EPTThat's definitely not to say I'm opposed to having any Korean players in the NASL, just like they're not opposed to having foreigners in the GSL. I think I would just rather have GSL & NASL feel like very different tournaments. That's what it comes down to for me; I'd rather see GSL & NASL have different rosters than have the absolute best of the best.
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Z-R0E
United States147 Posts
That's definitely not to say I'm opposed to having any Korean players in the NASL, just like they're not opposed to having foreigners in the GSL. I think I would just rather have GSL & NASL feel like very different tournaments. That's what it comes down to for me; I'd rather see GSL & NASL have different rosters than have the absolute best of the best. | ||
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zeru
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DiaBoLuS
Germany1638 Posts
but letting all koreans participate would be too much imo. GSL-LA? no, we dont need that. i think the best thing would be to make it 15 EU / 10 NA / 10 KR+Foreign / 20 ppl chosen by international Qualifications on NA servers. or sth in this direction | ||
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
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TemplarCo.
Mexico2870 Posts
Because if you see at tournaments like IEM, koreans have a lot of extra training than players from EU, Sjow, Socke, WhiteRa So just a few koreans in there would be nice. IMO | ||
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DiaBoLuS
Germany1638 Posts
On March 16 2011 07:13 TemplarCo. wrote: I think that NASL should invite some koreans but not the tip top players aka BoxeR, MC, NaDa, etc., maybe the top 8 Code A finishers. Because if you see at tournaments like IEM, koreans have a lot of extra training than players from EU, Sjow, Socke, WhiteRa So just a few koreans in there would be nice. IMO IdrA, code S forever, also failed to the non-codeA-koreans. you cant judge from one groupstage rly. | ||
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Tyree
1508 Posts
If their goal is the growth of foreign teams, how does having a finals full of koreans help them in any way? Your way of "growing" foreign teams is by sheltering them away from koreans? That does the oppossite effect, it outright nulifies the entire tournament if you arent inviting the very best. Imagine the pure shitstorm had GOM said "we can only have X foreigners in GSL Code S and A", you people would riot. Americans can be pretty patroitic people, but even i believe they rather have oGsMC face Nestea in a final, than watching some american guys who got there because they were protected the entire way. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On March 16 2011 06:59 Bagi wrote: Voted for 5 very best koreans, I think 5-10 Koreans sounds about right. Obviously having a league with 50% Koreans just because you wanted "the best players" is not a good idea either. Why not? Since when are sports no longer about competition or being the best? Since when has there been any sport that said "we're going to limit the number of <insert nationality here> because they're too good". Since when did any sport claim their tournament to be a Starleague whilst excluding the best players? The notion that Koreans shouldn't be invited because they're better is fucking pathetic. Seriously, they're not better because they're somehow genetically superior in gaming, they're better because they train harder than anyone else. If you exclude Koreans from the NASL you're basically telling the winner he's the best amongst the noobs, congrats. The argument that the only way to become as good as the Koreans is to avoid comepting against them ... is just incredibly funny, in a sad way. The same separation existed in BW, everyone knows how that panned out. | ||
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Rokk
United States425 Posts
On March 16 2011 07:09 OmniscientSC2 wrote: Invite the top Koreans (MC, July, MVP, Nestea), crowd/fan favorites (Idra, Artosis, Catz, Destiny, etc), and let the rest qualify. If I want to watch a SC2 league with the best games/players, I'll watch GSL. If I want to be entertained through interviews, unique gameplay, and be able to cheer on my favorite players, I'd rather watch NASL (and even pay for it). If you want to give new blood a chance to participate in the game, I'd be pretty cool to host regional offline qualifiers. Qualify how? There are no qualifiers for the first tournament. It's entirely invitational. Saying you can't have unique gameplay or favorite players among the Korean playerbase is disingenuous. | ||
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
On March 16 2011 07:12 Pokebunny wrote: Null? My opinion is based entirely off what I'd rather watch. Take it however you'd like, if you don't care, then whatever. Rather watch is thus based on subjective evidence rather than actual content. If you slapped korean level games such as July mutalisk harass but you had IdrA playing it? You'd be all over it even more? That's not fair to the scene or the players in it. Personally as a spectator I'm color blind. I don't care who is playing as long as I am watching interesting games, it just happens that 90% of those are korean pro amtches. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
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Augury
United States758 Posts
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absalom86
Iceland1770 Posts
On March 16 2011 07:00 Naniwa wrote: let them come, no point if not the absolute best is there  ))qft | ||
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Juxx
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On March 16 2011 07:07 Pokebunny wrote: I've stated a million times this has nothing to do with my interests as a player, purely as a spectator. I don't expect to get in either way. There's foreigner only tournaments running all the time you can watch. If there's going to be a 100k prize per month you want the best simple as that; The top EU/NA players are on salary anyway so they can afford to practice just as much as Koreans. If they still lose? Then they were not good enough. | ||
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Scrandom
Canada2819 Posts
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On March 16 2011 07:15 infinity2k9 wrote: There's foreigner only tournaments running all the time you can watch. If there's going to be a 100k prize per month you want the best simple as that; The top EU/NA players are on salary anyway so they can afford to practice just as much as Koreans. If they still lose? Then they were not good enough. I want to see more people, not just the top 16 in the world being able to make anything close to an average living. | ||
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HowSoOnIsNow
Canada480 Posts
On March 16 2011 07:00 Naniwa wrote: let them come, no point if not the absolute best is there ))You know what dude, i never liked you, but with that comment alone, you gained my respect. Balls of steel. Thats a perfect example of a guy who takes the whole Esports thing seriously. He wants to be matched versus the best. | ||
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
On March 16 2011 07:03 I_Love_Bacon wrote: The argument has 2 main components. 1: Familiarity. Many of the people who will be competing in the NASL are people who legitimately interact with THIS community. They do interviews, stream, post on these very forums, etc... many of them have a fan base for their personality, not just their gaming abilities. Because of that, adding in the Koreans, who are very, very different in that regard, don't mesh as well. 2: People want to see the NASL and MLG (or any other tournaments) be able to succeed. To have long term success, the player skill has to grow higher than it is now, closer (or at) the GSL level. In order to facilitate that, allowing few or no Koreans increases the likelihood of a foreigner winning more prize money. This encourages the player to be able to play SC2 professionally, and not just as a hobby. When this happens, ideally more and more people can then get team houses and legitimately compete at the top level of the GSL players when they are allowed to dedicate themselves to the game. Then, after this has happened, then restrictions wont even be needed. Somebody earlier mentioned protectionism as an example from economics and I think it's a fairly solid example of what their goals are. 1) I completely dont understand this. WhiteRa doesn't interact much with the english speaking community because of the language barrier but I'd much rather see him play in NASL than some random featured streamer like destiny or orb. 2) This argument hurts my brain. Somebody shouldn't be dependent on the NASL for income. the NASL would be like the world series of poker main event, it would be get rich fast money but it wouldn't be a reliable/constant source of income. | ||
Sain
Lebanon25 Posts
On March 16 2011 07:07 Pokebunny wrote: I've stated a million times this has nothing to do with my interests as a player, purely as a spectator. I don't expect to get in either way. As a spectator why would you want anything less than the best? You don't want to see how players do against Koreans? Even if Koreans come in and start dominating that is the only way to see the skill gap between the players, there is no other way for players to close that gap without playing vs the best, but we don't know if that will even happen. If Koreans actually want to play in the league than the more the merrier as it would expose us to more information on play styles and broaden everyones view of SC2 which would in turn make everyone better. | ||
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