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On May 16 2011 14:31 TheGreenBee wrote:
Sen trains on KR. The skill gap can only widen from this point on..
As evident from his stream, NA ladder is too easy for IdrA and I'm not sure his teammates are that much of a help either..
Yeah I think u have a point...Idra has been tearing it up in NA lately but right now it seems like Europe/KR is ahead so his NA practice might not be doing him that much good when it comes to international tourneys. I mean really, what does Idra gain from practicing on NA ladder where he could win 95% of his games with one hand tied behind his back? Too early to say anything though, we'll find out at MLG.
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On May 16 2011 15:31 antelope591 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 14:31 TheGreenBee wrote:
Sen trains on KR. The skill gap can only widen from this point on..
As evident from his stream, NA ladder is too easy for IdrA and I'm not sure his teammates are that much of a help either.. Yeah I think u have a point...Idra has been tearing it up in NA lately but right now it seems like Europe/KR is ahead so his NA practice might not be doing him that much good when it comes to international tourneys. I mean really, what does Idra gain from practicing on NA ladder where he could win 95% of his games with one hand tied behind his back? Too early to say anything though, we'll find out at MLG.
Idra said he's not using NA to practice. I assume he practices with his teammates and practice partners, which include people like Machine, Sheth, Dimaga, and perhaps Sen himself (when they're not playing each other).
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Sen ftw! I really wanted to watch this live, pity I had to go out.
I think it's pretty hard to pick the best foreign Zerg at the moment, but Idra, Sen and Dimaga are clearly a step ahead of everyone else right now.
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Oh wow Senfighting. May have to pick up that fnatic shirt
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Sen plays on KR as zergking (he played like one against Idra). he plays on NA as softbail. His win rate on KR ladder isn't as high as one would expect, since he has to fight off OGS and IM all the time. NA is more of entertainment for him.
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On May 16 2011 15:25 Sqq wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 14:29 TheGreenBee wrote:On May 16 2011 13:31 FLuE wrote:He'll not win any major tournament if he keeps going like this. All his opponents loses when they get beat; he loses when he feels he's behind. That's a major handicap. First off, he just won a major tournament so... ok moving on from that. Second, I too am a person who wishes he would play it out but the fact of the matter is the guy has played a TON more professional games than you, and he knows his limits, play style, and personal mentality. He doesn't like playing from behind it seems, he knows the situations he doesn't feel he can win from, and it seems he doesn't feel like playing those games out, losing anyway, and then getting frustrated. Seems to me, someone with his experience has figured out "I'm better to get out, regroup, and try to win the next one." Notice how he doesn't GG as fast in match deciding games, he'll fight a bit more, but early in a series I can see it just frustrating him and moving on to the next game quickly helps him put it behind him. I mean, nobody talks about the times he "GGs" fast and then wins 2 or 3 games in a row. There are other advantages to quicker GG's in games you are most likely going to lose. You don't let your opponent start to feel really good or get into a rhythm. You don't waste your own mental energy trying to struggle from a position you can't win from just getting more frustrated. You don't get out of rhythm yourself trying to do crazy strats you don't normally do to try to come back. So it is what he does, it is his style, it clearly works for him being one of a small handful of the people on the planet making a living doing this. Seems like he knows himself and that will ultimately make him a stronger competitor. Hmm notice how I said "he'll not win...", as in, win future tournaments.. I knew he has won before. Also, IPL Season One wasn't really a big tournament by any stretch of imagination. You can make as many excuses as you want for him; but the fact of the matter is if he stays in the game there is a chance of winning ( > 0%). I don't need to play as many games as he has to know that. I also don't need to play so many games to know that giving up/quitting is a horrible attitude to have. IPL was a really stacked tournament. Winning that is as big if not bigger than winning an MLG.
Now you are trolling hard! 
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Beyond all the Idra talk, I think this is a really big win for Sen as he needed to cement his position in his group before going on to face Tyler, Socke, Drewbie, and Cloud, all of whom have a chance of taking a match off of him (esp. Socke). Tyler vs. Sen next week is going to be a deciding match for Tyler, and I imagine he'll be preparing for it a lot to prove that he's "still got it."
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On May 16 2011 15:48 DisaFear wrote:
Oh wow Senfighting. May have to pick up that fnatic shirt
Sen said he's not gonna re-new his contract with Fnatic this year. If you like Sen, just do it on FB, don't bother w/ Fnatic.
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On May 16 2011 14:58 Doraemon wrote:
requesting fantasy gg timing can be dangerous
Dude, think about it, hatcheries floating all over the place
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On May 16 2011 15:25 Sqq wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 14:29 TheGreenBee wrote:On May 16 2011 13:31 FLuE wrote:He'll not win any major tournament if he keeps going like this. All his opponents loses when they get beat; he loses when he feels he's behind. That's a major handicap. First off, he just won a major tournament so... ok moving on from that. Second, I too am a person who wishes he would play it out but the fact of the matter is the guy has played a TON more professional games than you, and he knows his limits, play style, and personal mentality. He doesn't like playing from behind it seems, he knows the situations he doesn't feel he can win from, and it seems he doesn't feel like playing those games out, losing anyway, and then getting frustrated. Seems to me, someone with his experience has figured out "I'm better to get out, regroup, and try to win the next one." Notice how he doesn't GG as fast in match deciding games, he'll fight a bit more, but early in a series I can see it just frustrating him and moving on to the next game quickly helps him put it behind him. I mean, nobody talks about the times he "GGs" fast and then wins 2 or 3 games in a row. There are other advantages to quicker GG's in games you are most likely going to lose. You don't let your opponent start to feel really good or get into a rhythm. You don't waste your own mental energy trying to struggle from a position you can't win from just getting more frustrated. You don't get out of rhythm yourself trying to do crazy strats you don't normally do to try to come back. So it is what he does, it is his style, it clearly works for him being one of a small handful of the people on the planet making a living doing this. Seems like he knows himself and that will ultimately make him a stronger competitor. Hmm notice how I said "he'll not win...", as in, win future tournaments.. I knew he has won before. Also, IPL Season One wasn't really a big tournament by any stretch of imagination. You can make as many excuses as you want for him; but the fact of the matter is if he stays in the game there is a chance of winning ( > 0%). I don't need to play as many games as he has to know that. I also don't need to play so many games to know that giving up/quitting is a horrible attitude to have. IPL was a really stacked tournament. Winning that is as big if not bigger than winning an MLG.
I hope you arent serious... Idra, Kiwikaki and SeleCt were the only high level pros in the IPL... it was definately a lower tier lineup even than the current HD world tournament which had a much better lineup. (Idra got knocked out in the first round of that.)
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On May 16 2011 15:35 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 15:31 antelope591 wrote:On May 16 2011 14:31 TheGreenBee wrote:
Sen trains on KR. The skill gap can only widen from this point on..
As evident from his stream, NA ladder is too easy for IdrA and I'm not sure his teammates are that much of a help either.. Yeah I think u have a point...Idra has been tearing it up in NA lately but right now it seems like Europe/KR is ahead so his NA practice might not be doing him that much good when it comes to international tourneys. I mean really, what does Idra gain from practicing on NA ladder where he could win 95% of his games with one hand tied behind his back? Too early to say anything though, we'll find out at MLG. Idra said he's not using NA to practice. I assume he practices with his teammates and practice partners, which include people like Machine, Sheth, Dimaga, and perhaps Sen himself (when they're not playing each other).
Yea but people being able to use ladder as practice can be an advantage especially in KR were the competition's pretty stiff so you can get good games in all the time even if your teammates aren't around. I don't think EG's around to practice with Idra 24/7 but the ladder's always there if you need it.
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On May 16 2011 15:30 Swede wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 14:54 TheGreenBee wrote:
I am not side stepping your question. I just don't see how it'll add value to my argument. I can describe a thousand scenarios but so what? It's a lot of what ifs. I just want IdrA to play the game out and whatever happens, happens. Well, describe the likeliest scenario you can think of in which IdrA wins, and then think about just how likely it actually is. It might help us understand what you think are reasonable odds to stick around for.
The best hope Idra has of winning is hatching 6-8 lings and threaten to make a run by with them. Sen then has to believe this fake pressure while Idra gets an expo and drones up. Sen then has to attack move towards Idra with just roaches while droning+teching to lair--skipping zerglings as he does. Idra goes in and does heavy damage to Sen's mineral line with his 4-6 lings (he should have lost some by then) and Sen has to feel threatened by this attack enough to pull back.
After all that happens, Idra should just be slightly behind Sen instead of incredibly behind Sen as Idra starts hatching roaches while morphing spine crawlers in anticipation of Sen's counterattack (which has to happen at this point).
If Idra holds off the counterattack, they should be about even.
THEN Idra has a chance to start taking steps towards winning.
ie, not really going to happen.
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On May 16 2011 16:06 antelope591 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 15:35 Azarkon wrote:On May 16 2011 15:31 antelope591 wrote:On May 16 2011 14:31 TheGreenBee wrote:
Sen trains on KR. The skill gap can only widen from this point on..
As evident from his stream, NA ladder is too easy for IdrA and I'm not sure his teammates are that much of a help either.. Yeah I think u have a point...Idra has been tearing it up in NA lately but right now it seems like Europe/KR is ahead so his NA practice might not be doing him that much good when it comes to international tourneys. I mean really, what does Idra gain from practicing on NA ladder where he could win 95% of his games with one hand tied behind his back? Too early to say anything though, we'll find out at MLG. Idra said he's not using NA to practice. I assume he practices with his teammates and practice partners, which include people like Machine, Sheth, Dimaga, and perhaps Sen himself (when they're not playing each other). Yea but people being able to use ladder as practice can be an advantage especially in KR were the competition's pretty stiff so you can get good games in all the time even if your teammates aren't around. I don't think EG's around to practice with Idra 24/7 but the ladder's always there if you need it.
Nestea have basically said he uses the ladder to play around and give his opponents a sense of weakness by not playing his best. Thorzain have basically played a handful of games on ladder the past month. Ladder as practise is overrated for several reasons, especially if you are preparing new strategies and such.
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loses one game and people over react. lol.
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On May 16 2011 13:31 FLuE wrote:Show nested quote +He'll not win any major tournament if he keeps going like this. All his opponents loses when they get beat; he loses when he feels he's behind. That's a major handicap. First off, he just won a major tournament so... ok moving on from that. Second, I too am a person who wishes he would play it out but the fact of the matter is the guy has played a TON more professional games than you, and he knows his limits, play style, and personal mentality. He doesn't like playing from behind it seems, he knows the situations he doesn't feel he can win from, and it seems he doesn't feel like playing those games out, losing anyway, and then getting frustrated. Seems to me, someone with his experience has figured out "I'm better to get out, regroup, and try to win the next one." Notice how he doesn't GG as fast in match deciding games, he'll fight a bit more, but early in a series I can see it just frustrating him and moving on to the next game quickly helps him put it behind him. I mean, nobody talks about the times he "GGs" fast and then wins 2 or 3 games in a row. There are other advantages to quicker GG's in games you are most likely going to lose. You don't let your opponent start to feel really good or get into a rhythm. You don't waste your own mental energy trying to struggle from a position you can't win from just getting more frustrated. You don't get out of rhythm yourself trying to do crazy strats you don't normally do to try to come back. So it is what he does, it is his style, it clearly works for him being one of a small handful of the people on the planet making a living doing this. Seems like he knows himself and that will ultimately make him a stronger competitor.
IGN season 1 is not a major season there is dayli online tournaments each day with better players then IGN season 1.
IGN season 2 however looks like its gonna be stacked.
However I dont understand why so many people go nutz just becuase Idra loses 1 game. in NASL there is many great players and losing 1 game aint a big deal.
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On May 16 2011 15:57 Azarkon wrote:
Beyond all the Idra talk, I think this is a really big win for Sen as he needed to cement his position in his group before going on to face Tyler, Socke, Drewbie, and Cloud, all of whom have a chance of taking a match off of him (esp. Socke). Tyler vs. Sen next week is going to be a deciding match for Tyler, and I imagine he'll be preparing for it a lot to prove that he's "still got it."
Really ? ... Come on don't offend Sen like that  he will take first place no doubt. Already played all the big boys in his group, only Socke might take a game of him.
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On May 16 2011 21:10 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 13:31 FLuE wrote:He'll not win any major tournament if he keeps going like this. All his opponents loses when they get beat; he loses when he feels he's behind. That's a major handicap. First off, he just won a major tournament so... ok moving on from that. Second, I too am a person who wishes he would play it out but the fact of the matter is the guy has played a TON more professional games than you, and he knows his limits, play style, and personal mentality. He doesn't like playing from behind it seems, he knows the situations he doesn't feel he can win from, and it seems he doesn't feel like playing those games out, losing anyway, and then getting frustrated. Seems to me, someone with his experience has figured out "I'm better to get out, regroup, and try to win the next one." Notice how he doesn't GG as fast in match deciding games, he'll fight a bit more, but early in a series I can see it just frustrating him and moving on to the next game quickly helps him put it behind him. I mean, nobody talks about the times he "GGs" fast and then wins 2 or 3 games in a row. There are other advantages to quicker GG's in games you are most likely going to lose. You don't let your opponent start to feel really good or get into a rhythm. You don't waste your own mental energy trying to struggle from a position you can't win from just getting more frustrated. You don't get out of rhythm yourself trying to do crazy strats you don't normally do to try to come back. So it is what he does, it is his style, it clearly works for him being one of a small handful of the people on the planet making a living doing this. Seems like he knows himself and that will ultimately make him a stronger competitor. IGN season 1 is not a major season there is dayli online tournaments each day with better players then IGN season 1. IGN season 2 however looks like its gonna be stacked. However I dont understand why so many people go nutz just becuase Idra loses 1 game. in NASL there is many great players and losing 1 game aint a big deal.
Keep telling yourself that buddy.
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Erm is there no europe broadcast for tonight of week 5-day5?
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I couldn't help it after seeing JP's head floating in "spaaaaaaaaaaaaaace!"
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