EPTUgh, Justin.tv ads - Page 2
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
On March 11 2011 14:02 Kennigit wrote: This doesn't sound like a problem with justin.tv at all. You as a consumer of streaming content can chose who you watch - if you don't like what you are seeing, you have an unbelievable selection. I would encourage you guys not to use adblock - a viewer with no ads is not better than no viewer at all. Its astounding to see so many threads by people asking HOW CAN WE SUPPORT ESPORTS HUE HUE?? who cant be bothered to sit through a few ads every hour....amazing. People like to contribute as long as its not inconvenient for themselves. Unfortunately, free-riding is far too tempting :/. | ||
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Hellhammer
Canada144 Posts
On March 11 2011 12:21 a176 wrote: I wanted to take a chance to express my disdain for justin.tv streamers. Firstly, I'd like to say that I do appreciate justin.tv for providing a quality streaming service with many amazing features; providing different stream qualities through the server, great mobile support, excellent chat rooms, and a relatively bug-free experience. However, the introduction of wide spread ad support for jtv "Producers" is completely ruining the viewing experience for me. I'd like to think its good that they are getting some coin in return for providing me with some entertainment, but its getting way out of hand. Many streamers take the initiative to /commercial at any and every opportunity and a person can only take watching the same windows mobile phone commerical so many times. Really, its not a problem with the ads themselves, but how invasive they are. I'm not sure why they can't be more banner-like as you see on regular websites. Hell, I don't think I would care if they ran a nonstop video banner stream below the main stream, just as long as it doesn't uncontrollably blow up in my face. And of course, I also wonder about the revenue sharing, especially if the players are getting any money from the streamers, for providing the content in the first place. Does the frequency of ads on these streams bother anyone else? Thanks for reading. I hated them. I installed chrome ad-block. Problem solved. The rare time some get through, but you can spend time setting up how to block those, too. | ||
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DeckOneBell
United States526 Posts
No. How do we have free streams? Ads. What ads are effective? Full-screen. Also everyone with ad-blocker is NOT a viewer in terms of monetary gain. You can just choose not to watch the free stream provided to you by somebody else for your enjoyment, for you know, free. I mega-agree with Kennigit. | ||
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Hellhammer
Canada144 Posts
On March 11 2011 14:02 Kennigit wrote: This doesn't sound like a problem with justin.tv at all. You as a consumer of streaming content can chose who you watch - if you don't like what you are seeing, you have an unbelievable selection. I would encourage you guys not to use adblock - a viewer with no ads is not better than no viewer at all. Its astounding to see so many threads by people asking HOW CAN WE SUPPORT ESPORTS HUE HUE?? who cant be bothered to sit through a few ads every hour....amazing. How is watching advertisements on a stream supporting esports? (popular name) has 2k viewers so he runs ads for his own pocket. I watch them to support esports? Not at all. I sit through them so I can entertain myself or learn something from a better player. Watching ads from events like GSL or IEM etc would be supporting esports. OP is saying that greed is becoming an issue. In fact, slapping a stream full of ads is doing the very opposite of supporting esports. When a new player watches a stream, they will become turned off by the constant ads. If there were no ads on these streams, then players would find these streams even more enjoyable and spread the word to their friends. I have no problem watching ads on heavy tournaments that rely on advertising money, but for an individual player to pocket the money and to even THINK that they are supporting esports is revolting. | ||
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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
On March 11 2011 16:29 Hellhammer wrote: How is watching advertisements on a stream supporting esports? (popular name) has 2k viewers so he runs ads for his own pocket. I watch them to support esports? Not at all. I sit through them so I can entertain myself or learn something from a better player. Watching ads from events like GSL or IEM etc would be supporting esports. OP is saying that greed is becoming an issue. In fact, slapping a stream full of ads is doing the very opposite of supporting esports. When a new player watches a stream, they will become turned off by the constant ads. If there were no ads on these streams, then players would find these streams even more enjoyable and spread the word to their friends. I have no problem watching ads on heavy tournaments that rely on advertising money, but for an individual player to pocket the money and to even THINK that they are supporting esports is revolting. Where do you think (popular name) gets his money to pay the electricity, pay the internet (most likely a more expensive connection to upload) from if Starcraft 2 pro-gaming is their job? Not every pro-gamer has a wealthy team to pay all of their bills. Just keep in mind for most of these pro-gamers, the ad money generated goes straight back to paying for their internet connection, or for the electricity bell, or for the microphone/computer they paid for just to stream for you. It's not like they're spending stream ad revenue for fancy private jets, their house in the bahamas, etc etc. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On March 11 2011 16:44 echO [W] wrote: Where do you think (popular name) gets his money to pay the electricity, pay the internet (most likely a more expensive connection to upload) from if Starcraft 2 pro-gaming is their job? Not every pro-gamer has a wealthy team to pay all of their bills. Just keep in mind for most of these pro-gamers, the ad money generated goes straight back to paying for their internet connection, or for the electricity bell, or for the microphone/computer they paid for just to stream for you. It's not like they're spending stream ad revenue for fancy private jets, their house in the bahamas, etc etc. All of this plus more, for example it allows streams like mine to fund prize pools for tournaments, get better internet for better quality, and provide you with a shit ton on entertainment with 5% of the ads of normal TV in the US. These ads are what is keeping things free, without them everyone would end up moving to subscription models. Also no ads is not an option, no streaming company would ever allow that, they have to make their $ back too, remember partner programs are not 100% of the profits, or even close to 100%, Justin TV/Ustream/Own3d/Whatever get a nice portion of the $ also so they can keep their sites free too. That is how these companies exist. | ||
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AnotherEon
United Kingdom250 Posts
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Dhalphir
Australia1305 Posts
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flyersa
Germany141 Posts
 I honestly would like to know how much people like day9 really get from justin. On the other hand i must say quality seem to have improved a bit from europe. and support for esport is always great, but no doubt there are commercial interests behind it and they dont do it for charity | ||
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Ipp
United States456 Posts
If you don't like the ads you can switch to JTV Pro and go ad free. I personally did because I throw streams up on my TV and the boxee browser doesn't exactly like flash ads for some reason. | ||
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DND_Enkil
Sweden598 Posts
On March 11 2011 21:01 Ipp wrote: If you don't like the ads you can switch to JTV Pro and go ad free. I personally did because I throw streams up on my TV and the boxee browser doesn't exactly like flash ads for some reason. This times a thousand. If you do not like the ads, do not watch the stream. If you want to watch the stream without ads buy a JTV premium account. If you want to watch the stream free without paying for it be a douche and use adblock. Personally i tend to shy away from streams that use ads more than once every 15 minute. | ||
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Herrmann
United States65 Posts
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rakura
United States183 Posts
Gosu Crew personally only runs one every 30 minutes. We do this more for demographics and our records then the coin as the pay isn't all that great. | ||
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AskJoshy
United States1625 Posts
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Char711
United States862 Posts
1) TL doesn't block the ads. You have some type of ad-block on. It would be against the TL philosophy to block them in some way (or against JTV's interests to block it on embedded streams, as that just makes no sense) -- note the plaintive horse banner that pops up on TL if they're not on your white-list. 2) Chrome doesn't yet have the ability to block video ads like in JTV because Google hasn't added it into the architecture yet. It isn't a problem with your extensions. It will be added soon by all accounts (I've seen Google employees saying it in the Google support forums for Google Code). 3) It makes no sense to say ads don't help eSports. How the hell can you say that? Why should any progamer put their practice online where their opponents can see it when they make their living off of winning games!? Please try to argue against that, I'd love to see you try. They're giving you content and you refuse to watch a couple ads? Seriously!? Do you avoid Hulu and stuff, too? If it bothers you that much then use Firefox with ad-block, but don't spread the opinion that ads are harmful. Thanks for trying to get people to stop streaming (in other words: shut the hell up). So, yeah, my one real complaint with it is that you get the same ad over and over and over again. Hell, I'm so tired of seeing that "Someday Lounge" Win7 phone thing that I want to scream. If they fixed that it would be great. How can you not be okay with ads popping up after every game or so? Some games go 20 or 30 minutes! You're getting like 1/30 of the ads that you do with TV and around 1/2 of the ones on Hulu! Not only that, but you're getting a "behind the scenes" half of the time with the player talking to you and then interacting with you and answering questions!' If you understand anything about revenue streams on the Internet or the state of eSports then you should be fine with ads. Suck it up, support the players you love and just be glad you're not paying for all of this. /end rant | ||
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On March 11 2011 14:00 Z3kk wrote: Adblock works fine on firefox but doesn't work for some reason on chrome, and chrome is my browser of choice at the moment so I have to suffer through the ads T_T I started using firefox for streams. I still browse with chrome but the amount of /commercial is getting out of hand. With ustream I would watch the commercial at the start but on jtv streams I just open them in firefox from now on. Sorry for the dudes who don't abuse it as often as others | ||
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Entropic
Canada2837 Posts
Seriously people. | ||
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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
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