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Al Bundy
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On May 16 2011 13:44 AlBundy wrote: It's really simple: if you'd regularly follow the scene, you'd KNEW that Sen was actually favorite in this particular matchup in this particular tournament. I mean, sure it takes a lot of time to watch tournaments, players' streams, and shows such as State of the Game, etc. but the information was there. Statistically idra was the favorite (going in with a 100% head to head win rate), by the dictionary definition he was the favorite although some people who are commentating say sen was the favorite sure, but the vast majority favored idra as is shown in the votes, and Gretorp stated at one point that idra was a favorite (I believe it was during the first game. But if you want to stick to your opinion that sen was the favorite than be my guest. I am all for that opinion as a Sen fan, but fact of the matter is idra was the slight favorite going into the game. | ||
vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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Azurues
Malaysia5612 Posts
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Gezuz
Sweden306 Posts
On May 16 2011 13:41 d(O.o)a wrote: irrelevant data? http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/gosubet/96368 Gosubet agrees, nobody has posted any PROOF that sen was a favorite, only made statements that he was. ok truly my last post in this as i have to go to work in 5 minutes. What im saying is that there was no favorite and no upset in this match period and theres not enough recent statistics to show otherwise specialy with ZvZ being such a fragile matchup you cant use any kind of fanvotes or very small amount of beting people as proof simply because idra is so well known that most people will vote or bet for him no matter who he faces thats it no true favorite no true upset end of story gg no re and you need to learn on catching some of the sarcrastic/ironic comments as it can make you look rather silly if you dont | ||
JKira
Canada1002 Posts
On May 16 2011 13:48 d(O.o)a wrote: Statistically idra was the favorite (going in with a 100% head to head win rate), by the dictionary definition he was the favorite although some people who are commentating say sen was the favorite sure, but the vast majority favored idra as is shown in the votes, and Gretorp stated at one point that idra was a favorite (I believe it was during the first game. But if you want to stick to your opinion that sen was the favorite than be my guest. I am all for that opinion as a Sen fan, but fact of the matter is idra was the slight favorite going into the game. For the love of god stop relying on statistics so much, ESPECIALLY when the stat you keep referring to (the head to head) is made up of ONE game. | ||
Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
Every time IdrA plays a Zerg he tells some interviewer that ZvZ is (like in BW, if you are not Jaedong) a Coinflip! Well the Coin flipped the other side this time! | ||
Techno
1900 Posts
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On May 16 2011 13:53 Techno wrote: + Show Spoiler [TSL Grand Final] + I don't understand how Thorzain did it. I lose every fucking TvP I play. EDIT: Wrong thread please spoiler it too. On May 16 2011 13:52 JKira wrote: For the love of god stop relying on statistics so much, ESPECIALLY when the stat you keep referring to (the head to head) is made up of ONE game. One game is one game, it's all we have to use as evidence and that evidence points towards idra. (not counting the bets) The entire argument against idra being the favorite is based off of hearsay and personal opinions, by the dictionary definition and by statistics idra was the favorite. And by that fact alone it was an upset, people have the OPINION that an upset is only if it's a blowout of a hugely favored player but once again refering to a dictionary definition: up·set (p-st) v. up·set, up·set·ting, up·sets v.tr. 1. To cause to turn or tip over; capsize. 2. To disturb the functioning, order, or course of: Protesters upset the meeting by chanting and shouting. 3. To distress or perturb mentally or emotionally: The bad news upset me. 4. To overthrow; overturn: upset a will. See Synonyms at overthrow. 5. (pst) To defeat unexpectedly (an opponent favored to win). 6. To make (a heated metal bolt, for example) shorter and thicker by hammering on the end. idra was upset. For the love of god stop relying on your own opinion so much and accept that MAYBE just MAYBE you're wrong. (It's really not that hard, you should try it some time.) | ||
JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
both these players have expressed that they consider the other to be very good. | ||
koolaid1990
831 Posts
Before Idra went into this game, he claimed that Sen is an absolute beast and there is a good chance that it can go either way. Its simply because Sen is good. | ||
Al Bundy
7257 Posts
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Alphaes
United States651 Posts
On May 16 2011 13:56 d(O.o)a wrote: please spoiler it too. One game is one game, it's all we have to use as evidence and that evidence points towards idra. (not counting the bets) The entire argument against idra being the favorite is based off of hearsay and personal opinions, by the dictionary definition and by statistics idra was the favorite. And by that fact alone it was an upset, people have the OPINION that an upset is only if it's a blowout of a hugely favored player but once again refering to a dictionary definition: up·set (p-st) v. up·set, up·set·ting, up·sets v.tr. 1. To cause to turn or tip over; capsize. 2. To disturb the functioning, order, or course of: Protesters upset the meeting by chanting and shouting. 3. To distress or perturb mentally or emotionally: The bad news upset me. 4. To overthrow; overturn: upset a will. See Synonyms at overthrow. 5. (pst) To defeat unexpectedly (an opponent favored to win). 6. To make (a heated metal bolt, for example) shorter and thicker by hammering on the end. idra was upset. For the love of god stop relying on your own opinion so much and accept that MAYBE just MAYBE you're wrong. (It's really not that hard, you should try it some time.) I think you should accept things aren't black and white as you might like them to be. Saves yourself the effort of arguing over such inane semantics. | ||
d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On May 16 2011 14:02 AlBundy wrote: Wow I was just about to post about how to predict sports results but I see that you just love to argue about semantics, nevermind have a nice day. Hopefully your statistics and dictionnary definitions will be helpful in the future. Why would I care about your tips on how to predict sports results? I know that in reality sen had a good chance of winning but technically Idra was the favorite, my comments were simply stating that when a favorite of no matter what caliber is beat they have been upset, yet people seemed to take it to mean that I expected idra to win. As I said earlier: On May 16 2011 13:07 d(O.o)a wrote: I said he's definitely the favorite, not the favorite by a long shot, if you have 21 apples and somebody else has 20 apples, you definitely have more apples but you don't have way more apples. Also as for your comment about blind fanboyism, I'm a sen fan more than an idra fan I simply like to argue over semantics. | ||
Mycl
Australia1370 Posts
On May 16 2011 14:01 koolaid1990 wrote: Idra Claimed ZVZ is his best matchup. Before Idra went into this game, he claimed that Sen is an absolute beast and there is a good chance that it can go either way. Its simply because Sen is good. Last SOTG I think it was Idra stated that his best match up at the moment is ZvT. His results for the last month or so has definitely backed that up that. | ||
Hollis
United States505 Posts
On May 16 2011 13:48 d(O.o)a wrote:Gretorp stated Not to pee on your parade but Grederp isn't exactly the most credible source of information. Also, Boxer made nukes and BCs, why aren't people holding hands and singing? | ||
d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On May 16 2011 14:13 Hollis wrote: Not to pee on your parade but Grederp isn't exactly the most credible source of information. Also, Boxer made nukes and BCs, why aren't people holding hands and singing? I never said he was, he IS however more reliable than these two randoms. Also I agree on the second part, I got carried away in my fun, hurrah for boxer I was loving those games something fierce, extremely enjoyable to watch, today was a GREAT day for SC2! | ||
elementz
United States281 Posts
On May 16 2011 14:13 Hollis wrote: Not to pee on your parade but Grederp isn't exactly the most credible source of information. Also, Boxer made nukes and BCs, why aren't people holding hands and singing? Agree with second statement so much. | ||
FLuE
United States1012 Posts
I never said he was, he IS however more reliable than these two randoms. Dude stop ruining the thread arguing over something so stupid. And just because your pissing me off, there is no way Idra was the favorite in this. Idra had hardly practiced going into the match-up while Sen has been practicing on Korean server. Most consider Sen the best Foreign Zerg ATM, although Idra has been playing very good lately. Those 2 alone either put it at a relatively even match, or Sen as a slight favorite. Me personally, if you asked me before the match I'd have picked Sen to win, and considered him the "favorite" for whatever it is worth simply because Sen is a beast and Idra seemed unconfident going in due to the lack of practice and his time spent casting this week. Can we move on? | ||
d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On May 16 2011 14:20 FLuE wrote: Dude stop ruining the thread arguing over something so stupid. And just because your pissing me off, there is no way Idra was the favorite in this. Idra had hardly practiced going into the match-up while Sen has been practicing on Korean server. Most consider Sen the best Foreign Zerg ATM, although Idra has been playing very good lately. Those 2 alone either put it at a relatively even match, or Sen as a slight favorite. Me personally, if you asked me before the match I'd have picked Sen to win, and considered him the "favorite" for whatever it is worth simply because Sen is a beast and Idra seemed unconfident going in due to the lack of practice and his time spent casting this week. Can we move on? If you are not going to read the whole discussion than there's no use commenting. Where do you get your information that idra has hardly been practicing? His last game before this was days ago and casting a few series will not use all his time. As for your statement about moving on, once again if you had read the whole discussion you'd note I already had. | ||
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