on those lists??
I've never played a game with an inventor, but a clever player could probably use an item in different ways, beyond what it was intended for.
ver, is this true? can you misuse inventor's items?
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Nono, you misunderstood what was being said tnkted, what people were saying is that the inventor could invent anti-town items and name it other things to get away with it, like making a "robotic dog" that when given to a mafia buddy grants them an extra KP, which is why people wanted unambiguous names, as the invention's name has to be in some way related to its function.
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On May 20 2011 02:28 Incognito wrote:See? Something turned up. Given how the last few pages turned out I'm pretty confident the recent posters are town. I wouldve expected maybe 1 player on the Kavdragon lynch to actually be mafia, but I guess there's two. At this point, my guess is on Chezinu and Caller. Feel free to lynch me. But I seriously doubt you'll be able to, once I do the exact opposite of what the mafia would want to do. ##Nuke ChezinuEveryone should agree that getting rid of Chezinu is a pro-town move. Especially now that there is a vote check on the Kavdragon lynch. Now seriously, what mafia would shoot into a vote list that has 2/6 red on it? Unless of course I am conspiring with GMarshal to screw over the town, this doesn't make any sense. But then again, conspiring with GMarshal doesn't make too much sense either if I'm announcing that option. Furthermore, it makes no sense for mafia to take America. Especially after Radfield proclaimed it an anti-town role. But if you think about it, its the most transparent role in the game. There's no way for me to hide from a misuse of the role, and its not like I can use it to kill blatant townspeople without significant backlash. Frankly put, America is a ridiculous option for mafia. There are way better KP roles for them to use. So feel free to pile your votes on me now. Nobody else type the nuke command. When Ver confirms that a nuke has been launched, you can all take your votes off me, ok? I'll be back later with some more thoughts. + Show Spoiler +Funny thing I saw a couple days ago in the news: "IMF chief's arrest stirs up anti-Americanism in France" Seems fitting, huh Radfield? 
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Why are you always trying to force us with this "this role is a ridiculous option for Mafia" talk? I thought you and Radfield agreed that this was another role on the no-pick list?
See. This is what I don't get about you two. Both of you are going against your Day 1 plans. What gives Incognito? With Radfield I have an idea about his..."pick" and it has nothing to do with whats going on this game.
But now you're nuking when I could have sworn "nukes are bad" was a Scum move. So now if Chezinu flips town we waste a day on you, and if he flips Scum you just bussed a teammate and started a which hunt on 4 other innocents.
You didn't even discuss anything, or even claim before nuking (if your even America). How is that pro-town?
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On May 20 2011 03:02 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 02:28 Incognito wrote:See? Something turned up. Given how the last few pages turned out I'm pretty confident the recent posters are town. I wouldve expected maybe 1 player on the Kavdragon lynch to actually be mafia, but I guess there's two. At this point, my guess is on Chezinu and Caller. Feel free to lynch me. But I seriously doubt you'll be able to, once I do the exact opposite of what the mafia would want to do. ##Nuke ChezinuEveryone should agree that getting rid of Chezinu is a pro-town move. Especially now that there is a vote check on the Kavdragon lynch. Now seriously, what mafia would shoot into a vote list that has 2/6 red on it? Unless of course I am conspiring with GMarshal to screw over the town, this doesn't make any sense. But then again, conspiring with GMarshal doesn't make too much sense either if I'm announcing that option. Furthermore, it makes no sense for mafia to take America. Especially after Radfield proclaimed it an anti-town role. But if you think about it, its the most transparent role in the game. There's no way for me to hide from a misuse of the role, and its not like I can use it to kill blatant townspeople without significant backlash. Frankly put, America is a ridiculous option for mafia. There are way better KP roles for them to use. So feel free to pile your votes on me now. Nobody else type the nuke command. When Ver confirms that a nuke has been launched, you can all take your votes off me, ok? I'll be back later with some more thoughts. + Show Spoiler +Funny thing I saw a couple days ago in the news: "IMF chief's arrest stirs up anti-Americanism in France" Seems fitting, huh Radfield?  :/ Why are you always trying to force us with this "this role is a ridiculous option for Mafia" talk? I thought you and Radfield agreed that this was another role on the no-pick list? See. This is what I don't get about you two. Both of you are going against your Day 1 plans. What gives Incognito? With Radfield I have an idea about his..."pick" and it has nothing to do with whats going on this game. But now you're nuking when I could have sworn "nukes are bad" was a Scum move. So now if Chezinu flips town we waste a day on you, and if he flips Scum you just bussed a teammate and started a which hunt on 4 other innocents. You didn't even discuss anything, or even claim before nuking (if your even America). How is that pro-town? Uh...I never agreed with Radfield's plan. "Invisible posters" remember?
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Well, thats that then.
So why did you nuke Chezinu with no discussion from anyone else? That's a bit hasty isn't it?
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On May 20 2011 03:07 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 03:02 Ace wrote:On May 20 2011 02:28 Incognito wrote:See? Something turned up. Given how the last few pages turned out I'm pretty confident the recent posters are town. I wouldve expected maybe 1 player on the Kavdragon lynch to actually be mafia, but I guess there's two. At this point, my guess is on Chezinu and Caller. Feel free to lynch me. But I seriously doubt you'll be able to, once I do the exact opposite of what the mafia would want to do. ##Nuke ChezinuEveryone should agree that getting rid of Chezinu is a pro-town move. Especially now that there is a vote check on the Kavdragon lynch. Now seriously, what mafia would shoot into a vote list that has 2/6 red on it? Unless of course I am conspiring with GMarshal to screw over the town, this doesn't make any sense. But then again, conspiring with GMarshal doesn't make too much sense either if I'm announcing that option. Furthermore, it makes no sense for mafia to take America. Especially after Radfield proclaimed it an anti-town role. But if you think about it, its the most transparent role in the game. There's no way for me to hide from a misuse of the role, and its not like I can use it to kill blatant townspeople without significant backlash. Frankly put, America is a ridiculous option for mafia. There are way better KP roles for them to use. So feel free to pile your votes on me now. Nobody else type the nuke command. When Ver confirms that a nuke has been launched, you can all take your votes off me, ok? I'll be back later with some more thoughts. + Show Spoiler +Funny thing I saw a couple days ago in the news: "IMF chief's arrest stirs up anti-Americanism in France" Seems fitting, huh Radfield?  :/ Why are you always trying to force us with this "this role is a ridiculous option for Mafia" talk? I thought you and Radfield agreed that this was another role on the no-pick list? See. This is what I don't get about you two. Both of you are going against your Day 1 plans. What gives Incognito? With Radfield I have an idea about his..."pick" and it has nothing to do with whats going on this game. But now you're nuking when I could have sworn "nukes are bad" was a Scum move. So now if Chezinu flips town we waste a day on you, and if he flips Scum you just bussed a teammate and started a which hunt on 4 other innocents. You didn't even discuss anything, or even claim before nuking (if your even America). How is that pro-town? Uh...I never agreed with Radfield's plan. "Invisible posters" remember? You listed me as invisible poster twice while I posted a bit,Your list was ALWAYS inaccurate.
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On May 20 2011 02:45 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 02:39 GMarshal wrote:On May 20 2011 02:33 tnkted wrote: I've just skimmed through the thread (i'm moving today!) so i dont have time for a big long post explaining this, but if inventions can be misused, whoever has those glasses could theoretically misuse them by starting a fire during the day to kill somebody/burn their house down.
If that person were to type something like #burn incognito we could get a fourth kill today (counting wiggles and incog's just revealed nuke power).
This is assuming of course that inventions could be misused like this. Either way, if rose colored glasses always return red (which seems likely given the name) they have lenses, and those lenses could focus the sun....
also, didn't incog put america on a no-pick list? wtf? Just an idea. Are you high? Inventions do what their description states nothing else, otherwise who knows what shenanigans people could up to with inventions. Unless you know something about the glasses we don't. no, I was just going from this: Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 03:35 Radfield wrote:On May 16 2011 03:26 infinitestory wrote: I think we can easily get more pro-town inventions if we think outside the box. e.g.: A robotic dog which can seek out gunpowder. If given to a person with a gun, it'll sneeze all night and notify everyone. If not, the person gets a onetime Bullet Bill check. The key is not to find pro-town inventions per se, but rather to find pro-town inventions which are unambiguous. A robotic dog could kill a player when they try to use it, a broadcast tower could send a signal to explode a bomb inside a vest that the inventor handed out, etc.Anyways, this is all likely moot, as a townie inventor will probably get roleblocked, and a mafia inventor will just not invent, and claim they got roleblocked. Anyways, we have plenty of time to talk about this, as we have over 72 hours before the inventor has to invent. However, we do need to discuss the pro-town role list, and the 'no pick' list. Is there anything that doesn't belong, or should belong, on those lists?? I've never played a game with an inventor, but a clever player could probably use an item in different ways, beyond what it was intended for. ver, is this true? can you misuse inventor's items?
Inventor
At night you can invent anything you feel like. Give someone a gun with 1 bullet, give someone more bullets, a med-kit, a detective kit, a telephone or whatever else you can think of. PM me what you want to invent and what player you want to give it to. Of course if you're invention is totally game breaking I won't allow it and you have to invent something else. Be creative ^_^. You can't give yourself anything, and you must tell me how your invention works so I can PM the other player (you cannot trick them to how the invention works). In the Day post there will be a message letting everyone know what was invented, but not who it was given to. You can only invent the same thing (or something very similar) once, and each invention can only be used once by the target. Lastly, you can only give one invention to each player until the remaining alive players have all received an invention.
It sure doesn't seem like there's any "room for interpretation" with inventions.
Out of the five people on the Kav voting list, I'm most willing to believe that Chezinu is scum. But now I'm completely unsure about Incognito. I didn't think scum would be willing to risk choosing America, but at the same time I feel that it's extremely anti-town to force three kills in one day, especially when Chezinu might have died by Wiggles' hand, without discussing it at all in public.
And if Chezinu is scum, then we've got the mother of all WIFOMs on our hands as we wonder whether or not Incog bussed him -- and because we know (provided GMarshal's not in on this) there's another scum on that list, we'll lynch blindly and waste who knows how many days.
I can't take this move as being good for the town. Therefore, Incognito just got a lot more scummy to me.
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On May 20 2011 02:39 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 02:33 tnkted wrote: I've just skimmed through the thread (i'm moving today!) so i dont have time for a big long post explaining this, but if inventions can be misused, whoever has those glasses could theoretically misuse them by starting a fire during the day to kill somebody/burn their house down.
If that person were to type something like #burn incognito we could get a fourth kill today (counting wiggles and incog's just revealed nuke power).
This is assuming of course that inventions could be misused like this. Either way, if rose colored glasses always return red (which seems likely given the name) they have lenses, and those lenses could focus the sun....
also, didn't incog put america on a no-pick list? wtf? Just an idea. Are you high? Inventions do what their description states nothing else, otherwise who knows what shenanigans people could up to with inventions. Unless you know something about the glasses we don't. Either way we have bigger fish to fry than that. Anyway if incog is America as he claims I can't see him being mafia, it seems like it would be the crappiest role for the scum team to pick, ever, mafia don't like powers that require for them to post in thread. Of course maybe he is just a *really* ballsy mafia. Either way I reserve judgment until we see if the nuke goes off.
If Incognito is Mafia, that is like the perfect cover for him. "The most dangerous place is often the safest". This is a game of Mafia.
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On May 20 2011 03:13 Node wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 02:45 tnkted wrote:On May 20 2011 02:39 GMarshal wrote:On May 20 2011 02:33 tnkted wrote: I've just skimmed through the thread (i'm moving today!) so i dont have time for a big long post explaining this, but if inventions can be misused, whoever has those glasses could theoretically misuse them by starting a fire during the day to kill somebody/burn their house down.
If that person were to type something like #burn incognito we could get a fourth kill today (counting wiggles and incog's just revealed nuke power).
This is assuming of course that inventions could be misused like this. Either way, if rose colored glasses always return red (which seems likely given the name) they have lenses, and those lenses could focus the sun....
also, didn't incog put america on a no-pick list? wtf? Just an idea. Are you high? Inventions do what their description states nothing else, otherwise who knows what shenanigans people could up to with inventions. Unless you know something about the glasses we don't. no, I was just going from this: On May 16 2011 03:35 Radfield wrote:On May 16 2011 03:26 infinitestory wrote: I think we can easily get more pro-town inventions if we think outside the box. e.g.: A robotic dog which can seek out gunpowder. If given to a person with a gun, it'll sneeze all night and notify everyone. If not, the person gets a onetime Bullet Bill check. The key is not to find pro-town inventions per se, but rather to find pro-town inventions which are unambiguous. A robotic dog could kill a player when they try to use it, a broadcast tower could send a signal to explode a bomb inside a vest that the inventor handed out, etc.Anyways, this is all likely moot, as a townie inventor will probably get roleblocked, and a mafia inventor will just not invent, and claim they got roleblocked. Anyways, we have plenty of time to talk about this, as we have over 72 hours before the inventor has to invent. However, we do need to discuss the pro-town role list, and the 'no pick' list. Is there anything that doesn't belong, or should belong, on those lists?? I've never played a game with an inventor, but a clever player could probably use an item in different ways, beyond what it was intended for. ver, is this true? can you misuse inventor's items? Show nested quote + Inventor
At night you can invent anything you feel like. Give someone a gun with 1 bullet, give someone more bullets, a med-kit, a detective kit, a telephone or whatever else you can think of. PM me what you want to invent and what player you want to give it to. Of course if you're invention is totally game breaking I won't allow it and you have to invent something else. Be creative ^_^. You can't give yourself anything, and you must tell me how your invention works so I can PM the other player (you cannot trick them to how the invention works). In the Day post there will be a message letting everyone know what was invented, but not who it was given to. You can only invent the same thing (or something very similar) once, and each invention can only be used once by the target. Lastly, you can only give one invention to each player until the remaining alive players have all received an invention.
It sure doesn't seem like there's any "room for interpretation" with inventions. Out of the five people on the Kav voting list, I'm most willing to believe that Chezinu is scum. But now I'm completely unsure about Incognito. I didn't think scum would be willing to risk choosing America, but at the same time I feel that it's extremely anti-town to force three kills in one day, especially when Chezinu might have died by Wiggles' hand, without discussing it at all in public. And if Chezinu is scum, then we've got the mother of all WIFOMs on our hands as we wonder whether or not Incog bussed him -- and because we know (provided GMarshal's not in on this) there's another scum on that list, we'll lynch blindly and waste who knows how many days. I can't take this move as being good for the town. Therefore, Incognito just got a lot more scummy to me.
Oh, ok. I guess that settles that then.
I agree with the anti-incog wagon here. Also since INCOG HIMSELF agrees with it:
Everyone should agree that getting rid of Chezinu is a pro-town move. Especially now that there is a vote check on the Kavdragon lynch. Now seriously, what mafia would shoot into a vote list that has 2/6 red on it? Unless of course I am conspiring with GMarshal to screw over the town, this doesn't make any sense. But then again, conspiring with GMarshal doesn't make too much sense either if I'm announcing that option. Furthermore, it makes no sense for mafia to take America. Especially after Radfield proclaimed it an anti-town role. But if you think about it, its the most transparent role in the game. There's no way for me to hide from a misuse of the role, and its not like I can use it to kill blatant townspeople without significant backlash. Frankly put, America is a ridiculous option for mafia. There are way better KP roles for them to use. So feel free to pile your votes on me now. Nobody else type the nuke command. When Ver confirms that a nuke has been launched, you can all take your votes off me, ok?
Callin' your bluff. #Vote incognito
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On May 20 2011 03:13 Node wrote: Out of the five people on the Kav voting list, I'm most willing to believe that Chezinu is scum. But now I'm completely unsure about Incognito. I didn't think scum would be willing to risk choosing America, but at the same time I feel that it's extremely anti-town to force three kills in one day, especially when Chezinu might have died by Wiggles' hand, without discussing it at all in public.
And if Chezinu is scum, then we've got the mother of all WIFOMs on our hands as we wonder whether or not Incog bussed him -- and because we know (provided GMarshal's not in on this) there's another scum on that list, we'll lynch blindly and waste who knows how many days.
I can't take this move as being good for the town. Therefore, Incognito just got a lot more scummy to me. Everyone uses this term "WIFOM" as if its impossible to figure anything out. In case you haven't noticed, the entire game of mafia is WIFOM. All behavior analysis boils down to "X is mafia because of Y". But if X knew that Y was suspicious, he wouldn't have done that. You can never be certain. There is no clear cut logic. But the fact is that we still play this game, and people get analysis right. Even though everything is technically WIFOM, not all options are equal. Mafia could lurk, they could be active, they can act risky, they could play it safe. They could even say "hi im mafia" and proceed to clearly attack pro-town players, on the basis that mafia would never be so blatant. Not all those options are equally good. Obviously some (playing safe, contributing without contributing, blending in, etc.) are better than others.
Just think about it for a second. Its pretty obvious that even if Chezinu flips mafia, people will still be skeptical. Like has been said many times, bussing isn't really that effective for mafia. If Chezinu was mafia, why would I bus him? I just lost 1/6 of my team, with no guarantee that I will be saved. If Chezinu flips town, then it doesn't make sense for me to be mafia because I just eliminated a scummy player and narrowed down the vote list from 2/6 to 2/5. If Looking at the thread condition right now, if I was mafia, I'd be best to shoot the people who are trying to get stuff done. Dreamflower, Ace, Flamewheel are all much better nuke targets. I could probably easily justify those nukes too. But I didn't. I shot someone I think is mafia, and I am narrowing down the vote list if I'm wrong. The simplest explanation is often the best. You can go loopy doubting yourself in WIFOMland if you'd like, but that really isn't a productive use of brainpower.
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On May 20 2011 03:11 Ace wrote: Well, thats that then.
So why did you nuke Chezinu with no discussion from anyone else? That's a bit hasty isn't it? Yes, the person who wants to ignore all my contributions and finger me out as mafia based on a Incog is fingerpointing mantra now wants to discuss. Chezinu is useless. He's on the list. He was one of my suspects. You're obviously wrong on my alignment, so I don't see why I should trust your judgment either. Don't worry, it wasn't a hasty decision. I read through the other posts. I see what information people are throwing out and am acting accordingly. You're probably just mad that you can't influence every decision everyone makes.
On May 20 2011 03:11 Kurumi wrote: You listed me as invisible poster twice while I posted a bit,Your list was ALWAYS inaccurate.
You're pretty invinsible so that's accurate. What I wasn't accurate on was that you're mafia, but at this point it doesn't matter.
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Thing is I dont think you read a lot of posts except for the one post calling Chezinu out by dreamflower. You just so happened to nuke him without any discussion. For someone who's been calling himself the pro-town savior all game long that is VERY out of character.
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On May 20 2011 03:43 Ace wrote: Thing is I dont think you read a lot of posts except for the one post calling Chezinu out by dreamflower. You just so happened to nuke him without any discussion. For someone who's been calling himself the pro-town savior all game long that is VERY out of character. There is no basis for that statement. Unless of course you are looking over my shoulder, which I highly doubt. I already told you you can vote me until Ver announces that a nuke has gone off. While you wait for the fireworks to go off, you can either be productive, or just sit there and chill, for all I care. Just stop blaring the anti-Incog horn. Its getting old.
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Only thing getting old is your gimmick.
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I intended to wait a couple cycles before saying more, but seeing the direction we're heading, I might as well just say this now. Chezinu and Incognito are on my list, and this was prior GMarshal submitted his check list.
It wasn't exactly a random vote that I put on Chezinu on Day 1. In fact it was this exact quote that alerted me. + Show Spoiler +On May 16 2011 23:22 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 19:40 Chezinu wrote: Question: If the Editor says a codeword that activates a bomb but then edits his post before you (the host) reads it, does the bomb go off? Y U So Mafia?! It's might seem too subtle for most of you, or maybe we just share a different point of view, but to me, a pro-town player would never ask such a question.
As for Incognito, a lot of you have already pointed fingers at his play, so I don't really have much to add on that. Now what Incognito is arguing does makes sense to a certain degree, but I also don't have time to discuss this any deeper for now.
I'll try to add a bit more when I get home tonight.
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