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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
##vote: incognito for now. Let's see how Chezinu flip. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Speaking of Ace, why the hell are you softballing suspicion on me over my role? If you know my role, you know EXACTLY why I didn't follow my own plan. Fishball, assuming you rolechecked me(which you are insinuating) can you back me up that a) you know exactly why I did what I did, and b) there is no reason to be suspicious of me not taking VR. If you keep this up Ace, I'm probably gonna have to make an all-caps angry role claim.... Wiggles, where did you go. Lynch node if you pop in in the next hour, but i'm going to go over Caller right now, and may or may not make a case. I originally had him as town, but I seem to recall him playing fairly semi-lurker when he's mafia, and he's been quite quiet this game. Nothing sure yet though.... | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Ver can you give us a run down of how the kingmaker/ politician roles work in conjunction. Does the politician have to post in thread to use the power? Does the politician lynch show up at the end of the day or immediately? Will Wiggles be informed if he loses his lynch? etc. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 20 2011 06:47 Radfield wrote: Whatever Incog's alignment, shooting into those 6 players is great for town(and shooting Chez in particular). If Incog actually turns out to be America, we should not lynch. As long as he is willing to off anti-town players, it's a boon for us on the whole. If he ever does make an anti-town play, or even a questionable play that he tries to talk himself out of, we lynch. The way Ace is talking he'll shoot him tonight though. Speaking of Ace, why the hell are you softballing suspicion on me over my role? If you know my role, you know EXACTLY why I didn't follow my own plan. Fishball, assuming you rolechecked me(which you are insinuating) can you back me up that a) you know exactly why I did what I did, and b) there is no reason to be suspicious of me not taking VR. If you keep this up Ace, I'm probably gonna have to make an all-caps angry role claim.... Wiggles, where did you go. Lynch node if you pop in in the next hour, but i'm going to go over Caller right now, and may or may not make a case. I originally had him as town, but I seem to recall him playing fairly semi-lurker when he's mafia, and he's been quite quiet this game. Nothing sure yet though.... I have my suspicion because of your Day 1 plan. I mean you can't even give me a decent reason for why you didn't follow it? But don't role claim, I could have said what your role is myself. For now we'll drop it. I'm not going to shoot Incognito just yet. I still don't understand how anybody is buying him nuking ANYONE as a pro-town move. If you're a suspect and you nuke someone who is also on the suspect list then of course it's going to look like a "good move". I'm shocked some of you are actually buying this. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
"Be Strong, Be a Martyr, Be Brown." As the nukes fall from the sky and the Post-apocalyptic California becomes a reality. This is War.... War never changes... Fire falls down... Fire falls down! The Beast within is scorched. The fire shall purify me...Nothing shall hinder me now... Nothing... I no longer have conflicts within my soul. For death is imminent. I can now speak without repercussions. My town, forgive me. I disappoint not only myself but the town as a whole. What have I done? What can I claim that benefits the town? The Truth... I may be a hero of the past but in the present I'm nothing but a clueless player.. An illusion of greatness... Winning is deceptive.. For it is fleeting.. One moment, your on top of the mountain, the next your in the valley. Does it matter what greatness you've witness on the peaks when you are blinded in the darkness of the valley? Maybe so..maybe so.. For that is where one can gain his strength back. In hope that one day, through the sacrifice of a martyr he might one day stand on the peak. But what martyr can one hope in to be willing to give up his life to save another? Especially to save someone like me who is crazy and unrepairable by all means of psychiatric help.. How would they know if I would behave well on the mountain top? How would they know that I wouldn't abuse the opportunity given to me? If I were to be saved... I would need to be changed myself.. For my evil desires will lure me into insanity once again.. There must be a way to kill the evil within, is fire the answer? Will the fire consume the evilness within me and burn it into a crisp. Will this fire birth in me a new desire? A desire that will spread out of me and consume those around me? That they too will be free from there wickedness? Brown Forever, Forever Brown. What can stop this cycle of brownness? A hero is needed, A martyr who is stronger than brown itself, a priest willing to resurrect him whom sacrificed himself. For the hero, the martyr, and the priest shall unit together to form an unstoppable town force that will use fire to burn the impurities from brown earth. For brown is always slaking because it is always dearth. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I'm not going to shoot Incognito just yet. I still don't understand how anybody is buying him nuking ANYONE as a pro-town move. If you're a suspect and you nuke someone who is also on the suspect list then of course it's going to look like a "good move". I'm shocked some of you are actually buying this. You misunderstand. I'm not saying Incognito is pro-town because of this move. I'm saying all WIFOM or motivations aside, killing chez is great for town. I have my suspicion because of your Day 1 plan. I mean you can't even give me a decent reason for why you didn't follow it? But don't role claim, I could have said what your role is myself. For now we'll drop it. You're still softballing suspicion on me here, so lets not drop it. Fishball, please back me up: ACE IF YOU KNOW MY ROLE, YOU KNOW MY REASONS. I'm honestly racking my brain trying to think of why someone town aligned would be calling me out after role-checking me, and I can't find any. In fact, if you think I'm so scummy, blurt my role and build a case based on that, because I guarantee not one other player will find it scummy, or find any reason for you to have posted about my role in the thread at all. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On May 20 2011 07:22 Chezinu wrote: "Be Strong, Be a Martyr, Be Brown." As the nukes fall from the sky and the Post-apocalyptic California becomes a reality. This is War.... War never changes... Fire falls down... Fire falls down! The Beast within is scorched. The fire shall purify me...Nothing shall hinder me now... Nothing... I no longer have conflicts within my soul. For death is imminent. I can now speak without repercussions. My town, forgive me. I disappoint not only myself but the town as a whole. What have I done? What can I claim that benefits the town? The Truth... I may be a hero of the past but in the present I'm nothing but a clueless player.. An illusion of greatness... Winning is deceptive.. For it is fleeting.. One moment, your on top of the mountain, the next your in the valley. Does it matter what greatness you've witness on the peaks when you are blinded in the darkness of the valley? Maybe so..maybe so.. For that is where one can gain his strength back. In hope that one day, through the sacrifice of a martyr he might one day stand on the peak. But what martyr can one hope in to be willing to give up his life to save another? Especially to save someone like me who is crazy and unrepairable by all means of psychiatric help.. How would they know if I would behave well on the mountain top? How would they know that I wouldn't abuse the opportunity given to me? If I were to be saved... I would need to be changed myself.. For my evil desires will lure me into insanity once again.. There must be a way to kill the evil within, is fire the answer? Will the fire consume the evilness within me and burn it into a crisp. Will this fire birth in me a new desire? A desire that will spread out of me and consume those around me? That they too will be free from there wickedness? Brown Forever, Forever Brown. What can stop this cycle of brownness? A hero is needed, A martyr who is stronger than brown itself, a priest willing to resurrect him whom sacrificed himself. For the hero, the martyr, and the priest shall unit together to form an unstoppable town force that will use fire to burn the impurities from brown earth. For brown is always slaking because it is always dearth. If you picked Hero, I'm really glad Incog nuked you. | ||
Ver
United States2186 Posts
On May 20 2011 05:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Are we notified of "Nuclear Launch Detected", or do we have to wait and see if it lands? If a nuke has been launched I will announce it and its target at either around the 24 hour mark before the lynch or the 12 hour mark, depending on when it was launched. The nuke, if launched, will land right after the lynch. Ver can you give us a run down of how the kingmaker/ politician roles work in conjunction. Does the politician have to post in thread to use the power? Does the politician lynch show up at the end of the day or immediately? Will Wiggles be informed if he loses his lynch? etc. No the politician is entirely private. They pm me who they want to control. If they control the king (or america), I will let them know that they have his lynch available to use and must use it (assuming he hasn't used it). The King will be informed if the politician controls him (as would anybody). The politician vote shows up right after they use it. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
As to who we should lynch today my vote stays on Node. If you look at his earlier posts, especially those about the setup after roles went out he shows hints of a mafia mindset, specifically in his emphasis on broken mafia combos, his suggestion that town take "quirky" roles to stop such mafia combos and his emphasis on avoiding a mafia denial plan. On May 15 2011 04:08 Node wrote: Another thing to keep in mind is that the mafia doesn't necessarily have to go for the hyper-agressive, maximize-night-KP-style of play. All of the protection roles in the world won't help us if they go for a setup like Kingmaker, Hero, Politician, Emperor, Vote Rigger, Pardoner. They've got the tools to completely deny us the lynch. Because of this, I'm totally behind just giving town nearly free reign on the roles they think are "cool" -- we need a good mix to make wacky strategies like this more unlikely. Look at this gem of a post, it 1.) shows he is considering different strategies as mafia 2.) suggests that the town pick "cool" roles which are usually not as strong as the more traditional roles. The town would be thinking about broken town combinations much more than about broken mafia combinations, and no sane town would suggest a strategy to the mafia team. On May 17 2011 08:47 Node wrote: I have no problem with giving people what they ask for. ##Vote deconduo Let us all chant "voting for someone who is almost certainly not mafia is not something townies do" Once more, for emphasis "voting for someone who is almost certainly not mafia is not something townies do" mafia don't request to be lynched day one, it just doesn't happen, and assuming decon was a VI, then you just tried to throw away our lynch. I think Node is scum, and the bulk of his posts are not real contributions, the only contributing post is his analysis of Foolishness, which boils down to "foolishness is lurking" which while a valid point, can be said about a bunch of other people such as KillerSOS and Eiii. So yeah, I'm voting Node and so should you, or maybe wiggles should use his lynch on him, and save us the bickering. @those inactive lurkers. KillerSOS, Eiii, others, start posting before I become angry. I may not have a gun, but there are those who do. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On May 20 2011 05:46 chaoser wrote: Wow, I leave to get on a bus to NY and four hours later we got GM saying he's DT and Incognito saying he's America and nuking people. Here's a question for Incognito, all your actions so far have been motivated by a desire to seem pro-town. You keep going back to this idea that you are contributing a lot and you keep reframing the stance that you aren't doing what mafia normally do. I feel like your argument boils down to "You can't 100% say I'm mafia therefore I'm not." or "You say I'm scummy but would Mafia really act this way that stands out?". While that's WIFOM, the fact of the matter is that you have been acting very anti-town. From picking America to pulling that "wishy washy" lynch on Kav, you've been consistently acting anti-town. It's a trend that frankly doesn't strike me as very helpful and definitely doesn't put me at ease. ##vote: incognito for now. Let's see how Chezinu flip. Lets see how you flip how bout. That was not a contribution. That's a bunch of rehashed attacks(some legitimate) on Incognito. No one needs to write a paragraph about voting for Incog at this point unless they are scum(and he is green) or if they're bringing up something new. Assuming one of Incog or Chez is green and one is red, who is your other suspect out of the 6? Which players do you have a pro-town read on and which an anti-town read. If Incognito was day vigged today, who would your second suspect be? Caller, you wanted something to do, tell me if Chaoser is red. Also, if you could check into tnked that would be a worthy assignment. Flamewheel, you know your alignment, so assuming GM is telling the truth, who do we need to off out of the other four? If you think Incog is town, then you just found 2 players out of three who are mafia. Who is who? Bumatlarge, where have you gone. It's Day 2, it's time to pick it up, not disappear. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On May 20 2011 05:46 chaoser wrote: Wow, I leave to get on a bus to NY and four hours later we got GM saying he's DT and Incognito saying he's America and nuking people. Here's a question for Incognito, all your actions so far have been motivated by a desire to seem pro-town. You keep going back to this idea that you are contributing a lot and you keep reframing the stance that you aren't doing what mafia normally do. I feel like your argument boils down to "You can't 100% say I'm mafia therefore I'm not." or "You say I'm scummy but would Mafia really act this way that stands out?". While that's WIFOM, the fact of the matter is that you have been acting very anti-town. From picking America to pulling that "wishy washy" lynch on Kav, you've been consistently acting anti-town. It's a trend that frankly doesn't strike me as very helpful and definitely doesn't put me at ease. ##vote: incognito for now. Let's see how Chezinu flip. Also, is there a question in here?? It's good to know that someone "consistently acting anti-town" doesn't strike you as helpful or put you at ease. So when should we lynch Chaoser? I realize we have other business at hand but if there is no agreement among incog, flame, node, caller then this bares looking at as a sober second option. I'll also admit I haven't gone over his posts a ton, but certainly will be doing so. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Assuming one of Incog or Chez is green and one is red, who is your other suspect out of the 6? Which players do you have a pro-town read on and which an anti-town read. If Incognito was day vigged today, who would your second suspect be? Probably dreamflower. Haven't read her previous games but her apologetic tone and her only posting to answer questions strikes me as a wee tad scummy. I'm sorry if you guys were hoping to be higher up on the draft order, though I must say I'm kind of glad that I ended up in the middle. I don't mind getting a slightly-less-controversial blue role, hopefully. I do apologize for not having posted a great deal since the game started. It's been a while since my last game of Mafia, and I feel extremely rusty and deeply unwilling to just post for the sake of posting when I really don't know what I'm talking about. I'm sorry that my posts often sound like other people's and frequently focus on roles, but the mystery surrounding the novelty of picking your own role has, admittedly, dominated my thinking. Her Ace write up I need to read over again but my original thoughts on it were that it was a bit silly saying that Ace was acting scummy by going after incognito but not chenizu. Chenizu is chenizu, just like Kenpachi is Kenpachi. They doing their dumb things are null tells and I think it's more important to focus on people who are acting scummy and actually trying to sway public opinion rather than focus on the ribble rabble like chenizu or kenpachi (sadly he is not in this game). I feel at the end of the day it really falls down to incognito v Ace and so far I agree with Ace. Though if Incog flips green then I'm going to be spending a lot more time on Ace. I don't want a Sleeper Mafia to happen where Ace just kept slipping through people's grasps. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
If Wiggles can lynch part way through the day cycle, we will have a lot more information to go with to help determine the real lynch. Flamewheel's reaction to being shot was a bit odd. Logically if he is town, a mafia CPR doc would be my first thought. Caller, the person most likely with a kp, isn't really getting much attention and he is keeping quiet for the most part. I'm surprised everyone is so sold on him being town. It seems like everyone wants to lynch into Kav's group, which I'm not opposed to, but someone that should be on everyone's radar is Foolishness: On May 16 2011 09:55 Foolishness wrote: Okay so, we tell people which role to take now, but after the picking we pretend that discussion never happened? On May 16 2011 09:57 Foolishness wrote: WAIT! I FIGURED IT OUT! You're going to pick the editor and as soon as game starts you're going to edit all your posts out! That way mafia can't see what roles people took, but you will still know! Brilliant! On May 17 2011 05:57 Foolishness wrote: Just so I can be better prepared...what's step 3? On May 17 2011 10:24 Foolishness wrote: Can we stop semi-claiming roles now? On May 19 2011 09:21 Foolishness wrote: I would put $100 on there not being any vote checks tonight. I'd also put $500 on Inventor not inventing a vote check kit or a bullet proof vest. -He is posting sarcastic one-liners that are borderline spam, which is uncharacteristic of his playstyle. His most recent post was an absolutely useless update of the numbers list with scamp and kav's roles included. To top it all off, this is his reasoning for voting incognito: On May 17 2011 04:48 Foolishness wrote: This game the rest of his posts are mostly one liners. Particularly, he got really quiet after the draft order and picking. He's clearly got something to hide that he doesn't want the town to know about. -Rather than contributing his own opinions, he is complaining about those of others. He is pushing his views half-halfheartedly and is repeatedly saying empty statements like "Let's hunt scum!" or "Don't rely on blues!" On May 19 2011 12:05 Foolishness wrote: If nobody else is going to try to do some normal, mafia analysis, we might as well just throw in the towel now. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 20 2011 10:45 kitaman27 wrote: -He is posting sarcastic one-liners that are borderline spam, which is uncharacteristic of his playstyle. It is? o.O On May 20 2011 10:45 kitaman27 wrote: His most recent post was an absolutely useless update of the numbers list with scamp and kav's roles included. I'm keeping it updated for my records, and thought someone else might benefit from it as well. Assuming mafia did not pile up on the same number it will come in handy later. I sure as heck am not going to try to pass that post off as a contribution. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On May 20 2011 10:57 Foolishness wrote: It is? o.O I'm keeping it updated for my records, and thought someone else might benefit from it as well. Assuming mafia did not pile up on the same number it will come in handy later. I sure as heck am not going to try to pass that post off as a contribution. Where's your big posts like in XXXVII where you destroyed my mafia team? I misses it =[. Are we really going to try to base a plan around rigging the votes and getting a votecheck? What happened to "let's treat this as a normal game until someone claims"? No plans for vote rigging or checking. Let's scum hunt. But where is it? You talk about not wanting to speculate about what potential imba combos mafia might have, ask chenizu for his step 3, post 1 liners about nothing in particular, mostly commenting on various things while adding in no input of your own. I think someone mentioned this but this whole post is one big piece of fluff. On May 19 2011 12:05 Foolishness wrote: I'm bored of listening to lazy plans of how blue roles are going to win us the game while people like Radfield slowly get others (scamp, deconduo) to claim their role in the thread. I almost feel like we should all just mass claim at this point to at least try to coordinate our blues instead of just hoping they do what we want while mafia probe people in the thread to figure out who to kill. At the end of the day yesterday, I just thought Incognito had a bad case of Pyrrhuloxitis and wasn't really mafia, since to me some of his arguments against Kav were lol. So I didn't change my vote off of him until the end, but I lost track of time because I was watching proleague. Shit happens. Now I'm not sure what to think anymore. At the very least, Incog's attitude does not help the town in the current situation so I will still be voting him unless new information surfaces. And frankly, I doubt anything new will come up. If the vote checker checks some list (as planned) would you have them claim the results even if they aren't damning? We all know mafia spread out votes as much as possible, so they will probably get a 1/5 people are mafia in one of the lists. Well big freaking deal since we got a 1/5 chance of randomly killing a mafia with a lynch anyways. I fail to see how vote checking is going to get us anywhere tomorrow. This game has lots of good players, mafia aren't going to be stupid and lose because of a vote check. If nobody else is going to try to do some normal, mafia analysis, we might as well just throw in the towel now. These vote checks which are going to return 1/5 are mafia aren't going to help anything until day 4 when we get a bunch more vote checks to properly nab the mafia. Game will probably be close to over by then. Ace, you are the one who said we didn't have much to talk about, and already had the max (or close to max) amount of information we could possibly get from day 1 prodding. I don't even expect you to still be reading this post. But if you want to sit around with your gun and let people like Radfield and Incognito mess up the town that's your deal. I got better things to do. You talk about blue hunting and not being preoccupied with roles but you go right back into talking about how everyone is talking about roles while doing no scumhunting of your own. You bitch at Incognito for "And you've got loads of analysis Mr "let's wait for blues to win us the game"?" while you do none yourself. You've been wishy washy even with your role talk, especially recently on the naming convention of the inventor and on whether inventor should claim or not, going from yes he should to I don't know. All you do when people address your non-scum hunting is to OMGUS them. Thanks to kita for pointing this out. After reading through foolishness' posts I can say he's playing nothing like how he did in XXXVII and he's been pretty anti-town. ##vote Foolishness | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
Should we give the citi.zenship Award to everyone who points fingers? Totally. | ||
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