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Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 04:44:48
May 16 2011 04:44 GMT
#1441
It's really simple: if you'd regularly follow the scene, you'd KNEW that Sen was actually favorite in this particular matchup in this particular tournament. I mean, sure it takes a lot of time to watch tournaments, players' streams, and shows such as State of the Game, etc. but the information was there.
o choro é livre
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
May 16 2011 04:48 GMT
#1442
On May 16 2011 13:44 AlBundy wrote:
It's really simple: if you'd regularly follow the scene, you'd KNEW that Sen was actually favorite in this particular matchup in this particular tournament. I mean, sure it takes a lot of time to watch tournaments, players' streams, and shows such as State of the Game, etc. but the information was there.


Statistically idra was the favorite (going in with a 100% head to head win rate), by the dictionary definition he was the favorite although some people who are commentating say sen was the favorite sure, but the vast majority favored idra as is shown in the votes, and Gretorp stated at one point that idra was a favorite (I believe it was during the first game.

But if you want to stick to your opinion that sen was the favorite than be my guest. I am all for that opinion as a Sen fan, but fact of the matter is idra was the slight favorite going into the game.
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vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
May 16 2011 04:50 GMT
#1443
Wow idrA lost today...
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
Azurues
Profile Joined March 2011
Malaysia5612 Posts
May 16 2011 04:51 GMT
#1444
Sen is a fantastic zerg player.
Gezuz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden306 Posts
May 16 2011 04:52 GMT
#1445
On May 16 2011 13:41 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 13:37 Gezuz wrote:
On May 16 2011 13:33 d(O.o)a wrote:
On May 16 2011 13:30 Gezuz wrote:
On May 16 2011 13:25 d(O.o)a wrote:
On May 16 2011 13:20 Gezuz wrote:
On May 16 2011 13:14 d(O.o)a wrote:
On May 16 2011 13:08 Gezuz wrote:
On May 16 2011 13:05 d(O.o)a wrote:
Favorites are based off of stats as they always have been, skill is measured in wins, not in confidence. Idra was the favorite for the match. if you were to look at Calm vs. Zero in the MSL, They're two players very similar in skill, Zero has 49% in the matchup while calm has 56%. Therefor Calm is the favorite, that's just how it works opinions are nothing more than opinions.


Youre using statistics worse then the guy who wrote "elephant in the room" article


Statistics are statistics there's nothing more to it.

Idra vs. Sen head to head: 1-0 favoring idra.

The only other player that they both played is morrow who sen is 0-1 against and idra is 2-1 against, once again favoring idra.


youre both stubborn and ignorant anyways im done replying to your blind revelation posts.

gl trying to convince others of your truth hope the dictionary accepts your changes to the word "favorite"


Well if you want to bring dictionary definitions into this than idra was the CLEAR favorite:
fa·vor·ite

noun /ˈfāv(ə)rət/ 
favorites, plural; favourites, plural

A person or thing that is especially popular or particularly well liked by someone
- the song is still a favorite after 20 years

The competitor thought most likely to win a game or contest, esp. by people betting on the outcome
- he was the early favorite to win the South Carolina caucuses

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You were saying?


Youre a true favorite among the people of this thread at posting pretty irrelevent data and statistics.

Gj m8 should get a gold medal for being such a trooper trying to force others to believe your silly truth.

P:S: ok im truly done now even thou youre so wrong i respect the fact that youre trying to make an argument (even thou many made it clear that youre wrong)


What? I just posted definitive evidence that your statement was wrong... Please PROVE me wrong instead of just stating with no evidence that sen was the favorite based on the dictionary definition or everybody thinks that sen was the favorite or it was evenly matched and blah blah blah...


My point and evryone elses was that there was no actual favorite therefore there was no upset.

And your evidence is just same irrelevant data specially the fanfavorite votes of Liquibets

And the dictionary comment was a joke brainiac my god youre just geting too cute


irrelevant data? http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/gosubet/96368
Gosubet agrees, nobody has posted any PROOF that sen was a favorite, only made statements that he was.


ok truly my last post in this as i have to go to work in 5 minutes. What im saying is that there was no favorite and no upset in this match period and theres not enough recent statistics to show otherwise specialy with ZvZ being such a fragile matchup

you cant use any kind of fanvotes or very small amount of beting people as proof simply because idra is so well known that most people will vote or bet for him no matter who he faces

thats it no true favorite no true upset end of story gg no re

and you need to learn on catching some of the sarcrastic/ironic comments as it can make you look rather silly if you dont
JKira
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1002 Posts
May 16 2011 04:52 GMT
#1446
On May 16 2011 13:48 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 13:44 AlBundy wrote:
It's really simple: if you'd regularly follow the scene, you'd KNEW that Sen was actually favorite in this particular matchup in this particular tournament. I mean, sure it takes a lot of time to watch tournaments, players' streams, and shows such as State of the Game, etc. but the information was there.


Statistically idra was the favorite (going in with a 100% head to head win rate), by the dictionary definition he was the favorite although some people who are commentating say sen was the favorite sure, but the vast majority favored idra as is shown in the votes, and Gretorp stated at one point that idra was a favorite (I believe it was during the first game.

But if you want to stick to your opinion that sen was the favorite than be my guest. I am all for that opinion as a Sen fan, but fact of the matter is idra was the slight favorite going into the game.


For the love of god stop relying on statistics so much, ESPECIALLY when the stat you keep referring to (the head to head) is made up of ONE game.
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 04:54:21
May 16 2011 04:53 GMT
#1447
Doesn't matter who was the favorite.
Every time IdrA plays a Zerg he tells some interviewer that ZvZ is (like in BW, if you are not Jaedong) a Coinflip! Well the Coin flipped the other side this time!
There can only be one Geisterkarle
Techno
Profile Joined June 2010
1900 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 05:08:29
May 16 2011 04:53 GMT
#1448
oops

EDIT: Wrong thread
Hell, its awesome to LOSE to nukes!
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 05:01:09
May 16 2011 04:56 GMT
#1449
On May 16 2011 13:53 Techno wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [TSL Grand Final] +
I don't understand how Thorzain did it. I lose every fucking TvP I play.


EDIT: Wrong thread

please spoiler it too.

On May 16 2011 13:52 JKira wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 13:48 d(O.o)a wrote:
On May 16 2011 13:44 AlBundy wrote:
It's really simple: if you'd regularly follow the scene, you'd KNEW that Sen was actually favorite in this particular matchup in this particular tournament. I mean, sure it takes a lot of time to watch tournaments, players' streams, and shows such as State of the Game, etc. but the information was there.


Statistically idra was the favorite (going in with a 100% head to head win rate), by the dictionary definition he was the favorite although some people who are commentating say sen was the favorite sure, but the vast majority favored idra as is shown in the votes, and Gretorp stated at one point that idra was a favorite (I believe it was during the first game.

But if you want to stick to your opinion that sen was the favorite than be my guest. I am all for that opinion as a Sen fan, but fact of the matter is idra was the slight favorite going into the game.


For the love of god stop relying on statistics so much, ESPECIALLY when the stat you keep referring to (the head to head) is made up of ONE game.


One game is one game, it's all we have to use as evidence and that evidence points towards idra. (not counting the bets)

The entire argument against idra being the favorite is based off of hearsay and personal opinions, by the dictionary definition and by statistics idra was the favorite. And by that fact alone it was an upset, people have the OPINION that an upset is only if it's a blowout of a hugely favored player but once again refering to a dictionary definition:
up·set (p-st)
v. up·set, up·set·ting, up·sets
v.tr.
1. To cause to turn or tip over; capsize.
2. To disturb the functioning, order, or course of: Protesters upset the meeting by chanting and shouting.
3. To distress or perturb mentally or emotionally: The bad news upset me.
4. To overthrow; overturn: upset a will. See Synonyms at overthrow.
5. (pst) To defeat unexpectedly (an opponent favored to win).
6. To make (a heated metal bolt, for example) shorter and thicker by hammering on the end.

idra was upset.

For the love of god stop relying on your own opinion so much and accept that MAYBE just MAYBE you're wrong. (It's really not that hard, you should try it some time.)
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JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
May 16 2011 04:58 GMT
#1450
not sure why there's so much argument about sen/idra.

both these players have expressed that they consider the other to be very good.
koolaid1990
Profile Joined September 2010
831 Posts
May 16 2011 05:01 GMT
#1451
Idra Claimed ZVZ is his best matchup.
Before Idra went into this game, he claimed that Sen is an absolute beast and there is a good chance that it can go either way.
Its simply because Sen is good.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
May 16 2011 05:02 GMT
#1452
Wow I was just about to post about how to predict sports results but I see that you just love to argue about semantics, nevermind have a nice day. Hopefully your statistics and dictionnary definitions will be helpful in the future.
o choro é livre
Alphaes
Profile Joined April 2010
United States651 Posts
May 16 2011 05:07 GMT
#1453
On May 16 2011 13:56 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 13:53 Techno wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [TSL Grand Final] +
I don't understand how Thorzain did it. I lose every fucking TvP I play.


EDIT: Wrong thread

please spoiler it too.

Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 13:52 JKira wrote:
On May 16 2011 13:48 d(O.o)a wrote:
On May 16 2011 13:44 AlBundy wrote:
It's really simple: if you'd regularly follow the scene, you'd KNEW that Sen was actually favorite in this particular matchup in this particular tournament. I mean, sure it takes a lot of time to watch tournaments, players' streams, and shows such as State of the Game, etc. but the information was there.


Statistically idra was the favorite (going in with a 100% head to head win rate), by the dictionary definition he was the favorite although some people who are commentating say sen was the favorite sure, but the vast majority favored idra as is shown in the votes, and Gretorp stated at one point that idra was a favorite (I believe it was during the first game.

But if you want to stick to your opinion that sen was the favorite than be my guest. I am all for that opinion as a Sen fan, but fact of the matter is idra was the slight favorite going into the game.


For the love of god stop relying on statistics so much, ESPECIALLY when the stat you keep referring to (the head to head) is made up of ONE game.


One game is one game, it's all we have to use as evidence and that evidence points towards idra. (not counting the bets)

The entire argument against idra being the favorite is based off of hearsay and personal opinions, by the dictionary definition and by statistics idra was the favorite. And by that fact alone it was an upset, people have the OPINION that an upset is only if it's a blowout of a hugely favored player but once again refering to a dictionary definition:
up·set (p-st)
v. up·set, up·set·ting, up·sets
v.tr.
1. To cause to turn or tip over; capsize.
2. To disturb the functioning, order, or course of: Protesters upset the meeting by chanting and shouting.
3. To distress or perturb mentally or emotionally: The bad news upset me.
4. To overthrow; overturn: upset a will. See Synonyms at overthrow.
5. (pst) To defeat unexpectedly (an opponent favored to win).
6. To make (a heated metal bolt, for example) shorter and thicker by hammering on the end.

idra was upset.

For the love of god stop relying on your own opinion so much and accept that MAYBE just MAYBE you're wrong. (It's really not that hard, you should try it some time.)


I think you should accept things aren't black and white as you might like them to be. Saves yourself the effort of arguing over such inane semantics.
What this
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
May 16 2011 05:09 GMT
#1454
On May 16 2011 14:02 AlBundy wrote:
Wow I was just about to post about how to predict sports results but I see that you just love to argue about semantics, nevermind have a nice day. Hopefully your statistics and dictionnary definitions will be helpful in the future.


Why would I care about your tips on how to predict sports results? I know that in reality sen had a good chance of winning but technically Idra was the favorite, my comments were simply stating that when a favorite of no matter what caliber is beat they have been upset, yet people seemed to take it to mean that I expected idra to win.

As I said earlier:
On May 16 2011 13:07 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 13:06 Frugalicious wrote:
On May 16 2011 12:58 d(O.o)a wrote:
On May 16 2011 12:56 Frugalicious wrote:
On May 16 2011 12:49 d(O.o)a wrote:
On May 16 2011 12:48 jmbthirteen wrote:
On May 16 2011 12:47 AimForTheBushes wrote:
Wow - Sen pulling the upset - gj Sen!

I wouldn't really call it an upset.


Until today idra had lost 1 ZvZ


Idra in the foreigner scene had only played 2 top tier Zergs and that was Morrow and Sen in the GCPL, where Idra did beat Sen. Those statistics are meaningless.


Great job reading the whole thread before commenting, I was referring to the fact that idra being the favorite (not by a long-shot but the favorite at all) and losing means that it was an upset, that is what the term means.


You mentioned in the previous post that Idra was the clear favorite.
I'm not trying to say that Idra is far better than Sen but Idra was definitely the favorite. When the favorite loses it's called an upset.
Now you are saying he was a favorite not by a long-shot. You really should be more consistent when you are trying to debate over something.

Like everyone else who isn't blinded by fanboyism, it is not an upset if you actually know the players. Sen has an amazing ZvZ and is one of the top foreigner Zergs. Idra acknowledges Sen will be difficult and has an "advantage". What part of that makes it an upset let alone Idea being the definite favorite? Please be less wrong and you should take your own advice and read through the thread. Be less blinded by your fanboyism please.


I said he's definitely the favorite, not the favorite by a long shot, if you have 21 apples and somebody else has 20 apples, you definitely have more apples but you don't have way more apples.

Also as for your comment about blind fanboyism, I'm a sen fan more than an idra fan I simply like to argue over semantics.
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Mycl
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1370 Posts
May 16 2011 05:10 GMT
#1455
On May 16 2011 14:01 koolaid1990 wrote:
Idra Claimed ZVZ is his best matchup.
Before Idra went into this game, he claimed that Sen is an absolute beast and there is a good chance that it can go either way.
Its simply because Sen is good.


Last SOTG I think it was Idra stated that his best match up at the moment is ZvT. His results for the last month or so has definitely backed that up that.
Hollis
Profile Joined January 2011
United States505 Posts
May 16 2011 05:13 GMT
#1456
On May 16 2011 13:48 d(O.o)a wrote:Gretorp stated


Not to pee on your parade but Grederp isn't exactly the most credible source of information.

Also, Boxer made nukes and BCs, why aren't people holding hands and singing?
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 05:16:19
May 16 2011 05:15 GMT
#1457
On May 16 2011 14:13 Hollis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 13:48 d(O.o)a wrote:Gretorp stated


Not to pee on your parade but Grederp isn't exactly the most credible source of information.

Also, Boxer made nukes and BCs, why aren't people holding hands and singing?


I never said he was, he IS however more reliable than these two randoms.

Also I agree on the second part, I got carried away in my fun, hurrah for boxer I was loving those games something fierce, extremely enjoyable to watch, today was a GREAT day for SC2!
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elementz
Profile Joined October 2010
United States281 Posts
May 16 2011 05:17 GMT
#1458
On May 16 2011 14:13 Hollis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 13:48 d(O.o)a wrote:Gretorp stated


Not to pee on your parade but Grederp isn't exactly the most credible source of information.

Also, Boxer made nukes and BCs, why aren't people holding hands and singing?


Agree with second statement so much.
this mah s#$%$
FLuE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1012 Posts
May 16 2011 05:20 GMT
#1459
I never said he was, he IS however more reliable than these two randoms.


Dude stop ruining the thread arguing over something so stupid.

And just because your pissing me off, there is no way Idra was the favorite in this.

Idra had hardly practiced going into the match-up while Sen has been practicing on Korean server.

Most consider Sen the best Foreign Zerg ATM, although Idra has been playing very good lately.

Those 2 alone either put it at a relatively even match, or Sen as a slight favorite. Me personally, if you asked me before the match I'd have picked Sen to win, and considered him the "favorite" for whatever it is worth simply because Sen is a beast and Idra seemed unconfident going in due to the lack of practice and his time spent casting this week.

Can we move on?
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
May 16 2011 05:23 GMT
#1460
On May 16 2011 14:20 FLuE wrote:
Show nested quote +
I never said he was, he IS however more reliable than these two randoms.


Dude stop ruining the thread arguing over something so stupid.

And just because your pissing me off, there is no way Idra was the favorite in this.

Idra had hardly practiced going into the match-up while Sen has been practicing on Korean server.

Most consider Sen the best Foreign Zerg ATM, although Idra has been playing very good lately.

Those 2 alone either put it at a relatively even match, or Sen as a slight favorite. Me personally, if you asked me before the match I'd have picked Sen to win, and considered him the "favorite" for whatever it is worth simply because Sen is a beast and Idra seemed unconfident going in due to the lack of practice and his time spent casting this week.

Can we move on?


If you are not going to read the whole discussion than there's no use commenting.
Where do you get your information that idra has hardly been practicing? His last game before this was days ago and casting a few series will not use all his time.

As for your statement about moving on, once again if you had read the whole discussion you'd note I already had.
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