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On May 19 2011 16:06 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 16:00 Barundar wrote:On May 19 2011 14:41 chaoser wrote:
For now I think we need to focus on the people we were focusing on yesterday, that being Incognito and Barundar. If it comes to it, we can ask for the double lynch and then deal with it when it comes. I'd love to hear your suspects and why, not just general finger pointing. Mafia will probably have the inventor by now. Even if they chose Thief over Copy Cat, they would most likely steal role from Scamp before killing him. Untrue for two reasons. Assume Mafia stole Inventor using the Thief. What happens then is Scamp would show up as vanilla in the flip. Furthermore, his invention could not have been made or given to anybody--the Thief prevents the usage of the role before it is stolen at the end of the night. Does anybody else care who Scamp gave the invention to?
I'm worried that if the recipient claims, he'll be killed before he can report the invention's results. I think we can be certain it's a pro-town function, so all I can say is: To whoever received those glasses, please use them with the utmost judgment.
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On May 19 2011 14:16 infinitestory wrote:
whoops formatting
Also, Can the journalist force Mr. Wiggles to ##lynch a certain target?
Journalist can force anyone with a daytime power to act.
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Let's talk about Foolishness.
He's done nothing of consequence. He's maybe tickled Incognito a couple of times, but the majority of his posts do two things:
1) Complain.
2) Nothing.
Here's his latest big ol' post.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 19 2011 12:05 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 10:08 Ace wrote:On May 19 2011 09:21 Foolishness wrote:
I would put $100 on there not being any vote checks tonight. I'd also put $500 on Inventor not inventing a vote check kit or a bullet proof vest. why so lurkish Foolishness? Dead Townie Day 1, vote switching, shit plans - and you don't have anything to say? Please tell me you're just bored  I'm bored of listening to lazy plans of how blue roles are going to win us the game while people like Radfield slowly get others (scamp, deconduo) to claim their role in the thread. I almost feel like we should all just mass claim at this point to at least try to coordinate our blues instead of just hoping they do what we want while mafia probe people in the thread to figure out who to kill. At the end of the day yesterday, I just thought Incognito had a bad case of Pyrrhuloxitis and wasn't really mafia, since to me some of his arguments against Kav were lol. So I didn't change my vote off of him until the end, but I lost track of time because I was watching proleague. Shit happens. Now I'm not sure what to think anymore. At the very least, Incog's attitude does not help the town in the current situation so I will still be voting him unless new information surfaces. And frankly, I doubt anything new will come up. If the vote checker checks some list (as planned) would you have them claim the results even if they aren't damning? We all know mafia spread out votes as much as possible, so they will probably get a 1/5 people are mafia in one of the lists. Well big freaking deal since we got a 1/5 chance of randomly killing a mafia with a lynch anyways. I fail to see how vote checking is going to get us anywhere tomorrow. This game has lots of good players, mafia aren't going to be stupid and lose because of a vote check. If nobody else is going to try to do some normal, mafia analysis, we might as well just throw in the towel now. These vote checks which are going to return 1/5 are mafia aren't going to help anything until day 4 when we get a bunch more vote checks to properly nab the mafia. Game will probably be close to over by then. Ace, you are the one who said we didn't have much to talk about, and already had the max (or close to max) amount of information we could possibly get from day 1 prodding. I don't even expect you to still be reading this post. But if you want to sit around with your gun and let people like Radfield and Incognito mess up the town that's your deal. I got better things to do.
It's a classic case of saying a lot while not actually saying anything. He champions analysis while doing none of his own, he shoots down the vote checker plan that nobody's been attempting for a day, he prods ace and says that he's got better things to do, but what those would be is anyone's guess.
The only concrete contribution that Foolishness has had to the game is his frequent needling of Incognito. It all boils down to, "Incognito wants to win with blues but no analysis", which, granted, would be a bad thing if that was what Incognito wanted.
He's constantly been saying "analysis good, do analysis", but has yet to become the change he wants to see.
What raises my suspicions even more is that people are willing to say that he's worth defending (hint: he's not). People that I currently don't trust have been softly aligning themselves with Foolishness for reasons that I don't understand.
For instance, Mr. Wiggles has Foolishness on his protect list here:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 18 2011 16:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Ok then, here's my thoughts for tonight:
Role-Checks:
These are the people who, at the moment, it would be a good idea to check their role. If scum got any of the first queue spots, they're likely to have taken a strong scum role from the no-pick list.
Flamewheel
Scamp
Caller
Barundar
Radfield
GMarshal
Alignment Checks:
These are the people I find somewhat suspicious, or who it would be nice to have an alignment check on.
Barundar
Node
Tnkted
Incognito
Radfield
Ace
Vig-Hit:
Deconduo
I'm thinking he's VI, maybe mafia Hero, either way he isn't helping town, and I don't want to waste a lynch on him later. Debatable.
Medic list:
These are the people I think ought to be protected. Either they're acting pro-town already, or have good potential to help town day 2.
Caller
bumatlarge
Radfield
Incognito
Flamewheel
Foolishness
This is just a summary of my thoughts at the moment. Disagree? Want to add? Just cause it's night doesn't mean we need to shut up.
quoth Radfield:
On May 17 2011 04:59 Radfield wrote:
I agree with everything Foolishness is saying.
Radfield also has Foolishness on his protect list here:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 18 2011 19:19 Radfield wrote:So much for 100% eh Incog.... On the bright side, this lynch hopefully gives us oodles of information down the line, once incog and Barundars alignment flips. On another bright note, Incognito won't get targeted by mafia tonight, so in the event he is town he'll probably survive the night. Unless of course a townie shoots him, but if that's the case so be it. Mr. Wiggles, I very much disagree with your rolecheck list. There is a list of roles in this game that no townie should be caught dead with, so we want to use our rolechecks to try and ascertain alignment. Checking the people at the top of the list gives us very little information regarding their alignment. The top 6/7 all have an excellent excuse(whether legit or not) for taking an anti-town role. No one else on the list has that excuse. Anyone with a role check should be looking at whomever they think is scummy lower down on the list. If they have a scummy role(a role on the no-pick list) then they're probably mafia. I really hope someone does an alignment check on Barundar. Even setting aside my suspicions, he was assigned caller gf or cpr doc, so knowing his alignment is very important. Other players worth an alignment check: Flamewheel Infinitestory? Incognito Mr. Wiggles Chaoser dreamflower Players worth some medic protection: Radfield Bum Caller Ace - probably won't get picked off though foolishness - if town he likely has a defensive role anyways GMarshall - there are heaps of suspicion on him, so he is unlikely to get hit Scamp, as inventor, should get a skiff of medic protection Anyone else dying wouldn't be terrible at this point. I'd like to stress that flamewheel doesn't belong on any medic lists, or townie lists. He has done very little to contribute to the town this game. Besides, assuming he is telling the truth about JOAT, I'm pretty sure he can protect himself if he wants to. Inventor(Scamp) should be passing the vote-list checks either to whomever they have the strongest pro-town read on. Chaoser, despite finishing his interviews(his pre-tuesday excuse) still ended up contributing basically zero to the discussion. Simply popped in and voted Incog. Pick it up Chaoser. + Show Spoiler +Incog, you fooled me the first game I ever played. I was sure you were pro-town, but instead you dominated town, took control, and lead mafia to victory with about 5 members left over. Something flamewheel hosted... XXI maybe? On May 18 2011 13:03 Kavdragon wrote:
Also, since I won't be able to post this after my death: All newer players, please take note of the fact that Incog, Ace, and Caller all read me wrong. Vet's are not as good as anyone thinks, including themselves. The only thing you should be afraid of is their egos.
##Vote Foolishness
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On May 15 2011 02:13 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 03:27 Ver wrote:
Clues:
There are no clues.
This is a myth, there are always clues.
Hello everyone,
A miracle has occurred. The great voice of Ver has spoken to me. “Spam no longer or your sanity will be far worse than it is now.” Immediately after these words were spoken, my mind became clear and my sanity restored!
My attitude and approach to the world has changed. No longer do I strive to amuse my personal desire for laughter over the expense of distracting others. My focus now as I read the thread looks not for humor or jokes, but on veiled secrets of darkness that hide behind deceiving texts. I started to scum hunt like a no other. I dove into the texts of the past and searched in the dwellings of the shadows where perniciousness skulks. There, yes there, I found what I was looking for. A lurker with a nefarious agenda eating the decaying remains of a monkey.
Foolishness:+ Show Spoiler + On May 16 2011 09:01 Foolishness wrote:
These plans for the top 5-8 players to pick roles is retarded in it's current form.
If flamewheel/Caller/whoever don't agree to take their designated role (assuming we have a consensus on what roles they should take) we need to lynch them, no questions asked. What's to stop Scamp for all of a sudden posting "hey guys, I'm going to take Hero or Assassin (or whatever role he might want) sorry"? Are you just going to shift down the important role list even further? Yawn. Waste of time.
People are going to pick whatever they want to pick. I'm not opposed to general guidelines, such as town should focus on DT related roles or survival roles, whatever, but assigning roles to the top 5 players is just silly. If you are going to go that route, we should have everyone claim as soon as the picks are out. Either everyone should claim or no one should claim (that includes assigning roles before the picks). Nothing in between. On May 16 2011 09:57 Foolishness wrote:
WAIT! I FIGURED IT OUT!
You're going to pick the editor and as soon as game starts you're going to edit all your posts out! That way mafia can't see what roles people took, but you will still know!
Brilliant! On May 17 2011 04:36 Foolishness wrote:
Are we really going to try to base a plan around rigging the votes and getting a votecheck? What happened to "let's treat this as a normal game until someone claims"? On May 17 2011 04:48 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 04:41 GMarshal wrote:On May 17 2011 04:36 Foolishness wrote:
Are we really going to try to base a plan around rigging the votes and getting a votecheck? What happened to "let's treat this as a normal game until someone claims"? I notice you voted incognito, is there a reason behind that? Yeah easy. I played a mini mafia game with him. He was a medic. He was very outspoken and fairly aggressive. One of his firsts post in the game: + Show Spoiler +On May 14 2011 13:30 Incognito wrote:List of invisible posters:GMarshal
Kitaman27
tnktedBum's post is on spot. Fortunately, I already mapped out some stuff. PYP Insane Game Plan The optimal picking strategy revolves around this cute little role: Show nested quote +Thief
You have the ability to steal the role of a specific player one time per game at night, meaning they lose their role and become vanilla, while you gain it. If you steal from a vanilla player, nothing happens to them and you gain nothing. You cannot steal the role of a traitor or mole. Neither you nor they may not use their role the cycle you steal from them. The following cycle after you steal you can use their role freely with the same limits taken from them. For example if the vote rigger already used his double lynch before you stole it, you will not be able to use it. This role obsoletes the PYP1 and PYP3 role picking strategies. The mere existence of the thief on the role list means that it would be seriously harmful for mafia to know where the good roles are. Of course, it’s a no brainer that the good roles are in the beginning part of the list. So my only advice is that if you’re in the beginning of the list, seriously consider picking a role such as NRA member or Meth Man to deter the mafia from hitting/stealing roles from the top of the list. Due to the fact that the mafia can coordinate numbers with each other while the town can’t, it is very likely that mafia will get a spot within the top 3. As shown by the past PYP games, mafia has gotten the first or second spot in all 3 games. Which means town will likely have to be on the defensive, as it is hard to guarantee that we can effectively deny mafia the thief role. The amount of potential KP in this game is huge. This means that there is a huge potential for the game to end quickly. The basic town strategy should be to avoid KP roles, while going heavy on investigative and defensive roles to try to prolong the game. Tier I RolesMafia 2 Detective + Vote Rigger Inventor Chuiu Jack Modern Detective Role Cop Bullet Bill PYP3 Veteran Doctor Bulletproof Mafia 2 Detective combined with the Vote Rigger is a combo that allows us to break up the town into chunks and analyze with greater ease. The formula is simple. The Vote Rigger rigs the Day 1 Vote into 4 roughly equal blocks with 7, 6, 6, and 5 voters each. All the lurkers/suspicious people are piled onto one list, and the Modern Detective uses his vote check to check one vote block each day, starting with the lurkers. Town then proceeds to analyze the split lists, allowing for more focused analyses. The rest of the investigative roles are used to sort through the lists, while the defensive roles prolong the game and squeeze the mafia. The Mafia will want these rolesKingmaker + Politician Thief Caller Godfather Roleblocker Janitor JailKeeper Puppeteer Hero PYP3 Veteran NRA Member CPR Doctor The best mafia combo pick is Kingmaker + Politician. This effectively gives mafia an unlimited anonymous unblockable dayvig power, capable of sniping off all the top town players. Caller Godfather is also an obvious mafia role. As anyone who’s read Caller’s Mafia V knows, Godfather recruiting high level townies with good roles is a town’s worst nightmare. Denying this role is iffy, as a mafia thief has plenty of time to try to find the role and steal it before it can actually be of use. Jailkeeper, roleblocker, and NRA member are powerful roles for the mafia that prevent investigations, and potentially save mafia from NKs. Hero and PYP 3 veteran cause town pain when mafia slip out of lynches and snipe off a townie. Lastly, puppeteer is surprisingly useful for a good mafia arguer, as it allows them to anonymously mislead town and cause tons of chaos in the thread. However, the most critical roles that we need to deny are the Thief, Politician, Jailkeeper, and Roleblocker. Due to the threat of a mafia thief, we can’t discuss precise strategy here, but townies should strongly consider picking one of these 4 roles. By the way KillerSOS is mafia. Also Node is mafia. That's kinda what I expect out of Incognito (although this post is a bit passive for my taste). In the mini game he made a lot of posts like this. This game the rest of his posts are mostly one liners. Particularly, he got really quiet after the draft order and picking. He's clearly got something to hide that he doesn't want the town to know about. Either he got some great role and wants to hide with it, or more simply he's mafia. No plans for vote rigging or checking. Let's scum hunt. On May 17 2011 05:14 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 05:05 Radfield wrote:
It's possible that the reason Incognito is proposing his vote rigging plan is because he took the M2DT role and wants the vote rigger to follow his plan. Either way, that's for the vote rigger to decide, so there's no point in discussing it.
As far as our day 1 lynch goes, we need to be wary of the Copy Cat role. I think in both PYP games I've played, copy cat was taken by mafia. With a town strategy of role denial, this is again a likely choice for mafia. As such, I think the top players in the draft should not be the focus of our Day 1 lynch. I also realize that I'm in the top part of the draft, so my bias is clear, but hopefully my reasoning makes sense.
Therefore, if you want to build a case against someone in the top 6-8 picks(as I do), I recommend you wait until Day 2, when the Copy Cat role has been allocated. Incognito is third to last on the draft order, no way he got one of those two roles. And as someone already pointed out, the obscene amount of number collisions on the bottom half of the draft give way to the idea that most mafia are probably in the top half. Someone said this is a wifom argument, which I have to strongly disagree with. In a game like this with imba roles and a near unlimited amount of imba combo's, would mafia really pick the same numbers so as to possibly construct a wifom argument in the late game to save them from getting lynched? Heck no. If this was a normal PYP game I could potentially see the merit in this, but not in this game. If the mafia spread out and get a lot of members in the top 5 or slots (which very well may be the case this game) they could easily grab some imba combo a win in 2 or 3 days. It's pointless for us to sit here and speculate what kind of imba combo's the mafia might have, but we should definitely assume that 1) there are very many of them and 2) they probably have one. On May 17 2011 05:22 Foolishness wrote:
EBWOP: Should say "If the mafia spread out and get a lot of members in the top 5 slots....they could easily grab some imba combo AND win in 2 or 3 days". On May 18 2011 06:49 Foolishness wrote:
Seems to me deconduo is an obvious green (or village idiot). Either way I don't see what we gain out of killing him other than getting rid of a potential nobody. I'd rather take a chance of getting rid of a mafia with a potentially good role than shooting useless greens. On May 18 2011 11:44 Foolishness wrote:
Weren't Kavdragon and chaoser having an argument about 24 hours ago? I seem to remember the two of them taking up ~3 pages of posts. On May 18 2011 14:01 Foolishness wrote:
voting barundar to try to save Kav On May 19 2011 09:21 Foolishness wrote:
I would put $100 on there not being any vote checks tonight. I'd also put $500 on Inventor not inventing a vote check kit or a bullet proof vest. On May 19 2011 12:05 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 10:08 Ace wrote:On May 19 2011 09:21 Foolishness wrote:
I would put $100 on there not being any vote checks tonight. I'd also put $500 on Inventor not inventing a vote check kit or a bullet proof vest. why so lurkish Foolishness? Dead Townie Day 1, vote switching, shit plans - and you don't have anything to say? Please tell me you're just bored I'm bored of listening to lazy plans of how blue roles are going to win us the game while people like Radfield slowly get others (scamp, deconduo) to claim their role in the thread. I almost feel like we should all just mass claim at this point to at least try to coordinate our blues instead of just hoping they do what we want while mafia probe people in the thread to figure out who to kill. At the end of the day yesterday, I just thought Incognito had a bad case of Pyrrhuloxitis and wasn't really mafia, since to me some of his arguments against Kav were lol. So I didn't change my vote off of him until the end, but I lost track of time because I was watching proleague. Shit happens. Now I'm not sure what to think anymore. At the very least, Incog's attitude does not help the town in the current situation so I will still be voting him unless new information surfaces. And frankly, I doubt anything new will come up. If the vote checker checks some list (as planned) would you have them claim the results even if they aren't damning? We all know mafia spread out votes as much as possible, so they will probably get a 1/5 people are mafia in one of the lists. Well big freaking deal since we got a 1/5 chance of randomly killing a mafia with a lynch anyways. I fail to see how vote checking is going to get us anywhere tomorrow. This game has lots of good players, mafia aren't going to be stupid and lose because of a vote check. If nobody else is going to try to do some normal, mafia analysis, we might as well just throw in the towel now. These vote checks which are going to return 1/5 are mafia aren't going to help anything until day 4 when we get a bunch more vote checks to properly nab the mafia. Game will probably be close to over by then. Ace, you are the one who said we didn't have much to talk about, and already had the max (or close to max) amount of information we could possibly get from day 1 prodding. I don't even expect you to still be reading this post. But if you want to sit around with your gun and let people like Radfield and Incognito mess up the town that's your deal. I got better things to do. On May 19 2011 12:41 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 12:29 Incognito wrote:On May 19 2011 12:21 Foolishness wrote:On May 19 2011 12:17 Incognito wrote:On May 19 2011 12:05 Foolishness wrote:
At the end of the day yesterday, I just thought Incognito had a bad case of Pyrrhuloxitis and wasn't really mafia, since to me some of his arguments against Kav were lol. So I didn't change my vote off of him until the end, but I lost track of time because I was watching proleague. Shit happens. Now I'm not sure what to think anymore. At the very least, Incog's attitude does not help the town in the current situation so I will still be voting him unless new information surfaces.
And frankly, I doubt anything new will come up. If the vote checker checks some list (as planned) would you have them claim the results even if they aren't damning? We all know mafia spread out votes as much as possible, so they will probably get a 1/5 people are mafia in one of the lists. Well big freaking deal since we got a 1/5 chance of randomly killing a mafia with a lynch anyways. I fail to see how vote checking is going to get us anywhere tomorrow. This game has lots of good players, mafia aren't going to be stupid and lose because of a vote check.
If nobody else is going to try to do some normal, mafia analysis, we might as well just throw in the towel now. These vote checks which are going to return 1/5 are mafia aren't going to help anything until day 4 when we get a bunch more vote checks to properly nab the mafia. Game will probably be close to over by then. So what you're trying to say, is that you will be voting me, even though mafia were uninvolved in the lynch and probably spread out their votes, which wouldn't happen unless I'm town. Congratz. I, on the other hand, think we will find out some good information tonight. I also like how you haven't given any analysis. Congratz again. When will people stop being afraid of looking stupid and actually do something? And you've got loads of analysis Mr "let's wait for blues to win us the game"? Yes I do, but if nobody cares about this game, I won't bother. See, I can play this game too! This is why I want you dead. If I came across like I didn't care about the game then my bad, but you're the one who hurt the town yesterday with your bandwagon on Kav. You're the one that needs to prove that you are useful to the town alive rather than dead (and before you say I'm useless this is about you, not me). Repeatedly telling everyone "don't worry guys...vote checks and blues gonna win this for us" is not proving yourself useful; I don't care what nice role you may have picked up in the draft. On May 19 2011 13:57 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 13:55 Fishball wrote:On May 19 2011 13:47 flamewheel wrote:On May 19 2011 13:43 Foolishness wrote:
if copycat is in the mafia hands, as everyone expects, they aren't going to claim Duh. I'm saying if the copycat is town he needs to claim. If not and inventions still flow, then it's just one more piece of the puzzle that becomes known. Not necessarily. If the Copy Cat is Town and claims, unless we're going to devote our resources and protect him 24/7, he would likely die. To be honest, I don't have a solid solution for this either, but just throwing it out there. We're probably better off just waiting until tomorrow and seeing if another invention comes up. If the copycat is in the town's hands, he can just make a name that's really pro town (e.g. vote check kit) to let us know. On May 19 2011 13:43 Foolishness wrote:
if copycat is in the mafia hands, as everyone expects, they aren't going to claim On May 19 2011 13:57 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 13:55 Fishball wrote:On May 19 2011 13:47 flamewheel wrote:On May 19 2011 13:43 Foolishness wrote:
if copycat is in the mafia hands, as everyone expects, they aren't going to claim Duh. I'm saying if the copycat is town he needs to claim. If not and inventions still flow, then it's just one more piece of the puzzle that becomes known. Not necessarily. If the Copy Cat is Town and claims, unless we're going to devote our resources and protect him 24/7, he would likely die. To be honest, I don't have a solid solution for this either, but just throwing it out there. We're probably better off just waiting until tomorrow and seeing if another invention comes up. If the copycat is in the town's hands, he can just make a name that's really pro town (e.g. vote check kit) to let us know. On May 19 2011 14:19 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 14:11 chaoser wrote:On May 19 2011 13:57 Foolishness wrote:On May 19 2011 13:55 Fishball wrote:On May 19 2011 13:47 flamewheel wrote:On May 19 2011 13:43 Foolishness wrote:
if copycat is in the mafia hands, as everyone expects, they aren't going to claim Duh. I'm saying if the copycat is town he needs to claim. If not and inventions still flow, then it's just one more piece of the puzzle that becomes known. Not necessarily. If the Copy Cat is Town and claims, unless we're going to devote our resources and protect him 24/7, he would likely die. To be honest, I don't have a solid solution for this either, but just throwing it out there. We're probably better off just waiting until tomorrow and seeing if another invention comes up. If the copycat is in the town's hands, he can just make a name that's really pro town (e.g. vote check kit) to let us know. That doesn't mean anything though. They could be mafia, name something the vote check kit and actually it checks votes for blues or specific roles and such. Copycat should straight up claim if he's town since mafia killed Inventor, meaning they didn't get the Thief role so they can't steal it again from the CC. I say CC/Inventor claims, builds something we tell him to, and then we decide whether we want to protect them or not depending on who they are. Mafia is forced into a WIFOM situation and even if they do shoot inventor, it's fine since we shouldn't be relying on the inventor anyway. His invention names can always lead to ambiguous situations and we would end up discussing them too much and lose sight of scum hunting. I'm also interested in Radfield's Non-Vote Rigger Pick. @Mr. Wiggles....so if there's a politician they can just buy your lynch now? We could make it even more obvious then "vote check kit for finding mafia only". Or something. You raise a valid point but I think the copycat should remain hidden if they are town. If mafia can't get KP to go through they probably won't be able to survive long. If inventor fell into mafia's hands they will be inventing things that would only help them (i.e. here's a gun you must shoot or something). Of course your argument still applies here as well. I don't know. On May 16 2011 07:51 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 07:44 Foolishness wrote:On May 16 2011 07:36 deconduo wrote:
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I have to say, Traitor, VI, Journalist, Puppeteer look like awesome picks. Don't hate me. I'll hate you for the Traitor  I already claimed my pick earlier: 1,1 After what happened in PYP3, I don't think I'd risk traitor. I wonder what happens if a mole picks traitor lol.
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Canada2720 Posts
Hi Ace Just sleeping like every night.
It should have been apparant from the way I was posting in thread that I didn't take VR, but given how much your pushing, I'll assume you actually did check me last night. Here's the thing, if you know my role, which I assume you do, you shouldn't even need to question me. You should be saying " ahhhh, I see, I understand certain things now". You get what I'm saying?
Yes, I didn't take vote-rigger, and that was a risk if mafia went for it below me(and then rigged the votes; obviously I would get held accountable).
hmm, originally I was going to say more here Ace(and Fishball), but have edited most of it out. Lets be smart.
On May 19 2011 13:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
And guys, I'd just like to let you all know I'm king today too. :p
Ver, does the politician have to post in the thread with their ##nuke or ##lynch target? I've been assuming this is the case, but now i'm not so sure.
I think this guarantees us a politician. A kingmaker on it's own it at worst a nuisance for town, at best a useful double lynch. Combined with a politician it is massively nasty. There is no way mafia would take Kingmaker without a politician, and no way a townie kingmaker would make Mr. Wiggles the king. Do people disagree with this hypothesis?
Mr. Wiggles, I'd like for you to cast your vote right now for KillerSOS. If you do not, I think we will almost certainly lose a pro-town player to the politician. From my understanding, the king lynch operates like a dayvig, so if you use your power now, it's gone and there is nothing for the politician to use. If people want to call me scummy on this, that's fine, but it's the smart play.
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Radfield the politician works via PM*s:
Politician
As a person used to getting your way by any means necessary you may PM me during the day to buy a player's vote(...) Also, if you buy the King's vote, you will have his lynch as well.
At this point KillerSOS have still not given an opinion on anyone in the thread, and he avoided the thread when he voted yesterday. In the other game he posted way more day 1, as vigilante.
As such he would be a good choice for a forced day vig.
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Canada2720 Posts
After looking through Mafia XXVII(the RoL version). OriginalName was active, contributory and actively engaged in discussing pretty much most topics. This game: inactive, disruptive and barely touches on anything.
Originalname, it would be nice to see you pick up the pace. From a brief look, your town play was fairly solid in XXVII, at least enough to draw a hit night 2. It would be nice to see you contribute to the discussion in this game as well.
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I agree with rad that wiggles should probably kill someone soon. Don't think wiggles is scum, so I'd say use your best judgement wiggies! (CHAOSER)
Read Infy's analysis on incognito, im not really sold yet. Incog told me things I didn't know. I feel that indicates him as town more then not. He is being extremely wishy-washy with his voting, but I've been ignoring that I suppose. Don't really know how he plays, I just hear he's good. He helped at first but lately with picking candidates and stating reasons we haven't been on the same page.
And Ace seems like obvious town at this point. He's a rolechecker, and all the roles I went through with that are just way too pro-town, and for him not to be a rolechecker, both he and rad would have to be scum. That said, protect Ace!
I'm very curious as to what rad is since he isnt voterigger. AGENDA MUCH?
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United States22154 Posts
Is it morning already? Cool.
Ok, its time to bag some mafia, I'm the Mafia II Detective and I vote checked the Kav wagon. There were 2 mafia voting for Kavdragon yesterday, which means that out of 6 voters
KAVDRAGON (6): , GMarshal, Caller, Incognito, Chezinu, Node, flamewheel
two are scum and the rest are town or cleverly disguised mafia. I know I'm town, which means we should lynch into one of these five today: Caller, Incognito, Chezinu, Node, flamewheel. If there were any alignment checks in there then we can narrow the lynch even more.
I'd ask we keep all discussion and votes focused on these five candidates, and if wiggles would be so kind we can lynch Chezinu and only have four people to worry about, some of which we can actually analyze
Also if there are any medics in play, a protect would be *really* nice tonight
That is all. Carry on.
(also apologies for vanishing last night, computer issues + craptone of work = no time for mafia)
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Hmm, if you are telling the truth I would say Node + GMarshal town. FW + maybe incog as mafia?
##Vote Flamewheel
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Very interesting, GMarshal. While nothing shouldn't be taken with a grain of salt, since it doesn't do us any good to endlessly bicker over things and conditions that potentially might not even exist, I'll treat your statement as true for now.
I'm hoping somebody procured a role or alignment check on somebody in this list. Logically, since Caller and I were at the top of the draft pick, obfuscating circumstances aside I'd like to think that at least one of us was checked. I currently don't pick up any Mafia signals from Caller (I do want to know what his role is though), and in light of recent events, with recent events being the attack on me and the subsequent clue, I've been able to greatly limit the number of potential murderers.
I've already stated that the clue first comes from profile information, and if that is not available, the username. Through questioning Ver, I know definitively that if it was indeed a collective Mafia shot used on me, then the clue pertains to a randomly generated member of the Mafia--any member. It just so happens that out of the list of people voting for Kavdragon, there is one match to my list of suspects generated from the clue. Naturally, there are six potential people from which to choose if I indeed the target of the collective Mafia and not one of their individualized KP roles. All I'm saying is that the overlap, while coincidental, still bolsters my confidence in who I am going to shoot tonight.
Of course, neither BloodyC0bbler nor myself professes to be the best clue analyst, and given that Ver definitely wouldn't have given me something too easy to work with, it's still a tough clue and probably isn't very direct. After mulling over everything for a decent number of hours, here's the clue.
Peyton Hillis upset Aaron Rodgers and many others to make it to the Madden 12 cover.
Given the situation right now, I will not be listing my suspects derived from the clue.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Ah, forgot to add something to the last post. Radfield, I think you should claim your role. Through what he (Ace) has said, Ace's role should be totally known now.
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On May 19 2011 20:24 bumatlarge wrote:
I agree with rad that wiggles should probably kill someone soon. Don't think wiggles is scum, so I'd say use your best judgement wiggies! (CHAOSER)
Read Infy's analysis on incognito, im not really sold yet. Incog told me things I didn't know. I feel that indicates him as town more then not. He is being extremely wishy-washy with his voting, but I've been ignoring that I suppose. Don't really know how he plays, I just hear he's good. He helped at first but lately with picking candidates and stating reasons we haven't been on the same page.
And Ace seems like obvious town at this point. He's a rolechecker, and all the roles I went through with that are just way too pro-town, and for him not to be a rolechecker, both he and rad would have to be scum. That said, protect Ace!
I'm very curious as to what rad is since he isnt voterigger. AGENDA MUCH?
I think rad is probably a townie role, and a sensitive one that Ace doesn't want to reveal... If it was a scummy role, Ace would have just announced it in thread, but instead he's keeping it a secret until rad posts. I think hes trying to prompt rad to claim.
I don't know though, I don't understand Ace's play very well. :/
Regarding IF: I think IF is pretty obviously town but as I mentioned earlier I don't think incog is mafia at all. Incog has put himself into the spotlight very early with the hope of leading town, which people naturally find suspicious (look what happened to kavdragon). Maybe a scum incog could get away with this in a less stacked game, but we have no less than four high profile vetrans who have all played with each other multiple times, and that sort of buisness isn't going to work here.
Now, I was very suspicious of Node previously but his analysis of foolishness I agree with. Did anyone check node? If Node is green I'd bet the farm that foolishness is scum. I still think foolishness is scum but I don't think Node would bus him at this point unless they knew that he'd been checked, which they would have no way of knowing if they don't have a watcher, which is a stupid role for scum to take anyway.
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oh, and if theres a dirty cop present... I'm paying him 150$ to reveal himself, right now.
+ Show Spoiler +I don't have the dough, if someone could lend me 150 bucks i'd be much obliged
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Of course. Matters considered included voting, being on covers, defeating many opponents, and a few more miscellaneous items.
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On May 19 2011 22:41 flamewheel wrote:Of course. Matters considered included voting, being on covers, defeating many opponents, and a few more miscellaneous items.
I'll have a go at it, but I no nothing about american football 
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On May 19 2011 20:24 bumatlarge wrote:
I agree with rad that wiggles should probably kill someone soon. Don't think wiggles is scum, so I'd say use your best judgement wiggies! (CHAOSER)
Read Infy's analysis on incognito, im not really sold yet. Incog told me things I didn't know. I feel that indicates him as town more then not. He is being extremely wishy-washy with his voting, but I've been ignoring that I suppose. Don't really know how he plays, I just hear he's good. He helped at first but lately with picking candidates and stating reasons we haven't been on the same page.
And Ace seems like obvious town at this point. He's a rolechecker, and all the roles I went through with that are just way too pro-town, and for him not to be a rolechecker, both he and rad would have to be scum. That said, protect Ace!
I'm very curious as to what rad is since he isnt voterigger. AGENDA MUCH?
I thought me and Ace made it pretty obvious.
On May 19 2011 22:04 GMarshal wrote:
Ok, its time to bag some mafia, I'm the Mafia II Detective and I vote checked the Kav wagon. There were 2 mafia voting for Kavdragon yesterday, which means that out of 6 voters
KAVDRAGON (6): , GMarshal, Caller, Incognito, Chezinu, Node, flamewheel
It's funny that 2 of my suspects I gave to BC are on that list as well.
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