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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On May 20 2011 18:16 Incognito wrote: My confidence on Chaoser being red is 95%. Not like you'll trust me anymore, but just sayin' Wait so why am I mafia again? Because I was inactive? You know, coag threw out numbers on why he thought I was mafia in toy factory mafia and never gave real reasons either. I ended up flipping green. Both you and bum have been doing that as well this game; I haven't seen a single analysis post on me from anyone. I was busy at the start of the game and tried to pressure GM like I did to Irish in XXXIX. He overreacted a bit and then explained himself well so I backed off. Now that I've caught up a decent amount I decide to write a big post on foolishness to pressure him because yes his posting IS weird and I get hit with the "you are scum" bat? Yeah the post was sudden but that's only cause I've finally read enough to have an informed opinion on what I'm writing about. How is that scummy? Until someone writes up a real piece of analysis against me I'm going to be sending my time looking at others. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On May 20 2011 18:03 Incognito wrote: Instead of discussing "if I flip red" or "if I flip green", can you at least TRY to analyze what I am? I mean, its not that difficult. Even though I made my point as clear as possible, you still don't seem to get it. I only listed the steps the town should take, if they are going to lynch you. What your alignment is not directly relevant. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
The problem with the incog bandwagon since day 1 has been noone really took responsability for it. It has been several weak votes votes that simply met little resistance. Yesterday i kept hoping for ace or foolishness to point out what exactly it was that deemed incog mafia, but they never did. Both of them also switched votes (or in foolishness' case tried) near the end indicating a nowhere near strong case. Today it has been more of the same, with suspicious people like chaoser simply requesting that we stuck to discussing the same targets as yesterday. When incog claims america he is met with an attitude of "you knew you where gonna be suspicious, so you picked the most obvious role no mafia would pick to fool us. Calling your bluff!", which is obviously a bs WIFOM argument. Do you really think that not one of his buddies would support his claim if he was really mafia? feels like im the only one here pointing out the simplest explanation: he really is town, and he picked a role no sane mafia would pick. My opinion is: we hit mafia with chezinu. There is one scum left between incog, flamewheel, node and caller. Im leaning towards flamewheel being it, but it is by no means a strong reason. So instead we should hit the most obvious scum: killerSOS or chaoser. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On May 21 2011 00:28 Barundar wrote: My opinion is: we hit mafia with chezinu. At work and I don't have much time to reply in detail to you guys, but this sentence just made no sense whatsoever. It's like saying, "Let's hit Town with Fishball". | ||
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
On May 21 2011 00:28 Barundar wrote: I agree with tnkted on incog's reaction being very town, and when i read through incog's reads they seem fair and well reasoned. The problem with the incog bandwagon since day 1 has been noone really took responsability for it. It has been several weak votes votes that simply met little resistance. Yesterday i kept hoping for ace or foolishness to point out what exactly it was that deemed incog mafia, but they never did. Both of them also switched votes (or in foolishness' case tried) near the end indicating a nowhere near strong case. Today it has been more of the same, with suspicious people like chaoser simply requesting that we stuck to discussing the same targets as yesterday. When incog claims america he is met with an attitude of "you knew you where gonna be suspicious, so you picked the most obvious role no mafia would pick to fool us. Calling your bluff!", which is obviously a bs WIFOM argument. Do you really think that not one of his buddies would support his claim if he was really mafia? feels like im the only one here pointing out the simplest explanation: he really is town, and he picked a role no sane mafia would pick. My opinion is: we hit mafia with chezinu. There is one scum left between incog, flamewheel, node and caller. Im leaning towards flamewheel being it, but it is by no means a strong reason. So instead we should hit the most obvious scum: killerSOS or chaoser. The calling your bluff post was actually me. Heh. Incog's nuke of chezinu was scummy as hell at the time, so I figured he was trying to direct attention away from him, attention that until that point I had thought was probably undeserved. I expected chezinu to step up and be a man, and start posting scumlists before the buzzer. Instead, he just disappeared and made troll posts; clear mafia signs. There was no reason for incog to reveal himself as america in order to kill chezinu, who is clearly scum at this point. If he wanted to bus chez he could have just pushed for a lynch or told his scumbuddy to say something incriminating. The fact that he resorted to nukes is a sign of innocence. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
So where does that leave us? It means that unless a strong majority has a solid read on Caller, flame or Node, we take our lynch elsewhere and start offing the rest of the mafia. The Kavdragon list isn't going anywhere, and obviously our investigative roles will narrow down the search somewhat. Consider that the mafia will not be firing into the Kav lynch list, given that each kill would narrow down our suspect list. Those players are safe from mafia, so lets not do their job for them by firing indiscriminately. So what am I really advocating then? That we play this normal and try to lynch the scummiest player around. Yes, many think that's incog, and if most people think he's scum then I'm not going to waste the day trying to defend him. Instead I think we should direct our votes towards Chaoser, who strikes me as very clearly scum. I don't have time right now to build a case to his liking, but his posts(and actions) fairly speak for themselves. If there is still a need or an option for me to build a case against him tonight, I will. ##Kinglynch: chaoser Plenty of other suspects around for our regular lynch. Originalname is a great choice(albeit an easy/safe one), but there are a few other decent choices as well. ##Vote Originalname | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
On May 21 2011 00:40 Fishball wrote: At work and I don't have much time to reply in detail to you guys, but this sentence just made no sense whatsoever. It's like saying, "Let's hit Town with Fishball". At the fear of feeling the wrath of Ver, i have to say "poor town". I guess i could correct it to "my opinion is chezinu was/is mafia depending on the state of existance you're in when a nuke is heading your way." | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
due to a variety of circumstances I've been away from the game. I've seen that we have a nice votelist and I'm curious why we're not using it to get two free kills and potentially secure the rest of the list. You should always clear the list. Always. That's why I suggest doing the following: We have Flamewheel (whom I'm pretty sure is town, with his past behavior, with him being shot and all(which I think makes sense given how there was only one death last night)), GMarshal (whom could be a tricky bastard, but I haven't seen his play style enough), Me, Node, Incognito, and Chezinu. Two of us are mafia. Best thing to do is to kill two people on that list. My commitment timewise has gotten lower than I would've liked, so I volunteer to have myself killed so you guys have more certainty on the rest of those people. Lynch me, or, given the time limit, it might be easier just to have Wiggles shoot me. Then you can kill Node or Incognito (personally, I suspect Incog more than Node, even with the nuke, as I smell a desperation bus) and we have a situation where we will know 100% if GMarshal is telling the truth or not. I see no reason for him to lie about there being more mafia on the list, so clearly if neither Incog/Node nor Chez is mafia then GMarshal should be killed tonight. If one of them is mafia, though, then you kill the other person. Two mafia easy, and makes whoever's still alive as safe townies. By getting rid of me we remove the uncertainty. Don't worry about losing my role, it's not a big deal to lose. TLDR: Kill Me, Kill Incog or Node. Might be easier just to have me king shot at this rate of voting, but whichever. Clears up list entirely. If neither Incog nor Chez are mafia, kill GMarshal tonight/tomorrow. Else, kill the other of Incog or Node that hasn't been killed yet. Either way, rest of list becomes clear and should be saturated with medic protection. And well if anybody is lying about their role you kill em. Lynch All Liars and all. Don't forget. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
1) We aren't killing people because they are on a list, we kill them because we think they are mafia. Everything else is a stupid waste of town KP. 2) We don't kill Ace just because he annoys Incognito. See above. 3) Veterans aren't going to win the game alone, this is not you vs. the world. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On May 21 2011 02:21 Barundar wrote: Am I the only one annoyed at how full of themselves some of the veterans are? Caller asks to be killed because he doesn't have time to play, when there is a bunch of substitutes ready. Incognito thinks we should kill Ace even though he thinks Ace is town, after Incognito himself is dead. Foolishness and Ace has been gunning for Incognito all game long. And both Caller and Incognito thinks Flamewheel will somehow win for the town after they are dead. 1) We aren't killing people because they are on a list, we kill them because we think they are mafia. Everything else is a stupid waste of town KP. 2) We don't kill Ace just because he annoys Incognito. See above. 3) Veterans aren't going to win the game alone, this is not you vs. the world. Not all of them are hug-gable teddy bears like me. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
I still think Incognito is the other Scum. I've already said it but I guess people expect some giant post which I won't do. It's very simple. Incognito has a role that was discussed earlier as a role a townie shouldn't have, and now he says "oh but Scum wouldn't be caught with this role, so it means I have to be town!" - um no. As I've always said Scum will do whatever they think furthers their win condition. If it means picking a role that shows up as Obvious Scum but they can WIFOM you to death and get away with it - they'll always pick it. Secondly this is just too convenient. Like I said he immediately launched the nuke at Chezinu with barely any discussion about it. No one save dreamflower ever even brought up a case about him and then all of a sudden it's a "pro-town move to nuke Chezinu". Come on people read the thread because this is bad play at it's finest. If he really is pro-town then why didn't he wait for input from anyone else or even discuss the other suspects? As for this lets lynch chaoser train it's the same thing as the Barundar train from yesterday. Shoddy reasoning and people not reading just going for the random lynch. Where is the analysis that chaoser is Scum? | ||
Ver
United States2186 Posts
Does being framed affect what you appear to the Mafia 2 Detective's list checks Yes. He could make an innocent appear as mafia or a mafia appear innocent on it. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On May 21 2011 03:11 Ace wrote: No one save dreamflower ever even brought up a case about him and then all of a sudden it's a "pro-town move to nuke Chezinu". Regardless of what Chezinu flips, I was first to accuse him! Although I didn't really slap a case on him. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
On May 21 2011 03:11 Ace wrote: Well Chezinu is the obvious Scum for sure. He didn't even attempt to defend himself so that's 1 down. I still think Incognito is the other Scum. I've already said it but I guess people expect some giant post which I won't do. It's very simple. Incognito has a role that was discussed earlier as a role a townie shouldn't have, and now he says "oh but Scum wouldn't be caught with this role, so it means I have to be town!" - um no. As I've always said Scum will do whatever they think furthers their win condition. If it means picking a role that shows up as Obvious Scum but they can WIFOM you to death and get away with it - they'll always pick it. Secondly this is just too convenient. Like I said he immediately launched the nuke at Chezinu with barely any discussion about it. No one save dreamflower ever even brought up a case about him and then all of a sudden it's a "pro-town move to nuke Chezinu". Come on people read the thread because this is bad play at it's finest. If he really is pro-town then why didn't he wait for input from anyone else or even discuss the other suspects? As for this lets lynch chaoser train it's the same thing as the Barundar train from yesterday. Shoddy reasoning and people not reading just going for the random lynch. Where is the analysis that chaoser is Scum? Ace I can't help but feel that whatever Incognito does gets dubed scum. Even killing mafia. Doesn't it bother you that foolishness is passively placing his vote on incognito, but letting you carry the whole weight of pushing it? That's really not like foolishness town play in mafia 37. Look at this pretty long post where he actually gives some opinions: + Show Spoiler + On May 20 2011 12:21 Foolishness wrote: I didn't ask about Incognito, I asked about the 2/5 people we know are mafia. I don't really care what you think of Incognito at the moment, but doesn't mean you can't say anything about the other 4 people on that list. I'm not going to need to start busting out percentage numbers to show you that we have a better chance of hitting mafia in that list than the rest of players am I? Why you want to ignore the information that's right in front of us? Yeah I'll admit I'm really bored this game but bypassing obvious facts because you think I'm mafia is either a desperate attempt of you to save your mafia buddies or you just haven't read the thread (the other option is you're stupid, but we both know that ain't true). It's also convenient because you're the third (maybe fourth) person to put suspicion on me. So maybe you figure "well shit half my mafia team might be dead by end of day...a few people seem to think Foolishness is mafia maybe I can distract the town and try to get him lynched". Caller, Incognito, Chezinu, Node, flamewheel. 2/5 are mafia. Surely you have some sort of idea of who they are yes? Obviously my thoughts are out in the open already. In fact you've been awfully quiet about this issue, instead saying things like, "GMarshal's claim isn't 100% reliable" (even though GMarshsal's attitude day 1 totally indicated he was a DT of some sort) and saying today's lynch boils down to Ace vs Incognito (which is lol?). Fine, want to hold your thoughts about that because you're not sure? How about that both Radfield and Incognito went against the "town consensus" (I put that in quotes for lack of better term) and did not pick the roles they were supposed to. I remember multiple people saying yesterday that if anyone was found with one of these roles we should kill them asap (especially something like America). Moreover there is a kingmaker this game. I find it reasonable that mafia has the journalist and/or politician in their hands. What if 4 mafia members grabbed: politician, journalist, kingmaker, America? Great combo if you ask me; town has no idea whether their day kills are going to be altered or not. Mafia sit back and laugh. Need I also remind you Radfield is the one that made Scamp claim he was inventor in the thread. That's a pro-town thing to do right? We need to find and kill the 2 mafia in that list. Hopefully Chez actually dies to speed up the process, although I wouldn't be surprised if a random person died instead. After those 2 mafia are dead I'm gunning for Radfield until he provides a better explanation of why he hasn't been playing with the town's interest. But if you want to overlook all this information to try to get me lynched I'm just going to laugh. Once the 2 mafia in the list are dead I will gladly encourage you to repost your accusations against me (and I will gladly respond), but for now you're just distracting the town, which is exactly what the mafia want. His post is mainly focused on killing the people on the list, no real argumentation back and forth regarding them. Instead he puts doubt on Radfield for not following his plan, but foolishness himself argued heavily against following the plan: + Show Spoiler + People are going to pick whatever they want to pick. I'm not opposed to general guidelines, such as town should focus on DT related roles or survival roles, whatever, but assigning roles to the top 5 players is just silly. If you are going to go that route, we should have everyone claim as soon as the picks are out. Either everyone should claim or no one should claim (that includes assigning roles before the picks). Nothing in between. [QUOTE]On May 16 2011 09:55 Foolishness wrote:[QUOTE]On May 16 2011 09:48 Radfield wrote: [QUOTE]On May 16 2011 09:01 Foolishness wrote: These plans for the top 5-8 players to pick roles is retarded in it's current form. If flamewheel/Caller/whoever don't agree to take their designated role (assuming we have a consensus on what roles they should take) we need to lynch them, no questions asked. What's to stop Scamp for all of a sudden posting "hey guys, I'm going to take Hero or Assassin (or whatever role he might want) sorry"? Are you just going to shift down the important role list even further? Yawn. Waste of time. People are going to pick whatever they want to pick. I'm not opposed to general guidelines, such as town should focus on DT related roles or survival roles, whatever, but assigning roles to the top 5 players is just silly. If you are going to go that route, we should have everyone claim as soon as the picks are out. Either everyone should claim or no one should claim (that includes assigning roles before the picks). Nothing in between.[/QUOTE] Foolishness' argumentation doesn't hold up. I feel like you are being used to keep up a town vs town fight. What is your opinion of KillerSOS? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Besides IF Foolishness is Scum then why go after him right now? This list of suspects with 2/6 being mafia has to be cleared up first. As for KillerSOS I don't have a major opinion about him as I've pretty much only concentrated on a few sets of people so far. I understand the argument about him is that he's been useless or inactive. If thats the case well thats why we have a King Maker ^_^ | ||
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