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On May 16 2011 12:56 Frugalicious wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 12:49 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 12:48 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 16 2011 12:47 AimForTheBushes wrote:
Wow - Sen pulling the upset - gj Sen! I wouldn't really call it an upset. Until today idra had lost 1 ZvZ Idra in the foreigner scene had only played 2 top tier Zergs and that was Morrow and Sen in the GCPL, where Idra did beat Sen. Those statistics are meaningless.
Great job reading the whole thread before commenting, I was referring to the fact that idra being the favorite (not by a long-shot but the favorite at all) and losing means that it was an upset, that is what the term means.
On May 16 2011 12:55 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 12:53 Serpico wrote:On May 16 2011 12:53 zerious wrote:On May 16 2011 12:49 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 12:48 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 16 2011 12:47 AimForTheBushes wrote:
Wow - Sen pulling the upset - gj Sen! I wouldn't really call it an upset. Until today idra had lost 1 ZvZ Except for some names, not the most impressive list of players he has beaten. is he supposed to play nestea/dimaga/sen/losira every day? You're missing the point. Sure he only lost 1 ZvZ, but it was such a small sample size. Idra said himself this is the match that worried him the most. This by no means was an upset.
Read above please. Who's missing the point?
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On May 16 2011 12:56 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 12:53 Zannadar wrote:
Sen wins the game.
Our casters go on to talk about how idra lost the game for 10 mins .
15 seconds of congratulations to Sen.
You guys gotta give the credit where it's due. Wanted to comment on this too. Like, Sen went for a fast 3rd and IdrA attacked it, but didn't do enough damage. Game concludes, and InControl goes on about IdrA's mindset and things of that for several minutes. Completely unnecessary. This was not IdrA dropping a game to a scrub while playing terribly. He lost to Sen in a 2-1 series.
Idra is the more popular player. You cater to the larger part of the audience. Such as why the Dallas Cowboys are talked about collapsing rather than the Seahawks winning the game.
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Yup. Sen is a beast, and beat Idra fairly handily. I would like to hear more about what Sen did right, rather than what Idra did wrong.
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On May 16 2011 12:58 Doraemon wrote:
sen you monster
lol I read that in GLaDOS voice
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On May 16 2011 12:58 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 12:56 Frugalicious wrote:On May 16 2011 12:49 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 12:48 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 16 2011 12:47 AimForTheBushes wrote:
Wow - Sen pulling the upset - gj Sen! I wouldn't really call it an upset. Until today idra had lost 1 ZvZ Idra in the foreigner scene had only played 2 top tier Zergs and that was Morrow and Sen in the GCPL, where Idra did beat Sen. Those statistics are meaningless. Great job reading the whole thread before commenting, I was referring to the fact that idra being the favorite (not by a long-shot but the favorite at all) and losing means that it was an upset, that is what the term means. Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 12:55 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 16 2011 12:53 Serpico wrote:On May 16 2011 12:53 zerious wrote:On May 16 2011 12:49 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 12:48 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 16 2011 12:47 AimForTheBushes wrote:
Wow - Sen pulling the upset - gj Sen! I wouldn't really call it an upset. Until today idra had lost 1 ZvZ Except for some names, not the most impressive list of players he has beaten. is he supposed to play nestea/dimaga/sen/losira every day? You're missing the point. Sure he only lost 1 ZvZ, but it was such a small sample size. Idra said himself this is the match that worried him the most. This by no means was an upset. Read above please. Who's missing the point?
The point is that Idra wasn't the favorite to a lot of people. Many believed it to be an even match.
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On May 16 2011 12:58 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 12:56 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On May 16 2011 12:53 Zannadar wrote:
Sen wins the game.
Our casters go on to talk about how idra lost the game for 10 mins .
15 seconds of congratulations to Sen.
You guys gotta give the credit where it's due. Wanted to comment on this too. Like, Sen went for a fast 3rd and IdrA attacked it, but didn't do enough damage. Game concludes, and InControl goes on about IdrA's mindset and things of that for several minutes. Completely unnecessary. This was not IdrA dropping a game to a scrub while playing terribly. He lost to Sen in a 2-1 series. Idra is the more popular player. You cater to the larger part of the audience. Such as why the Dallas Cowboys are talked about collapsing rather than the Seahawks winning the game.
My point being, IdrA didn't collapse. They made it sounds like IdrA had some mental breakdown and threw the game away in some epic meltdown. He lost a straight up game 3 by taking a risk. It happens pretty often. Analyzing the risk is one thing, but the way the conversation was framed seemed more like making excuses and being critical of IdrA's mindset, when nothing in that game 3 should lead anybody to that conclusion.
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On May 16 2011 13:00 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 12:58 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 12:56 Frugalicious wrote:On May 16 2011 12:49 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 12:48 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 16 2011 12:47 AimForTheBushes wrote:
Wow - Sen pulling the upset - gj Sen! I wouldn't really call it an upset. Until today idra had lost 1 ZvZ Idra in the foreigner scene had only played 2 top tier Zergs and that was Morrow and Sen in the GCPL, where Idra did beat Sen. Those statistics are meaningless. Great job reading the whole thread before commenting, I was referring to the fact that idra being the favorite (not by a long-shot but the favorite at all) and losing means that it was an upset, that is what the term means. On May 16 2011 12:55 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 16 2011 12:53 Serpico wrote:On May 16 2011 12:53 zerious wrote:On May 16 2011 12:49 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 12:48 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 16 2011 12:47 AimForTheBushes wrote:
Wow - Sen pulling the upset - gj Sen! I wouldn't really call it an upset. Until today idra had lost 1 ZvZ Except for some names, not the most impressive list of players he has beaten. is he supposed to play nestea/dimaga/sen/losira every day? You're missing the point. Sure he only lost 1 ZvZ, but it was such a small sample size. Idra said himself this is the match that worried him the most. This by no means was an upset. Read above please. Who's missing the point? The point is that Idra wasn't the favorite to a lot of people. Many believed it to be an even match.
So if many people believed inca vs. nestea was an even match that makes it so? Fact of the matter is idra was the slight favorite.
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On May 16 2011 13:00 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 13:00 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 16 2011 12:58 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 12:56 Frugalicious wrote:On May 16 2011 12:49 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 12:48 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 16 2011 12:47 AimForTheBushes wrote:
Wow - Sen pulling the upset - gj Sen! I wouldn't really call it an upset. Until today idra had lost 1 ZvZ Idra in the foreigner scene had only played 2 top tier Zergs and that was Morrow and Sen in the GCPL, where Idra did beat Sen. Those statistics are meaningless. Great job reading the whole thread before commenting, I was referring to the fact that idra being the favorite (not by a long-shot but the favorite at all) and losing means that it was an upset, that is what the term means. On May 16 2011 12:55 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 16 2011 12:53 Serpico wrote:On May 16 2011 12:53 zerious wrote:On May 16 2011 12:49 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 12:48 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 16 2011 12:47 AimForTheBushes wrote:
Wow - Sen pulling the upset - gj Sen! I wouldn't really call it an upset. Until today idra had lost 1 ZvZ Except for some names, not the most impressive list of players he has beaten. is he supposed to play nestea/dimaga/sen/losira every day? You're missing the point. Sure he only lost 1 ZvZ, but it was such a small sample size. Idra said himself this is the match that worried him the most. This by no means was an upset. Read above please. Who's missing the point? The point is that Idra wasn't the favorite to a lot of people. Many believed it to be an even match. So if many people believed inca vs. nestea was an even match that makes it so? Fact of the matter is idra was the slight favorite.
Thats exactly why this wasnt an upset
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Come on guys, Idra was not the favorite...
Heck, even Idra himself said that he wasn't confident against Sen. He also said that as he practices on NA, and Sen practices on KR, Idra was worried about being behind in the ZvZ metagame.
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On May 16 2011 12:55 Clog wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 12:53 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 12:52 1Eris1 wrote:On May 16 2011 12:51 AimForTheBushes wrote:On May 16 2011 12:47 cca1ss1e wrote:
lol, loved that person who said sen didnt have a chance since idra's "knows ZvZ so much better than sen."
lmao.. ggs.. entertaining.
XD I still stand behind that fully. In recent games, Idra was 17-1 (now 18-3) in ZvZ..while Sen was an unimpressive 12-7 (now 14-8). The stats don't lie, you can reference what Idra did to Sheth in their recent showmatch for further proof. Sen just had Idra's number today, whether it be from better strategy/preparation, or Idra mentally beating himself..one 2-1 series win isn't nearly enough to convince me otherwise. Yeah really. IdrA made a big mistake with the supply block, that cost him the game there. Sen wasn't amazingly outclassing him there, if Idra didn't make that mistake (which he normally doesn't) the match is way way closer Idra's biggest mistake was over-droning the third he went up to 73 drones to sen's 55, if he had 18 more roaches that battle would've been in his favor. Gamble that didn't pay off =/= mistake As InC said, he probably thought Sen was going to drone up
That's pretty idiotic way to think, with that mindset pretty much nothing else but supply block is a mistake, if even that (you could think that one hoped that his units will die before raising supply cap).
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On May 16 2011 13:00 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 13:00 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 16 2011 12:58 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 12:56 Frugalicious wrote:On May 16 2011 12:49 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 12:48 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 16 2011 12:47 AimForTheBushes wrote:
Wow - Sen pulling the upset - gj Sen! I wouldn't really call it an upset. Until today idra had lost 1 ZvZ Idra in the foreigner scene had only played 2 top tier Zergs and that was Morrow and Sen in the GCPL, where Idra did beat Sen. Those statistics are meaningless. Great job reading the whole thread before commenting, I was referring to the fact that idra being the favorite (not by a long-shot but the favorite at all) and losing means that it was an upset, that is what the term means. On May 16 2011 12:55 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 16 2011 12:53 Serpico wrote:On May 16 2011 12:53 zerious wrote:On May 16 2011 12:49 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 12:48 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 16 2011 12:47 AimForTheBushes wrote:
Wow - Sen pulling the upset - gj Sen! I wouldn't really call it an upset. Until today idra had lost 1 ZvZ Except for some names, not the most impressive list of players he has beaten. is he supposed to play nestea/dimaga/sen/losira every day? You're missing the point. Sure he only lost 1 ZvZ, but it was such a small sample size. Idra said himself this is the match that worried him the most. This by no means was an upset. Read above please. Who's missing the point? The point is that Idra wasn't the favorite to a lot of people. Many believed it to be an even match. So if many people believed inca vs. nestea was an even match that makes it so? Fact of the matter is idra was the slight favorite.
The reason people didn't think Idra wasn't the favorite is because its such an even match. There is logic behind the thought. Thinking Inca and Nestea is an even match has no logic behind it.
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On May 16 2011 13:00 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 13:00 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 16 2011 12:58 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 12:56 Frugalicious wrote:On May 16 2011 12:49 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 12:48 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 16 2011 12:47 AimForTheBushes wrote:
Wow - Sen pulling the upset - gj Sen! I wouldn't really call it an upset. Until today idra had lost 1 ZvZ Idra in the foreigner scene had only played 2 top tier Zergs and that was Morrow and Sen in the GCPL, where Idra did beat Sen. Those statistics are meaningless. Great job reading the whole thread before commenting, I was referring to the fact that idra being the favorite (not by a long-shot but the favorite at all) and losing means that it was an upset, that is what the term means. On May 16 2011 12:55 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 16 2011 12:53 Serpico wrote:On May 16 2011 12:53 zerious wrote:On May 16 2011 12:49 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 12:48 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 16 2011 12:47 AimForTheBushes wrote:
Wow - Sen pulling the upset - gj Sen! I wouldn't really call it an upset. Until today idra had lost 1 ZvZ Except for some names, not the most impressive list of players he has beaten. is he supposed to play nestea/dimaga/sen/losira every day? You're missing the point. Sure he only lost 1 ZvZ, but it was such a small sample size. Idra said himself this is the match that worried him the most. This by no means was an upset. Read above please. Who's missing the point? The point is that Idra wasn't the favorite to a lot of people. Many believed it to be an even match. So if many people believed inca vs. nestea was an even match that makes it so? Fact of the matter is idra was the slight favorite.
The problem with that argument is that:
1) no one ever thought that Inca vs Nestea is an even match,
2) no matter what people thought, sen vs idra was an even match when you look at it objectively which you refuse to do.
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On May 16 2011 12:58 SeraKuDA wrote:
Yup. Sen is a beast, and beat Idra fairly handily. I would like to hear more about what Sen did right, rather than what Idra did wrong.
Yeah, it's a bit unfair to Sen, but basically:
Game 2: Sen did a safer build, and cut drones for fast roaches when he scouted Idra's ling count, expecting ling or ling baneling play. Idra went for ling baneling on a map with a small choke and hoped to do damage but ended up blowing 4-5 banes on a roach, after which Sen was up a base and tech and was impenetrable to zerglings. Idra puts down an expo but thinks about who he's facing and then ggs. Sen's drone spread was what really won him the game though if Idra didn't blow his banes on roaches he probably would've done more damage.
Game 3: Sen did a more defensive, econ-based build, forcing Idra into an uncomfortable roach aggression that he ended up failing because Sen had the defender's advantage and two great fungal growths on Idra's roach army. Even though Sen didn't have a good concave he won that fight handily and had plenty of roaches left over. He then made the game winning decision of going for an all-out roach infestor attack, exploiting the fact that as Idra fell behind, his natural instincts kicked in and he over-droned.
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On May 16 2011 12:57 Tracedragon wrote:
Oh come on, IdrA got outplayed... why is any further discussion required?
The only win he took off of Sen in this series was with a 9pool spine crawler rush, fyi.
First off, sen is awesome and a beast.
But secondly, what do you mean "the only win he took off of Sen..." It was a best of 3 dood. If he took off another game, he would have won...
IdrA and Sen are the best foreign zergs, both are able to take games off of each other in micro and macro games. I wouldn't read too much into a best of 3.
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i don't think being a slight favorite and losing is considered an upset.
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On May 16 2011 13:00 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 13:00 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 16 2011 12:58 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 12:56 Frugalicious wrote:On May 16 2011 12:49 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 12:48 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 16 2011 12:47 AimForTheBushes wrote:
Wow - Sen pulling the upset - gj Sen! I wouldn't really call it an upset. Until today idra had lost 1 ZvZ Idra in the foreigner scene had only played 2 top tier Zergs and that was Morrow and Sen in the GCPL, where Idra did beat Sen. Those statistics are meaningless. Great job reading the whole thread before commenting, I was referring to the fact that idra being the favorite (not by a long-shot but the favorite at all) and losing means that it was an upset, that is what the term means. On May 16 2011 12:55 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 16 2011 12:53 Serpico wrote:On May 16 2011 12:53 zerious wrote:On May 16 2011 12:49 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 12:48 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 16 2011 12:47 AimForTheBushes wrote:
What a terrible analogy. No one would ever think Inca Vs Nestea is m even match while it's absolutely fair and agreed upon by many that Sen vs Idra is a pretty even match.
What a terrible analogy. No one would assume Inca vs. Nestea is an even match, while saying Idra vs Sen is even is a fair thing to say and probably agreed upon by many people.
Wow - Sen pulling the upset - gj Sen! I wouldn't really call it an upset. Until today idra had lost 1 ZvZ Except for some names, not the most impressive list of players he has beaten. is he supposed to play nestea/dimaga/sen/losira every day? You're missing the point. Sure he only lost 1 ZvZ, but it was such a small sample size. Idra said himself this is the match that worried him the most. This by no means was an upset. Read above please. Who's missing the point? The point is that Idra wasn't the favorite to a lot of people. Many believed it to be an even match. So if many people believed inca vs. nestea was an even match that makes it so? Fact of the matter is idra was the slight favorite.
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