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On May 16 2011 13:14 RaiKageRyu wrote:
For those wondering why Boxer is 3rd, its because of the score differential. Most of Boxer's win was 2-1.
I can really see this going down to the last week for the top 2 spots between Boxer and Idra. Both of them just needs to win their games until then.
IdrA + Sen IMO
Zenio is the only other person I see idra maybe losing to, and Sen is strong as well.
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On May 16 2011 13:09 AlBundy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 13:05 d(O.o)a wrote:
Favorites are based off of stats as they always have been, skill is measured in wins, not in confidence. Idra was the favorite for the match. if you were to look at Calm vs. Zero in the MSL, They're two players very similar in skill, Zero has 49% in the matchup while calm has 56%. Therefor Calm is the favorite, that's just how it works opinions are nothing more than opinions.
Idra may be the favorite in the general ZvZ matchup, but in the ZvSen matchup he's not the favorite.
You mean the matchup idra was 1-0 in leading into the game?
On May 16 2011 13:14 Frugalicious wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 13:07 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 13:06 Frugalicious wrote:On May 16 2011 12:58 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 12:56 Frugalicious wrote:On May 16 2011 12:49 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 12:48 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 16 2011 12:47 AimForTheBushes wrote:
Wow - Sen pulling the upset - gj Sen! I wouldn't really call it an upset. Until today idra had lost 1 ZvZ Idra in the foreigner scene had only played 2 top tier Zergs and that was Morrow and Sen in the GCPL, where Idra did beat Sen. Those statistics are meaningless. Great job reading the whole thread before commenting, I was referring to the fact that idra being the favorite (not by a long-shot but the favorite at all) and losing means that it was an upset, that is what the term means. You mentioned in the previous post that Idra was the clear favorite. I'm not trying to say that Idra is far better than Sen but Idra was definitely the favorite. When the favorite loses it's called an upset. Now you are saying he was a favorite not by a long-shot. You really should be more consistent when you are trying to debate over something. Like everyone else who isn't blinded by fanboyism, it is not an upset if you actually know the players. Sen has an amazing ZvZ and is one of the top foreigner Zergs. Idra acknowledges Sen will be difficult and has an "advantage". What part of that makes it an upset let alone Idea being the definite favorite? Please be less wrong and you should take your own advice and read through the thread. Be less blinded by your fanboyism please. I said he's definitely the favorite, not the favorite by a long shot, if you have 21 apples and somebody else has 20 apples, you definitely have more apples but you don't have way more apples. Also as for your comment about blind fanboyism, I'm a sen fan more than an idra fan I simply like to argue over semantics. Your analogy isn't even applicable. By that logic Idra, Bubba, and Slush would be the favorite over Nestea (basing off the stats of the international TLPD). That is simply not true by any means. The stats of each player aren't even weighted equally.
What? How does that pertain to my analogy in any way, my analogy had nothing to do with who's the favorite I was simply defining the word definitely for you in terms you would hopefully understand since you clearly didn't in my previous usage.
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It's pretty hilarious how much you are trying to infer from one ZvZ ending 2-1
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On May 16 2011 13:15 Mycl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 13:14 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 13:08 Gezuz wrote:On May 16 2011 13:05 d(O.o)a wrote:
Favorites are based off of stats as they always have been, skill is measured in wins, not in confidence. Idra was the favorite for the match. if you were to look at Calm vs. Zero in the MSL, They're two players very similar in skill, Zero has 49% in the matchup while calm has 56%. Therefor Calm is the favorite, that's just how it works opinions are nothing more than opinions.
Youre using statistics worse then the guy who wrote "elephant in the room" article Statistics are statistics there's nothing more to it. Idra vs. Sen head to head: 1-0 favoring idra. The only other player that they both played is morrow who sen is 0-1 against and idra is 2-1 against, once again favoring idra. Zenio beat Idra in the GSL and Sen in this league beat Zenio 2-0.
But see that's inapplicable because the GSL is LAN latency meaning zenio was playing without huge delay while Zenio was playing from Korea on NA server which he isn't always doing against Sen who does it all the time.
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On May 16 2011 13:15 Mycl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 13:14 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 13:08 Gezuz wrote:On May 16 2011 13:05 d(O.o)a wrote:
Favorites are based off of stats as they always have been, skill is measured in wins, not in confidence. Idra was the favorite for the match. if you were to look at Calm vs. Zero in the MSL, They're two players very similar in skill, Zero has 49% in the matchup while calm has 56%. Therefor Calm is the favorite, that's just how it works opinions are nothing more than opinions.
Youre using statistics worse then the guy who wrote "elephant in the room" article Statistics are statistics there's nothing more to it. Idra vs. Sen head to head: 1-0 favoring idra. The only other player that they both played is morrow who sen is 0-1 against and idra is 2-1 against, once again favoring idra. Zenio beat Idra in the GSL and Sen in this league beat Zenio 2-0.
Lol the statistics in this thread are out of control. Zenio beat IdrA in what? GSL2? Was a completely different game with a completely different meta back then compared to now.
Really the NASL and Starcraft 2 as well are both too young to be comparing statistics like they mean anything. Sen and IdrA were pretty fairly matched, and I think that was obvious by today's games as well.
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On May 16 2011 13:14 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 13:08 Gezuz wrote:On May 16 2011 13:05 d(O.o)a wrote:
Favorites are based off of stats as they always have been, skill is measured in wins, not in confidence. Idra was the favorite for the match. if you were to look at Calm vs. Zero in the MSL, They're two players very similar in skill, Zero has 49% in the matchup while calm has 56%. Therefor Calm is the favorite, that's just how it works opinions are nothing more than opinions.
Youre using statistics worse then the guy who wrote "elephant in the room" article Statistics are statistics there's nothing more to it. Idra vs. Sen head to head: 1-0 favoring idra. The only other player that they both played is morrow who sen is 0-1 against and idra is 2-1 against, once again favoring idra.
youre both stubborn and ignorant anyways im done replying to your blind revelation posts.
gl trying to convince others of your truth hope the dictionary accepts your changes to the word "favorite"
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I think Idra is so stupid. I've seen him quit games so many times when he is somewhat behind. This is not the right attitude and he should definitely keep on playing for a few reasons:
1. Make his opponent earn the win. (has multiple benefits. ie. wear his opponent out a little bit more than if he were to get a free win..)
2. He might just end up winning if the opponent makes some mistakes.
3. It's an attitude thing.. trying to fight back and win is so much better than simply being a quitter.
He'll not win any major tournament if he keeps going like this. All his opponents loses when they get beat; he loses when he feels he's behind. That's a major handicap.
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On May 16 2011 13:20 Gezuz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 13:14 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 13:08 Gezuz wrote:On May 16 2011 13:05 d(O.o)a wrote:
Favorites are based off of stats as they always have been, skill is measured in wins, not in confidence. Idra was the favorite for the match. if you were to look at Calm vs. Zero in the MSL, They're two players very similar in skill, Zero has 49% in the matchup while calm has 56%. Therefor Calm is the favorite, that's just how it works opinions are nothing more than opinions.
Youre using statistics worse then the guy who wrote "elephant in the room" article Statistics are statistics there's nothing more to it. Idra vs. Sen head to head: 1-0 favoring idra. The only other player that they both played is morrow who sen is 0-1 against and idra is 2-1 against, once again favoring idra. youre both stubborn and ignorant anyways im done replying to your blind revelation posts. gl trying to convince others of your truth hope the dictionary accepts your changes to the word "favorite"
Well if you want to bring dictionary definitions into this than idra was the CLEAR favorite:
fa·vor·ite
noun /ˈfāv(ə)rət/
favorites, plural; favourites, plural
A person or thing that is especially popular or particularly well liked by someone
- the song is still a favorite after 20 years
The competitor thought most likely to win a game or contest, esp. by people betting on the outcome
- he was the early favorite to win the South Carolina caucuses
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/liquibet2/showgraph.php?liquibet=253)
You were saying?
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On May 16 2011 13:20 TheGreenBee wrote:
I think Idra is so stupid. I've seen him quit games so many times when he is somewhat behind. This is not the right attitude and he should definitely keep on playing for a few reasons:
1. Make his opponent earn the win. (has multiple benefits. ie. wear his opponent out a little bit more than if he were to get a free win..)
2. He might just end up winning if the opponent makes some mistakes.
3. It's an attitude thing.. trying to fight back and win is so much better than simply being a quitter.
He'll not win any major tournament if he keeps going like this. All his opponents loses when they get beat; he loses when he feels he's behind. That's a major handicap.
except for winning MLG and IPL, you're right!!
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On May 16 2011 13:20 TheGreenBee wrote:
I think Idra is so stupid. I've seen him quit games so many times when he is somewhat behind. This is not the right attitude and he should definitely keep on playing for a few reasons:
1. Make his opponent earn the win. (has multiple benefits. ie. wear his opponent out a little bit more than if he were to get a free win..)
2. He might just end up winning if the opponent makes some mistakes.
3. It's an attitude thing.. trying to fight back and win is so much better than simply being a quitter.
He'll not win any major tournament if he keeps going like this. All his opponents loses when they get beat; he loses when he feels he's behind. That's a major handicap.
The second game was lost, Sen had ~8 roaches and 14 drones to idra's 19 drones and a few lings with no roach tech meaning he loses to the roach counter. Sen also was up a hatchery and queen meaning the drone disparity means nothing because if sen wanted to build drones he could be ahead in no time.
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d(O.o)a dude I'd LOVE to see you bet on Horse racing... Statistics aren't everything.
Also what's your liquibet rank? Are you one of these 7588 people who were wrong about the Idra vs. Sen matchup?
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Sen Made Idra to say Gee Gee Gee Gee when he loses~~
Sen's Taiwanese, but SNSD is popular.
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On May 16 2011 13:25 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 13:20 Gezuz wrote:On May 16 2011 13:14 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 13:08 Gezuz wrote:On May 16 2011 13:05 d(O.o)a wrote:
Favorites are based off of stats as they always have been, skill is measured in wins, not in confidence. Idra was the favorite for the match. if you were to look at Calm vs. Zero in the MSL, They're two players very similar in skill, Zero has 49% in the matchup while calm has 56%. Therefor Calm is the favorite, that's just how it works opinions are nothing more than opinions.
Youre using statistics worse then the guy who wrote "elephant in the room" article Statistics are statistics there's nothing more to it. Idra vs. Sen head to head: 1-0 favoring idra. The only other player that they both played is morrow who sen is 0-1 against and idra is 2-1 against, once again favoring idra. youre both stubborn and ignorant anyways im done replying to your blind revelation posts. gl trying to convince others of your truth hope the dictionary accepts your changes to the word "favorite" Well if you want to bring dictionary definitions into this than idra was the CLEAR favorite: fa·vor·ite noun /ˈfāv(ə)rət/ favorites, plural; favourites, plural A person or thing that is especially popular or particularly well liked by someone - the song is still a favorite after 20 years The competitor thought most likely to win a game or contest, esp. by people betting on the outcome - he was the early favorite to win the South Carolina caucuses You were saying?
Youre a true favorite among the people of this thread at posting pretty irrelevent data and statistics.
Gj m8 should get a gold medal for being such a trooper trying to force others to believe your silly truth.
P:S: ok im truly done now even thou youre so wrong i respect the fact that youre trying to make an argument (even thou many made it clear that youre wrong)
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He'll not win any major tournament if he keeps going like this. All his opponents loses when they get beat; he loses when he feels he's behind. That's a major handicap.
First off, he just won a major tournament so... ok moving on from that.
Second, I too am a person who wishes he would play it out but the fact of the matter is the guy has played a TON more professional games than you, and he knows his limits, play style, and personal mentality. He doesn't like playing from behind it seems, he knows the situations he doesn't feel he can win from, and it seems he doesn't feel like playing those games out, losing anyway, and then getting frustrated.
Seems to me, someone with his experience has figured out "I'm better to get out, regroup, and try to win the next one." Notice how he doesn't GG as fast in match deciding games, he'll fight a bit more, but early in a series I can see it just frustrating him and moving on to the next game quickly helps him put it behind him.
I mean, nobody talks about the times he "GGs" fast and then wins 2 or 3 games in a row.
There are other advantages to quicker GG's in games you are most likely going to lose. You don't let your opponent start to feel really good or get into a rhythm. You don't waste your own mental energy trying to struggle from a position you can't win from just getting more frustrated. You don't get out of rhythm yourself trying to do crazy strats you don't normally do to try to come back.
So it is what he does, it is his style, it clearly works for him being one of a small handful of the people on the planet making a living doing this. Seems like he knows himself and that will ultimately make him a stronger competitor.
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On May 16 2011 13:30 Gezuz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 13:25 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 13:20 Gezuz wrote:On May 16 2011 13:14 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 13:08 Gezuz wrote:On May 16 2011 13:05 d(O.o)a wrote:
Favorites are based off of stats as they always have been, skill is measured in wins, not in confidence. Idra was the favorite for the match. if you were to look at Calm vs. Zero in the MSL, They're two players very similar in skill, Zero has 49% in the matchup while calm has 56%. Therefor Calm is the favorite, that's just how it works opinions are nothing more than opinions.
Youre using statistics worse then the guy who wrote "elephant in the room" article Statistics are statistics there's nothing more to it. Idra vs. Sen head to head: 1-0 favoring idra. The only other player that they both played is morrow who sen is 0-1 against and idra is 2-1 against, once again favoring idra. youre both stubborn and ignorant anyways im done replying to your blind revelation posts. gl trying to convince others of your truth hope the dictionary accepts your changes to the word "favorite" Well if you want to bring dictionary definitions into this than idra was the CLEAR favorite: fa·vor·ite noun /ˈfāv(ə)rət/ favorites, plural; favourites, plural A person or thing that is especially popular or particularly well liked by someone - the song is still a favorite after 20 years The competitor thought most likely to win a game or contest, esp. by people betting on the outcome - he was the early favorite to win the South Carolina caucuses You were saying? Youre a true favorite among the people of this thread at posting pretty irrelevent data and statistics. Gj m8 should get a gold medal for being such a trooper trying to force others to believe your silly truth. P:S: ok im truly done now even thou youre so wrong i respect the fact that youre trying to make an argument (even thou many made it clear that youre wrong)
What? I just posted definitive evidence that your statement was wrong... Please PROVE me wrong instead of just stating with no evidence that sen was the favorite based on the dictionary definition or everybody thinks that sen was the favorite or it was evenly matched and blah blah blah...
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On May 16 2011 13:29 AlBundy wrote:
d(O.o)a dude I'd LOVE to see you bet on Horse racing... Statistics aren't everything.
Also what's your liquibet rank? Are you one of these 7588 people who were wrong about the Idra vs. Sen matchup?
I don't try with liquibet I vote for my favorite player I simply posted the liquibet stat to prove a point.
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gezuz seems quite daft, d(o.o)a is 100% right. dont really know what gezuz is going on about...
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On May 16 2011 13:33 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 13:30 Gezuz wrote:On May 16 2011 13:25 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 13:20 Gezuz wrote:On May 16 2011 13:14 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 13:08 Gezuz wrote:On May 16 2011 13:05 d(O.o)a wrote:
Favorites are based off of stats as they always have been, skill is measured in wins, not in confidence. Idra was the favorite for the match. if you were to look at Calm vs. Zero in the MSL, They're two players very similar in skill, Zero has 49% in the matchup while calm has 56%. Therefor Calm is the favorite, that's just how it works opinions are nothing more than opinions.
Youre using statistics worse then the guy who wrote "elephant in the room" article Statistics are statistics there's nothing more to it. Idra vs. Sen head to head: 1-0 favoring idra. The only other player that they both played is morrow who sen is 0-1 against and idra is 2-1 against, once again favoring idra. youre both stubborn and ignorant anyways im done replying to your blind revelation posts. gl trying to convince others of your truth hope the dictionary accepts your changes to the word "favorite" Well if you want to bring dictionary definitions into this than idra was the CLEAR favorite: fa·vor·ite noun /ˈfāv(ə)rət/ favorites, plural; favourites, plural A person or thing that is especially popular or particularly well liked by someone - the song is still a favorite after 20 years The competitor thought most likely to win a game or contest, esp. by people betting on the outcome - he was the early favorite to win the South Carolina caucuses You were saying? Youre a true favorite among the people of this thread at posting pretty irrelevent data and statistics. Gj m8 should get a gold medal for being such a trooper trying to force others to believe your silly truth. P:S: ok im truly done now even thou youre so wrong i respect the fact that youre trying to make an argument (even thou many made it clear that youre wrong) What? I just posted definitive evidence that your statement was wrong... Please PROVE me wrong instead of just stating with no evidence that sen was the favorite based on the dictionary definition or everybody thinks that sen was the favorite or it was evenly matched and blah blah blah...
My point and evryone elses was that there was no actual favorite therefore there was no upset.
And your evidence is just same irrelevant data specially the fanfavorite votes of Liquibets
And the dictionary comment was a joke brainiac my god youre just geting too cute
Edit - im too gullible for trolling if it truly makes you feel better then you can think that youre right GZ ! and bye !
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Due to there being 4 players tied at 4-1 in Division 5...
1st. Sen 4-1 (6 points, head-to-head over IdrA)
2nd. IdrA 4-1 (6 points)
3/4th. BoxeR/Socke 4-1 (5 points, no head-to-head yet)
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On May 16 2011 13:37 Gezuz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 13:33 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 13:30 Gezuz wrote:On May 16 2011 13:25 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 13:20 Gezuz wrote:On May 16 2011 13:14 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 13:08 Gezuz wrote:On May 16 2011 13:05 d(O.o)a wrote:
Favorites are based off of stats as they always have been, skill is measured in wins, not in confidence. Idra was the favorite for the match. if you were to look at Calm vs. Zero in the MSL, They're two players very similar in skill, Zero has 49% in the matchup while calm has 56%. Therefor Calm is the favorite, that's just how it works opinions are nothing more than opinions.
Youre using statistics worse then the guy who wrote "elephant in the room" article Statistics are statistics there's nothing more to it. Idra vs. Sen head to head: 1-0 favoring idra. The only other player that they both played is morrow who sen is 0-1 against and idra is 2-1 against, once again favoring idra. youre both stubborn and ignorant anyways im done replying to your blind revelation posts. gl trying to convince others of your truth hope the dictionary accepts your changes to the word "favorite" Well if you want to bring dictionary definitions into this than idra was the CLEAR favorite: fa·vor·ite noun /ˈfāv(ə)rət/ favorites, plural; favourites, plural A person or thing that is especially popular or particularly well liked by someone - the song is still a favorite after 20 years The competitor thought most likely to win a game or contest, esp. by people betting on the outcome - he was the early favorite to win the South Carolina caucuses You were saying? Youre a true favorite among the people of this thread at posting pretty irrelevent data and statistics. Gj m8 should get a gold medal for being such a trooper trying to force others to believe your silly truth. P:S: ok im truly done now even thou youre so wrong i respect the fact that youre trying to make an argument (even thou many made it clear that youre wrong) What? I just posted definitive evidence that your statement was wrong... Please PROVE me wrong instead of just stating with no evidence that sen was the favorite based on the dictionary definition or everybody thinks that sen was the favorite or it was evenly matched and blah blah blah... My point and evryone elses was that there was no actual favorite therefore there was no upset. And your evidence is just same irrelevant data specially the fanfavorite votes of Liquibets And the dictionary comment was a joke brainiac my god youre just geting too cute
irrelevant data? http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/gosubet/96368
Gosubet agrees, nobody has posted any PROOF that sen was a favorite, only made statements that he was.
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