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I wanted to take a chance to express my disdain for justin.tv streamers. Firstly, I'd like to say that I do appreciate justin.tv for providing a quality streaming service with many amazing features; providing different stream qualities through the server, great mobile support, excellent chat rooms, and a relatively bug-free experience.
However, the introduction of wide spread ad support for jtv "Producers" is completely ruining the viewing experience for me. I'd like to think its good that they are getting some coin in return for providing me with some entertainment, but its getting way out of hand. Many streamers take the initiative to /commercial at any and every opportunity and a person can only take watching the same windows mobile phone commerical so many times.
Really, its not a problem with the ads themselves, but how invasive they are. I'm not sure why they can't be more banner-like as you see on regular websites. Hell, I don't think I would care if they ran a nonstop video banner stream below the main stream, just as long as it doesn't uncontrollably blow up in my face.
And of course, I also wonder about the revenue sharing, especially if the players are getting any money from the streamers, for providing the content in the first place.
Does the frequency of ads on these streams bother anyone else?
Thanks for reading.
 
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Doesn't bother me. Most of the people I watch only post an ad once after every ladder game and that seems fair to me. Slightly less frequent than regular TV ads, even. If i'm annoyed by it i just alt tab or something.
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I agree with OP. I am completely supportive of ads themselves, as a source of revenue, no problem at all. But when they completely jolt my user experience I find myself just closing the window more often than not. I don't think they realise just how negative the impact is.
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On March 11 2011 12:21 a176 wrote:
I wanted to take a chance to express my disdain for justin.tv streamers. Firstly, I'd like to say that I do appreciate justin.tv for providing a quality streaming service with many amazing features; providing different stream qualities through the server, great mobile support, excellent chat rooms, and a relatively bug-free experience.
However, the introduction of wide spread ad support for jtv "Producers" is completely ruining the viewing experience for me. I'd like to think its good that they are getting some coin in return for providing me with some entertainment, but its getting way out of hand. Many streamers take the initiative to /commercial at any and every opportunity and a person can only take watching the same windows mobile phone commerical so many times.
Really, its not a problem with the ads themselves, but how invasive they are. I'm not sure why they can't be more banner-like as you see on regular websites. Hell, I don't think I would care if they ran a nonstop video banner stream below the main stream, just as long as it doesn't uncontrollably blow up in my face.
And of course, I also wonder about the revenue sharing, especially if the players are getting any money from the streamers, for providing the content in the first place.
Does the frequency of ads on these streams bother anyone else?
Thanks for reading.
I can enlighten you on this. Ad revenue is one of the main methods of making money for streams, and is a somewhat reliable thing. However the obnoxious full screen ones pay the most. The banner style ads pay much less then full video ads. So like for example on our channel we totally removed the banner ads, and just use full screen ones only because the little amount gained from banner ads was not worth the distraction.
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I actually prefer that the streamers get to say when and when they can't /commercial. Some streamers have good sense when it comes to this - they'll put the ads up in between games when there's nothing interesting going on, etc. but some others are a bit more annoying with it.
Easiest thing to do - don't support the players who are excessive about showing ads.
It'd also be nice to see some more variance in ads - especially to things that I'd actually think about buying as opposed to random bing ad #175, but I guess that's moreso what sponsors justin.tv attracts instead.
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United States7481 Posts
I have a question about the jtv ads: if I have adblock on (so the ads don't show) but have the stream on (so I'm counted as a viewer) do I count for the purpose of ad payout? I assume payout is calculated based off the amount of viewers but I'm unsure if people with adblock are discounted as they should be.
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On March 11 2011 12:21 a176 wrote:
I wanted to take a chance to express my disdain for justin.tv streamers. Firstly, I'd like to say that I do appreciate justin.tv for providing a quality streaming service with many amazing features; providing different stream qualities through the server, great mobile support, excellent chat rooms, and a relatively bug-free experience.
However, the introduction of wide spread ad support for jtv "Producers" is completely ruining the viewing experience for me. I'd like to think its good that they are getting some coin in return for providing me with some entertainment, but its getting way out of hand. Many streamers take the initiative to /commercial at any and every opportunity and a person can only take watching the same windows mobile phone commerical so many times.
Really, its not a problem with the ads themselves, but how invasive they are. I'm not sure why they can't be more banner-like as you see on regular websites. Hell, I don't think I would care if they ran a nonstop video banner stream below the main stream, just as long as it doesn't uncontrollably blow up in my face.
And of course, I also wonder about the revenue sharing, especially if the players are getting any money from the streamers, for providing the content in the first place.
Does the frequency of ads on these streams bother anyone else?
Thanks for reading.
No, the ad's don't bother me. I like it when the streamer gets to choose when to /commercial. They always do it during their downtime, my chat window is still open so I can still talk/mod the channels. So its perfectly fine. I much like this system rather than LiveStream's stupid watch an ad now or in 15 minutes. Or anything with random ads showing up at a certain time which is lousy and a pain in the ass especially if it pops up during something big and momentous.
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if they're annoying with their /commercial i'll often just enable ABP. generally when they aren't stupid with their commercials i'll disable it to support them.
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On March 11 2011 12:34 wooozy wrote:
if they're annoying with their /commercial i'll often just enable ABP. generally when they aren't stupid with their commercials i'll disable it to support them.
For my viewing experience and the streamers I watch, no one has come remotely close to being annoying w/ their /commercial. I think any of the good streamers and anyone high profile won't be stupid. They know how far they can /commercial without it being annoying.
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how come i don't see the ads ever? does this only happen with US viewers
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I just open the stream and mute/minimize the browser its playing on, then use my main browser with ABP to watch it without the annoyance. Not really a solution for those with crappy connection but if you can do it why not. 
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If you watch on TL, you don't get ads. It's handy if you don't want to, but I usually watch on justin.tv because I want them to get money.
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I dunno, they usually "/commercial" after each game, if you mute the stream when they win/lose a game the following ad will be muted as well. then all you have to do is open a tab and wait a few seconds. But to be honest, commercials are 30sec at the most; you really can't miss much during that 30sec--at least it's not like TV where ads last like five minutes.
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Ads = money. The more invasive they are the more money is generated.
If you don't like the ads, vote with your feet and don't support the streamers who show the invasive ones.
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On March 11 2011 12:52 Munk-E wrote:
If you watch on TL, you don't get ads. It's handy if you don't want to, but I usually watch on justin.tv because I want them to get money.
This explains a lot. I thought that it had something to do with my region, but this makes a lot more sense. Yay TL!
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I have never saw a streamer that that showed too many ads. Most streams I watch just show an ad after each game, doesn't bother me at all and it is nice knowing that they get some money for what they do.
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I usually hang out with Cella's stream and people there always asks for commercials ( show how we love cella so much), its fine with me, but for some reason, i can't get the commercials that i wanted . 
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As with any streamign service, you can use adblock to remove the ads. Sure, it takes away support, but a viewer with no ads is better then no viewer at all in my book.
But think of it as if you were the one streaming. From the perspective, it makes sense.
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my streaming life improved so much since i got adblock. honestly those derek fisher first five california adds were making me rage so hard. during assembly i had three streams open and they would just come on randomly and were sooo loud. NEVER AGAIN.
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Adblock works fine on firefox but doesn't work for some reason on chrome, and chrome is my browser of choice at the moment so I have to suffer through the ads T_T
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
This doesn't sound like a problem with justin.tv at all. You as a consumer of streaming content can chose who you watch - if you don't like what you are seeing, you have an unbelievable selection. I would encourage you guys not to use adblock - a viewer with no ads is not better than no viewer at all. Its astounding to see so many threads by people asking HOW CAN WE SUPPORT ESPORTS HUE HUE?? who cant be bothered to sit through a few ads every hour....amazing.
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On March 11 2011 14:02 Kennigit wrote:
This doesn't sound like a problem with justin.tv at all. You as a consumer of streaming content can chose who you watch - if you don't like what you are seeing, you have an unbelievable selection. I would encourage you guys not to use adblock - a viewer with no ads is not better than no viewer at all. Its astounding to see so many threads by people asking HOW CAN WE SUPPORT ESPORTS HUE HUE?? who cant be bothered to sit through a few ads every hour....amazing.
People like to contribute as long as its not inconvenient for themselves.
Unfortunately, free-riding is far too tempting :/.
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On March 11 2011 12:21 a176 wrote:
I wanted to take a chance to express my disdain for justin.tv streamers. Firstly, I'd like to say that I do appreciate justin.tv for providing a quality streaming service with many amazing features; providing different stream qualities through the server, great mobile support, excellent chat rooms, and a relatively bug-free experience.
However, the introduction of wide spread ad support for jtv "Producers" is completely ruining the viewing experience for me. I'd like to think its good that they are getting some coin in return for providing me with some entertainment, but its getting way out of hand. Many streamers take the initiative to /commercial at any and every opportunity and a person can only take watching the same windows mobile phone commerical so many times.
Really, its not a problem with the ads themselves, but how invasive they are. I'm not sure why they can't be more banner-like as you see on regular websites. Hell, I don't think I would care if they ran a nonstop video banner stream below the main stream, just as long as it doesn't uncontrollably blow up in my face.
And of course, I also wonder about the revenue sharing, especially if the players are getting any money from the streamers, for providing the content in the first place.
Does the frequency of ads on these streams bother anyone else?
Thanks for reading.
I hated them. I installed chrome ad-block. Problem solved. The rare time some get through, but you can spend time setting up how to block those, too.
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Do we want to pay for streams?
No.
How do we have free streams?
Ads.
What ads are effective?
Full-screen.
Also everyone with ad-blocker is NOT a viewer in terms of monetary gain. You can just choose not to watch the free stream provided to you by somebody else for your enjoyment, for you know, free.
I mega-agree with Kennigit.
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On March 11 2011 14:02 Kennigit wrote:
This doesn't sound like a problem with justin.tv at all. You as a consumer of streaming content can chose who you watch - if you don't like what you are seeing, you have an unbelievable selection. I would encourage you guys not to use adblock - a viewer with no ads is not better than no viewer at all. Its astounding to see so many threads by people asking HOW CAN WE SUPPORT ESPORTS HUE HUE?? who cant be bothered to sit through a few ads every hour....amazing.
How is watching advertisements on a stream supporting esports?
(popular name) has 2k viewers so he runs ads for his own pocket. I watch them to support esports? Not at all. I sit through them so I can entertain myself or learn something from a better player. Watching ads from events like GSL or IEM etc would be supporting esports.
OP is saying that greed is becoming an issue. In fact, slapping a stream full of ads is doing the very opposite of supporting esports. When a new player watches a stream, they will become turned off by the constant ads. If there were no ads on these streams, then players would find these streams even more enjoyable and spread the word to their friends.
I have no problem watching ads on heavy tournaments that rely on advertising money, but for an individual player to pocket the money and to even THINK that they are supporting esports is revolting.
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On March 11 2011 16:29 Hellhammer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 14:02 Kennigit wrote:
This doesn't sound like a problem with justin.tv at all. You as a consumer of streaming content can chose who you watch - if you don't like what you are seeing, you have an unbelievable selection. I would encourage you guys not to use adblock - a viewer with no ads is not better than no viewer at all. Its astounding to see so many threads by people asking HOW CAN WE SUPPORT ESPORTS HUE HUE?? who cant be bothered to sit through a few ads every hour....amazing. How is watching advertisements on a stream supporting esports? (popular name) has 2k viewers so he runs ads for his own pocket. I watch them to support esports? Not at all. I sit through them so I can entertain myself or learn something from a better player. Watching ads from events like GSL or IEM etc would be supporting esports. OP is saying that greed is becoming an issue. In fact, slapping a stream full of ads is doing the very opposite of supporting esports. When a new player watches a stream, they will become turned off by the constant ads. If there were no ads on these streams, then players would find these streams even more enjoyable and spread the word to their friends. I have no problem watching ads on heavy tournaments that rely on advertising money, but for an individual player to pocket the money and to even THINK that they are supporting esports is revolting.
Where do you think (popular name) gets his money to pay the electricity, pay the internet (most likely a more expensive connection to upload) from if Starcraft 2 pro-gaming is their job? Not every pro-gamer has a wealthy team to pay all of their bills. Just keep in mind for most of these pro-gamers, the ad money generated goes straight back to paying for their internet connection, or for the electricity bell, or for the microphone/computer they paid for just to stream for you. It's not like they're spending stream ad revenue for fancy private jets, their house in the bahamas, etc etc.
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On March 11 2011 16:44 echO [W] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 16:29 Hellhammer wrote:On March 11 2011 14:02 Kennigit wrote:
This doesn't sound like a problem with justin.tv at all. You as a consumer of streaming content can chose who you watch - if you don't like what you are seeing, you have an unbelievable selection. I would encourage you guys not to use adblock - a viewer with no ads is not better than no viewer at all. Its astounding to see so many threads by people asking HOW CAN WE SUPPORT ESPORTS HUE HUE?? who cant be bothered to sit through a few ads every hour....amazing. How is watching advertisements on a stream supporting esports? (popular name) has 2k viewers so he runs ads for his own pocket. I watch them to support esports? Not at all. I sit through them so I can entertain myself or learn something from a better player. Watching ads from events like GSL or IEM etc would be supporting esports. OP is saying that greed is becoming an issue. In fact, slapping a stream full of ads is doing the very opposite of supporting esports. When a new player watches a stream, they will become turned off by the constant ads. If there were no ads on these streams, then players would find these streams even more enjoyable and spread the word to their friends. I have no problem watching ads on heavy tournaments that rely on advertising money, but for an individual player to pocket the money and to even THINK that they are supporting esports is revolting. Where do you think (popular name) gets his money to pay the electricity, pay the internet (most likely a more expensive connection to upload) from if Starcraft 2 pro-gaming is their job? Not every pro-gamer has a wealthy team to pay all of their bills. Just keep in mind for most of these pro-gamers, the ad money generated goes straight back to paying for their internet connection, or for the electricity bell, or for the microphone/computer they paid for just to stream for you. It's not like they're spending stream ad revenue for fancy private jets, their house in the bahamas, etc etc.
All of this plus more, for example it allows streams like mine to fund prize pools for tournaments, get better internet for better quality, and provide you with a shit ton on entertainment with 5% of the ads of normal TV in the US.
These ads are what is keeping things free, without them everyone would end up moving to subscription models.
Also no ads is not an option, no streaming company would ever allow that, they have to make their $ back too, remember partner programs are not 100% of the profits, or even close to 100%, Justin TV/Ustream/Own3d/Whatever get a nice portion of the $ also so they can keep their sites free too. That is how these companies exist.
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just use adblock if they are abusing it, i use adblock on incontrols stream for this reason
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If there was more than 1-2 types of ads at any given day I wouldn't mind so much. If there was a pool of 10 or so ads that they came from I wouldn't mind so much. A lot of adverts are actually quite entertaining as long as you aren't watching the same one every 10 minutes.
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isnt that the only reason people switch to justin because they promise insane amount of money and that the streamers can decide themself on when to slap there viewers with annoying ads in the face? 
I honestly would like to know how much people like day9 really get from justin. On the other hand i must say quality seem to have improved a bit from europe. and support for esport is always great, but no doubt there are commercial interests behind it and they dont do it for charity
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The ads are not from Justin.TV - but from the actual streamer. The ads provide the streamer revenue; and they decide when to play them. I don't see why it is a big deal to play them between games as you aren't missing any content, it's a live broadcast there is a lot of downtime especially in tournaments. It's not like the ad is magically slowing down the matchmaking queue.
If you don't like the ads you can switch to JTV Pro and go ad free. I personally did because I throw streams up on my TV and the boxee browser doesn't exactly like flash ads for some reason.
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On March 11 2011 21:01 Ipp wrote:
If you don't like the ads you can switch to JTV Pro and go ad free. I personally did because I throw streams up on my TV and the boxee browser doesn't exactly like flash ads for some reason.
This times a thousand.
If you do not like the ads, do not watch the stream. If you want to watch the stream without ads buy a JTV premium account. If you want to watch the stream free without paying for it be a douche and use adblock.
Personally i tend to shy away from streams that use ads more than once every 15 minute.
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Even running a commercial as much as after every ladder game, it's less frequent than ads on TV, and it's only one ad rather than a whole string of commercials. It doesn't bother me at all.
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To the OP: I can understand your frustration since some streamers do post a commercial seemingly every 5 minutes. However, if the realized how it really works and understood impression views they would understand that doing so is not necessarily the best.
Gosu Crew personally only runs one every 30 minutes. We do this more for demographics and our records then the coin as the pay isn't all that great.
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Yeah and what's with all the commercials on TV? It's like I can't go 5 minutes without some McDonald's or T-Mobile ad all over the screen! And they're so LOUD!
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Okay, time to put some things to bed:
1) TL doesn't block the ads. You have some type of ad-block on. It would be against the TL philosophy to block them in some way (or against JTV's interests to block it on embedded streams, as that just makes no sense) -- note the plaintive horse banner that pops up on TL if they're not on your white-list.
2) Chrome doesn't yet have the ability to block video ads like in JTV because Google hasn't added it into the architecture yet. It isn't a problem with your extensions. It will be added soon by all accounts (I've seen Google employees saying it in the Google support forums for Google Code).
3) It makes no sense to say ads don't help eSports. How the hell can you say that? Why should any progamer put their practice online where their opponents can see it when they make their living off of winning games!? Please try to argue against that, I'd love to see you try. They're giving you content and you refuse to watch a couple ads? Seriously!? Do you avoid Hulu and stuff, too? If it bothers you that much then use Firefox with ad-block, but don't spread the opinion that ads are harmful. Thanks for trying to get people to stop streaming (in other words: shut the hell up).
So, yeah, my one real complaint with it is that you get the same ad over and over and over again. Hell, I'm so tired of seeing that "Someday Lounge" Win7 phone thing that I want to scream. If they fixed that it would be great.
How can you not be okay with ads popping up after every game or so? Some games go 20 or 30 minutes! You're getting like 1/30 of the ads that you do with TV and around 1/2 of the ones on Hulu! Not only that, but you're getting a "behind the scenes" half of the time with the player talking to you and then interacting with you and answering questions!'
If you understand anything about revenue streams on the Internet or the state of eSports then you should be fine with ads. Suck it up, support the players you love and just be glad you're not paying for all of this.
/end rant
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Watching the GCPL, I'd like to add another pet peeve to this thread: casting during the commercials. It's incredibly annoying to have a commercial cut the caster off mid-sentence and then return mid-sentence after the commercial is over. What the fuck, streamers? If you want people to watch your commercials, how about not talking about the games when you choose to show one?
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On March 11 2011 14:00 Z3kk wrote:
Adblock works fine on firefox but doesn't work for some reason on chrome, and chrome is my browser of choice at the moment so I have to suffer through the ads T_T
I started using firefox for streams. I still browse with chrome but the amount of /commercial is getting out of hand. With ustream I would watch the commercial at the start but on jtv streams I just open them in firefox from now on. Sorry for the dudes who don't abuse it as often as others
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Guess subscription models are on the way given how many people can't even deal with /commercial.
Seriously people.
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Side question, does anyone how JTV knows when an ad has been watched? Hypothetical, does it work if say I'm using ABP on FF, but have the identical stream opened on Chrome, or another computer. Will the streamer still receive the much deserved ad revenue?
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Does anyone have any idea how much they get for ads? I'm watching the Team Liquid Open and they're are 50,000 viewers and I was just curious how much these guys banked every time they show a commercial if its based on user count.
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On March 13 2011 06:38 ShadowDrgn wrote:
Watching the GCPL, I'd like to add another pet peeve to this thread: casting during the commercials. It's incredibly annoying to have a commercial cut the caster off mid-sentence and then return mid-sentence after the commercial is over. What the fuck, streamers? If you want people to watch your commercials, how about not talking about the games when you choose to show one?
Seriously fucking gcpl did it after EVERY SINGLE GAME, every time while the commentators were discussing the previous game, it would have been nice if they told us, "hey we'll be right back after a commercial", as I can mute the ad anyway, but they just kept on talking while it was going on.
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Yeh, they have a business to support. It's definitely frustrating, especially youtube. They've got crazy on some of their channels. ^.^
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On March 28 2011 04:15 sideshowRob wrote:
Does anyone have any idea how much they get for ads? I'm watching the Team Liquid Open and they're are 50,000 viewers and I was just curious how much these guys banked every time they show a commercial if its based on user count.
Well, for justintv producers its about $2 per 500 people watching the ~30 second commercial. (would rather not quote my source just incase it would get them in trouble) And they do need to watch it, if the ad is blocked they get no revenue from it.
Im not sure what the rates are for ustream and youtube though, thats where the TSL has been hosted.
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Personally I don't mind the ads on JustinTV if it's the streamer getting some revenue. I think that's fair enough, I get a boatload of entertainment and game research without forking out a penny. That's a pretty good deal to me.
This Internet attitude of "I want it all now for free" is what drives Subscription based services which I'm sure you'd agree not many of us will be willing or able to fork out for. If you use Ad Block then fine, just know that if that streamer you love stops providing content it's probably because it is no longer financially viable and that people like you are responsible.
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I am just glad that there are no more loud annoying Bing ads.
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I don't mind the ads, and it is ridiculous that people are complaining.
Its the most simple form of supply and demand. In this case, ads are like the price one pays for a product. If the price increases, demand will go down. In the most simple of terms. Thus, purely economically speaking, a streamer will continue to show more ads because even if he loses a couple of viewers, he will get more revenue despite the loss of viewers. he will only stop, once one more add will result in a loss of revenue, that is when too many viewers leave. Streamers are "competing" for viewers, if one streamer shows to many ads, and I find it bothers me I just switch. If one streamer looses 2k viewers, he will probably show less ads
Although, I admit, I'd even mind them less if there was a wider variety of them, the same add for the 50th time may get annoying.
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Sometimes I get ads, sometimes I don't. I don't have an ad-block any of the sort..
I really don't know why.
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Saying the ads don't support esports is honestly one of the dumbest things I have heard in avery long time! If you support the player you support esport. if people are not able to live of esport, they will have to stop playing. If ads help the player/streamer to support himself as a professional player, that does help esport, since more people will be able to support themselves.
You should go to the doctors and have yourself checked for retardations...
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How do you mute or lower the volume of the ads, when they have no buttons for volume adjustment?
The new ads these days, like Age of Empires, is maddeningly loud (~10x) whenever they suddenly pop up, and it hurts my ears since I use earbuds. Please don't tell me to adjust my systems volume; I know, but I simply cannot due to my unique sound setup (I have to lower systems volume to ~5% and video player volume to ~ 5%).
I simply want to lower the volume of those ads, but there is no button! The regular sound button on the bottom bar is unresponsive when these ads turn on. If I can find a way, then I'll stop resorting to adblock. I absolutely don't mind ads and the only sites I block are justin.tv and twitch.tv, and that is ONLY because of the unbearably loud ads.
Some ads like Expedia have the button on the lower right hand corner, thank god. Unfortunately, muting it is not persistent, so it is still loud when the ad pops up.
I tried adblock, but that disables the stream entirely.
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