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On December 13 2010 09:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Ok people here are my possible targets: DeconduoI've already explained why I think he should be lynched. AidnaiHe's the person who I've been keeping an eye on and LSB did a very good analyis of him + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2010 09:00 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:07 aidnai wrote:On December 11 2010 10:28 annul wrote:
THREE MORE IMPORTANT FACTS:
1. there are some number of smurfs in this game. be aware.
2. pay very close attention to the final line of every cycle change post. helpful hint.
3. a reminder from the OP: if a player has a special ability, it will be somewhat related to their character/entity. in this way, a large number of possible roles can already be guessed at. google is awesomesauce. not all players have special abilities, even ones that may be "obvious" to have power roles. On December 11 2010 10:02 annul wrote:
Hello! I am NotAnnul, your tour guide throughout wizarding Britain!
Welcome to Hogsmeade, the wizarding city. Stores line the streets, such as Dervish and Banges,
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As of day 1, there are 8 living players loyal to the Death Eaters, the Death Eater kill power is 3, and there are 10 living players with potential alternate victories remaining. So, our helpful hint is that there are 10 people out of 31 with alternate win conditions. This is almost 1/3 players with ulterior motives. I'm glad the mayor doesn't have much power. It's great to have mayoral elections so there's something to talk about day one (other than lynching the inactives lol), but I don't trust anyone putting themselves out there for mayor. As for LSB's plan-- If LSB is mafia, the plan can be abused by mafia by manipulating votes as normal (same as a public vote, except worse because people won't have to post their reasoning). If the auditor is also red, scum can manipulate the reported result as well. If LSB is town, but the auditor is red, death eaters can still manipulate the votes as normal. Only if both LSB and auditor are pro town do we get any benefit from this plan. Actually, the auditor makes the odds worse... So, interesting idea, LSB, but it relies too much on us having to trust you. Although this seems like a large post. Take a look at it closely. It doesn’t state anything. First Aidani is trying to seem like he is contributing to the town by discussing the setup. Two paragraphs that are junk and basically irrelevant to the game. Next he proceeds to criticize the plan. Although it seems like real though. Take note. All these points were already brought up before or are already addressedAidani in this post is doing nothing but making a façade of analysis Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 05:56 aidnai wrote:
Meapak's summary of MoM candidates is not very accurate. It's more like
-LSB advocates private votes for lynch. There may be advantages or disadvantages, which town can discuss
-A few others advocate public (normal) votes for lynch. This completely trivializes the MoM position.
-A few others are trying to pressure or disrupt by making their platform a specific lynch.
I like what LSB is doing. I don't see how his option is necessarily worse than the other options, and it has the added benefit of generating day 1 discussion.
On the other hand, if we vote for 'someone who will listen to the town', we might as well forget there even is a MoM. Just RNG a mayor, vote as normal for a lynch, lynch the mayor day 2 if he fails to comply.
RoL's tactic would look better to me if he would provide some justification. RoL, you need to be able to convince town that there is something to your hunches. Firstly, he completely reversed his position on my plan. Very wishy washy. But he’s doing this without actually taking a position. All he says is “there are some good some bad”. Looks like he’s avoiding the issue. Note one thing, non of the top candidates for the mayor are mafia. I’m getting a green read on Meapak, and I still believe that RoL is Mayor. There doesn’t seem to be a way for the mafia to take the mayorship. Aidnai then says “How about we RNG a mayor?” Yeah… Aidnai is trying to get us to trust him with who should be mayor. And just watch, he’ll ‘randomly’ choose someone who happens to be scum. Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 17:52 aidnai wrote:Meapak, you have my vote. We've spent a lot of time discussing the candidacy of LSB and RoL. What about deconduo? Here's his posts so far: On December 12 2010 00:25 deconduo wrote:I'm going to run for MoM as well. I'm not veteran, but I have played a few games. I'm not going to hold a vote for who to lynch, but I will listen to peoples advice and make my own decision. I feel this way I am pretty transparent, and its much more difficult for mafia to manipulate the lynch. So vote for me  On December 12 2010 01:44 deconduo wrote:On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! If you are gonna help us win anyway, why do we need you as mayor?  Vote for me instead. On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game?? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. On December 12 2010 03:04 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:55 Pandain wrote:
what powers does mayor have? Picks first day lynch, thats all. No bodyguards or anything. On December 12 2010 05:44 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 04:39 Radfield wrote:On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game?? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. That was Rastaban I think. You killed me night one, at the very least you sent me a PM apologizing Yah my mistake. I got mixed up between you two. Was a fun game though Announces candidacy, plugs candidacy, then gets side tracked for three posts--not much of a campaign imo. Yet he was able to garner votes from Jackal58, ilovejonn, and CubEdIn. Why did you three vote for such a non-chalant candidate? Especially Jackal58 and ilovejonn, who are both lurking pretty hard-core. Doesn't actually do much. It's like he's trying to get other people to do analysis on Deconduo without putting an opinion himself + Show Spoiler [Irrelevant Smurf Stuff] +On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. On December 11 2010 14:42 aidnai wrote:
Alright, we have a few smurfs.
The true identities have not been revealed so the smurf is doing its job.
The mod and players are aware that there are smurfs, so we know not to talk about the game with people outside the thread.
Can we all be happy with this? I don't think Annul should learn the identity of the smurfs, since that would give him a leg up in future games.... On December 12 2010 02:53 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 23:15 Jackal58 wrote:On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. My first game. And I'm already making an impression. Scum right there folks. 'What is a smurf?' Let me try to define it for you. - Joined TL.net november 14 - Requested access to the mafia forum november 14 - Posted nowhere else except this game Rather than argue details about past games, here's a policy we could discuss right now: LAL. On December 12 2010 03:13 aidnai wrote:
Ok, i'm sorry for bringing up smurfs again. Smurf or not *actually* wasn't the main point of post--it's just strange to me that an honest-to-god newbie has no other question about the game than 'what is a smurf'. He looked suspicious, so I wanted to see how/if he reacted. This is just Aidnai trying to seem like he is active and contributing to the game, talking about a subject that doesn't matter at all On December 11 2010 14:50 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 14:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
<3 sorry I will stop with the argument! I would rather establish smurfs with alternate play styles and run with a few different accounts than constantly making new names and asking for access and jumping through all the hoops that go with that -__-;
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on topic.
vote for me if you want, I will kill LSB day one! That is my platform.
Legit, that is my platform. Upon being elected I will kill LSB, vote for me. rofl, you're screwed lsb! unless unfortunate complications arise causing RoL to excuse himself from the game. Actually, I really would love to hear your reasoning on this, rebirth-of-sherlock-fucking-holmes... Question/spamish post. Not much can be gleaned On December 12 2010 03:00 aidnai wrote:
From D1 post:
On day one, you must vote for a Minister for Magic. Note above the thirty-one eligible candidates. There are thirty-one players. Coincidence? Nope! The Minister will have no further powers beyond day one (no bodyguards, et cetera) and his only game power will be to decide the day one kill. Election will end at 7 PM EST on Sunday, December 12. The kill submission must come before 9 PM EST the same day. Vote for Minister in the voting thread. Not much here either Aidnai is mafia, trying to avoid topics and pretend to be active. ##Lynch: Aidnai My final target would be PandainPlease let me know who it should be so I can let annul know.
You say I got a lot of votes out of nowhere. I got 2 votes out of nowhere, you got 7+. By your logic, you should lynch yourself.
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Btw, I read the rules over again and it says that you CANNOT vote for yourself. So what happens to the people (such as Pandain) that voted for themselves at the end and did not change their vote?
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On December 13 2010 09:21 ilovejonn wrote:
Btw, I read the rules over again and it says that you CANNOT vote for yourself. So what happens to the people (such as Pandain) that voted for themselves at the end and did not change their vote?
That rule is typically reserved for voting for lynch, not mayor, if I recall correctly
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On December 13 2010 09:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 09:13 orgolove wrote:@Meapak, I voted for you. I hope you make a correct decision. Here's my list again. 1. LSBOn December 12 2010 09:32 LSB wrote:On December 12 2010 09:30 Airbag wrote:
I think there is probably an easy solution
maybe RoL is a VI so if someone is elected he shouldnt be lynched. i think instead a detective role should check him. if he is a scum then build a case and if he is a village idiot make sure he is not getting lynched
i think we should vote for meapak, beneather, or someone who will go with the flow of town. i dont want a mafia to manipulate this vote so that is the best thing to do. lsb's secret vote thing is just not good and he sent me some pms that make me feel a little uncomfortable to be quite honest What's uncomfortable about the PMs? You never responded! I've attached it for your convenience. + Show Spoiler +I'd rather not draw that much attention to myself...
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Original Message From LSB:
If you want, you can be the auditor.
The thing is, since I'm doing it, the mafia won't be able to slip in and and manipulate the vote.
Changing the voting record is also a problem with normal voting. All the mafia has to do is decide slightly earlier.
If you really don't like the private vote idea. (I take it the general sentiment is that they don't want it) We can do reasoned voting, or runoff voting
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Original Message From Airbag:
but if you are mafia it increases the ways in which you can manipulate the vote and it gives the mafia a long time to discuss how they'd like their voting record to look without ever having to appear wishy washy for changing it
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Original Message From LSB:
The issue is that people like to go with the bandwagon. It seems safer, and there is a false sense of security in voting with the majority.
Private votes allow each person to make their decision independently. It cuts off ways for the mafia to influence people.
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Original Message From Airbag:
I understand wanting to vote for a player with experience but you can just manipulate the votes if ur mafia
Why not just have people post their votes publicly, then it's completely impossible for you to lie about it. On December 12 2010 09:34 Airbag wrote:isn't it suspicious that you omitted this part why not?
If you are blue, I understand. If you are green, you should do it to be a meat shield for other blues.
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Original Message From Airbag:
I'd rather not draw that much attention to myself... sounds like u want me to tell you if i am a good role or not so mafia can kill me for it? PMs are supposed to be private. If you're going to post it 1. You better have a good reason, and 2. You better post the whole conversation without any omissions or changes.That's the only way town can maintain its trust in PMs for it to be not posted and not manipulated to fake a red roleclaim. How can anyone who claims to be pro-town to do such a thing? This isn't a photoshop or a writing competition. If you start making up PMs, we go into a no-man's land where the reds can just laugh in the background as towns kill themselves. How can you be any redder? The last game someone posted their full PM conversations and subtly altered them was in Haunted Mafia, by Bill Murray. We all know how that ended up.
2. RebirthOfLegendThroughout his mayoral candidacy, he kept pushing for a decision based on his gut feelings only. On December 12 2010 05:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I did not once say I would listen to anyone. The masses are stupid and filled with scum and scum implanted ideas. On December 12 2010 06:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
but that is effort I don't want to put into stuff! Its actually not even a hunch, I just want to kill LSB for not hitting incognito/infundiblium in TMM2. Again, if you didn't get it: The masses are stupid Its actually not even a hunch, I just want to kill LSB He kept pushing for this and openly said he won't be held accountable for whoever he kills. i.e. if we chose him as our mayor and he suddenly said, just now, "Oh, I'll just kill XXX because I feel like it, ##lynch XXXX" and XXXX turns out to be blue. We can't say shit since we'd have already given him permission to kill whoever he wants. This goes against the very thing town stands for - the power of numbers over the reds.
Both players strongly give off many scum tells. I appreciate your vote however baring massive town resistance I will not be lynching LSB or RoL. They've both mellowed out and have started posting much better and being helpful. I in no way trust them but at this point I'd rather dt check them and then learn the results and go from there.
Sigh - we have clear reds here. Lynching one or other will be a "safe" choice. Why are you willing to take a more risky route?.... Again, this is like what happened in Kingmaker... Ah w/e it'll be over in 2 hours.
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On December 13 2010 09:21 ilovejonn wrote:
Btw, I read the rules over again and it says that you CANNOT vote for yourself. So what happens to the people (such as Pandain) that voted for themselves at the end and did not change their vote?
I believe that an exception is made for mayoral elections
On December 13 2010 09:17 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 09:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Ok people here are my possible targets: DeconduoI've already explained why I think he should be lynched. AidnaiHe's the person who I've been keeping an eye on and LSB did a very good analyis of him + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2010 09:00 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:07 aidnai wrote:On December 11 2010 10:28 annul wrote:
THREE MORE IMPORTANT FACTS:
1. there are some number of smurfs in this game. be aware.
2. pay very close attention to the final line of every cycle change post. helpful hint.
3. a reminder from the OP: if a player has a special ability, it will be somewhat related to their character/entity. in this way, a large number of possible roles can already be guessed at. google is awesomesauce. not all players have special abilities, even ones that may be "obvious" to have power roles. On December 11 2010 10:02 annul wrote:
Hello! I am NotAnnul, your tour guide throughout wizarding Britain!
Welcome to Hogsmeade, the wizarding city. Stores line the streets, such as Dervish and Banges,
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As of day 1, there are 8 living players loyal to the Death Eaters, the Death Eater kill power is 3, and there are 10 living players with potential alternate victories remaining. So, our helpful hint is that there are 10 people out of 31 with alternate win conditions. This is almost 1/3 players with ulterior motives. I'm glad the mayor doesn't have much power. It's great to have mayoral elections so there's something to talk about day one (other than lynching the inactives lol), but I don't trust anyone putting themselves out there for mayor. As for LSB's plan-- If LSB is mafia, the plan can be abused by mafia by manipulating votes as normal (same as a public vote, except worse because people won't have to post their reasoning). If the auditor is also red, scum can manipulate the reported result as well. If LSB is town, but the auditor is red, death eaters can still manipulate the votes as normal. Only if both LSB and auditor are pro town do we get any benefit from this plan. Actually, the auditor makes the odds worse... So, interesting idea, LSB, but it relies too much on us having to trust you. Although this seems like a large post. Take a look at it closely. It doesn’t state anything. First Aidani is trying to seem like he is contributing to the town by discussing the setup. Two paragraphs that are junk and basically irrelevant to the game. Next he proceeds to criticize the plan. Although it seems like real though. Take note. All these points were already brought up before or are already addressedAidani in this post is doing nothing but making a façade of analysis Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 05:56 aidnai wrote:
Meapak's summary of MoM candidates is not very accurate. It's more like
-LSB advocates private votes for lynch. There may be advantages or disadvantages, which town can discuss
-A few others advocate public (normal) votes for lynch. This completely trivializes the MoM position.
-A few others are trying to pressure or disrupt by making their platform a specific lynch.
I like what LSB is doing. I don't see how his option is necessarily worse than the other options, and it has the added benefit of generating day 1 discussion.
On the other hand, if we vote for 'someone who will listen to the town', we might as well forget there even is a MoM. Just RNG a mayor, vote as normal for a lynch, lynch the mayor day 2 if he fails to comply.
RoL's tactic would look better to me if he would provide some justification. RoL, you need to be able to convince town that there is something to your hunches. Firstly, he completely reversed his position on my plan. Very wishy washy. But he’s doing this without actually taking a position. All he says is “there are some good some bad”. Looks like he’s avoiding the issue. Note one thing, non of the top candidates for the mayor are mafia. I’m getting a green read on Meapak, and I still believe that RoL is Mayor. There doesn’t seem to be a way for the mafia to take the mayorship. Aidnai then says “How about we RNG a mayor?” Yeah… Aidnai is trying to get us to trust him with who should be mayor. And just watch, he’ll ‘randomly’ choose someone who happens to be scum. Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 17:52 aidnai wrote:Meapak, you have my vote. We've spent a lot of time discussing the candidacy of LSB and RoL. What about deconduo? Here's his posts so far: On December 12 2010 00:25 deconduo wrote:I'm going to run for MoM as well. I'm not veteran, but I have played a few games. I'm not going to hold a vote for who to lynch, but I will listen to peoples advice and make my own decision. I feel this way I am pretty transparent, and its much more difficult for mafia to manipulate the lynch. So vote for me On December 12 2010 01:44 deconduo wrote:On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! If you are gonna help us win anyway, why do we need you as mayor? Vote for me instead. On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game?? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. On December 12 2010 03:04 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:55 Pandain wrote:
what powers does mayor have? Picks first day lynch, thats all. No bodyguards or anything. On December 12 2010 05:44 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 04:39 Radfield wrote:On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game?? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. That was Rastaban I think. You killed me night one, at the very least you sent me a PM apologizing Yah my mistake. I got mixed up between you two. Was a fun game though Announces candidacy, plugs candidacy, then gets side tracked for three posts--not much of a campaign imo. Yet he was able to garner votes from Jackal58, ilovejonn, and CubEdIn. Why did you three vote for such a non-chalant candidate? Especially Jackal58 and ilovejonn, who are both lurking pretty hard-core. Doesn't actually do much. It's like he's trying to get other people to do analysis on Deconduo without putting an opinion himself + Show Spoiler [Irrelevant Smurf Stuff] +On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. On December 11 2010 14:42 aidnai wrote:
Alright, we have a few smurfs.
The true identities have not been revealed so the smurf is doing its job.
The mod and players are aware that there are smurfs, so we know not to talk about the game with people outside the thread.
Can we all be happy with this? I don't think Annul should learn the identity of the smurfs, since that would give him a leg up in future games.... On December 12 2010 02:53 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 23:15 Jackal58 wrote:On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. My first game. And I'm already making an impression. Scum right there folks. 'What is a smurf?' Let me try to define it for you. - Joined TL.net november 14 - Requested access to the mafia forum november 14 - Posted nowhere else except this game Rather than argue details about past games, here's a policy we could discuss right now: LAL. On December 12 2010 03:13 aidnai wrote:
Ok, i'm sorry for bringing up smurfs again. Smurf or not *actually* wasn't the main point of post--it's just strange to me that an honest-to-god newbie has no other question about the game than 'what is a smurf'. He looked suspicious, so I wanted to see how/if he reacted. This is just Aidnai trying to seem like he is active and contributing to the game, talking about a subject that doesn't matter at all On December 11 2010 14:50 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 14:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
<3 sorry I will stop with the argument! I would rather establish smurfs with alternate play styles and run with a few different accounts than constantly making new names and asking for access and jumping through all the hoops that go with that -__-;
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on topic.
vote for me if you want, I will kill LSB day one! That is my platform.
Legit, that is my platform. Upon being elected I will kill LSB, vote for me. rofl, you're screwed lsb! unless unfortunate complications arise causing RoL to excuse himself from the game. Actually, I really would love to hear your reasoning on this, rebirth-of-sherlock-fucking-holmes... Question/spamish post. Not much can be gleaned On December 12 2010 03:00 aidnai wrote:
From D1 post:
On day one, you must vote for a Minister for Magic. Note above the thirty-one eligible candidates. There are thirty-one players. Coincidence? Nope! The Minister will have no further powers beyond day one (no bodyguards, et cetera) and his only game power will be to decide the day one kill. Election will end at 7 PM EST on Sunday, December 12. The kill submission must come before 9 PM EST the same day. Vote for Minister in the voting thread. Not much here either Aidnai is mafia, trying to avoid topics and pretend to be active. ##Lynch: Aidnai My final target would be PandainPlease let me know who it should be so I can let annul know. You say I got a lot of votes out of nowhere. I got 2 votes out of nowhere, you got 7+. By your logic, you should lynch yourself.
Deconduo can confirm this theory, but I believe that he pmed people.
I know he PMed me
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On December 13 2010 09:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
other possible targets would be ilovejohn or beneather
From all these 5, I'd have to pick either ilovejonn or aidinai. I already stated why I find ilovejonn suspicious. And if he flips red, we can go for deconduo as well.
And as much as I don't like LSB's play, his argument on Aidinai seems decent, and when he attacked deconduo he said I voted for him "nonchalantly", when I was pretty clear of my motives.
So either one would be fine with me.
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Deconduo can confirm this theory, but I believe that he pmed people.
I know he PMed me
He PMed me as well, but only after I voted for him.
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the "you cant vote yourself" rule is lynches only not elections
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On December 13 2010 09:27 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 09:21 ilovejonn wrote:
Btw, I read the rules over again and it says that you CANNOT vote for yourself. So what happens to the people (such as Pandain) that voted for themselves at the end and did not change their vote? I believe that an exception is made for mayoral elections Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 09:17 deconduo wrote:On December 13 2010 09:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Ok people here are my possible targets: DeconduoI've already explained why I think he should be lynched. AidnaiHe's the person who I've been keeping an eye on and LSB did a very good analyis of him + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2010 09:00 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:07 aidnai wrote:On December 11 2010 10:28 annul wrote:
THREE MORE IMPORTANT FACTS:
1. there are some number of smurfs in this game. be aware.
2. pay very close attention to the final line of every cycle change post. helpful hint.
3. a reminder from the OP: if a player has a special ability, it will be somewhat related to their character/entity. in this way, a large number of possible roles can already be guessed at. google is awesomesauce. not all players have special abilities, even ones that may be "obvious" to have power roles. On December 11 2010 10:02 annul wrote:
Hello! I am NotAnnul, your tour guide throughout wizarding Britain!
Welcome to Hogsmeade, the wizarding city. Stores line the streets, such as Dervish and Banges,
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As of day 1, there are 8 living players loyal to the Death Eaters, the Death Eater kill power is 3, and there are 10 living players with potential alternate victories remaining. So, our helpful hint is that there are 10 people out of 31 with alternate win conditions. This is almost 1/3 players with ulterior motives. I'm glad the mayor doesn't have much power. It's great to have mayoral elections so there's something to talk about day one (other than lynching the inactives lol), but I don't trust anyone putting themselves out there for mayor. As for LSB's plan-- If LSB is mafia, the plan can be abused by mafia by manipulating votes as normal (same as a public vote, except worse because people won't have to post their reasoning). If the auditor is also red, scum can manipulate the reported result as well. If LSB is town, but the auditor is red, death eaters can still manipulate the votes as normal. Only if both LSB and auditor are pro town do we get any benefit from this plan. Actually, the auditor makes the odds worse... So, interesting idea, LSB, but it relies too much on us having to trust you. Although this seems like a large post. Take a look at it closely. It doesn’t state anything. First Aidani is trying to seem like he is contributing to the town by discussing the setup. Two paragraphs that are junk and basically irrelevant to the game. Next he proceeds to criticize the plan. Although it seems like real though. Take note. All these points were already brought up before or are already addressedAidani in this post is doing nothing but making a façade of analysis Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 05:56 aidnai wrote:
Meapak's summary of MoM candidates is not very accurate. It's more like
-LSB advocates private votes for lynch. There may be advantages or disadvantages, which town can discuss
-A few others advocate public (normal) votes for lynch. This completely trivializes the MoM position.
-A few others are trying to pressure or disrupt by making their platform a specific lynch.
I like what LSB is doing. I don't see how his option is necessarily worse than the other options, and it has the added benefit of generating day 1 discussion.
On the other hand, if we vote for 'someone who will listen to the town', we might as well forget there even is a MoM. Just RNG a mayor, vote as normal for a lynch, lynch the mayor day 2 if he fails to comply.
RoL's tactic would look better to me if he would provide some justification. RoL, you need to be able to convince town that there is something to your hunches. Firstly, he completely reversed his position on my plan. Very wishy washy. But he’s doing this without actually taking a position. All he says is “there are some good some bad”. Looks like he’s avoiding the issue. Note one thing, non of the top candidates for the mayor are mafia. I’m getting a green read on Meapak, and I still believe that RoL is Mayor. There doesn’t seem to be a way for the mafia to take the mayorship. Aidnai then says “How about we RNG a mayor?” Yeah… Aidnai is trying to get us to trust him with who should be mayor. And just watch, he’ll ‘randomly’ choose someone who happens to be scum. Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 17:52 aidnai wrote:Meapak, you have my vote. We've spent a lot of time discussing the candidacy of LSB and RoL. What about deconduo? Here's his posts so far: On December 12 2010 00:25 deconduo wrote:I'm going to run for MoM as well. I'm not veteran, but I have played a few games. I'm not going to hold a vote for who to lynch, but I will listen to peoples advice and make my own decision. I feel this way I am pretty transparent, and its much more difficult for mafia to manipulate the lynch. So vote for me On December 12 2010 01:44 deconduo wrote:On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! If you are gonna help us win anyway, why do we need you as mayor? Vote for me instead. On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game?? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. On December 12 2010 03:04 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:55 Pandain wrote:
what powers does mayor have? Picks first day lynch, thats all. No bodyguards or anything. On December 12 2010 05:44 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 04:39 Radfield wrote:On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game?? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. That was Rastaban I think. You killed me night one, at the very least you sent me a PM apologizing Yah my mistake. I got mixed up between you two. Was a fun game though Announces candidacy, plugs candidacy, then gets side tracked for three posts--not much of a campaign imo. Yet he was able to garner votes from Jackal58, ilovejonn, and CubEdIn. Why did you three vote for such a non-chalant candidate? Especially Jackal58 and ilovejonn, who are both lurking pretty hard-core. Doesn't actually do much. It's like he's trying to get other people to do analysis on Deconduo without putting an opinion himself + Show Spoiler [Irrelevant Smurf Stuff] +On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. On December 11 2010 14:42 aidnai wrote:
Alright, we have a few smurfs.
The true identities have not been revealed so the smurf is doing its job.
The mod and players are aware that there are smurfs, so we know not to talk about the game with people outside the thread.
Can we all be happy with this? I don't think Annul should learn the identity of the smurfs, since that would give him a leg up in future games.... On December 12 2010 02:53 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 23:15 Jackal58 wrote:On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. My first game. And I'm already making an impression. Scum right there folks. 'What is a smurf?' Let me try to define it for you. - Joined TL.net november 14 - Requested access to the mafia forum november 14 - Posted nowhere else except this game Rather than argue details about past games, here's a policy we could discuss right now: LAL. On December 12 2010 03:13 aidnai wrote:
Ok, i'm sorry for bringing up smurfs again. Smurf or not *actually* wasn't the main point of post--it's just strange to me that an honest-to-god newbie has no other question about the game than 'what is a smurf'. He looked suspicious, so I wanted to see how/if he reacted. This is just Aidnai trying to seem like he is active and contributing to the game, talking about a subject that doesn't matter at all On December 11 2010 14:50 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 14:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
<3 sorry I will stop with the argument! I would rather establish smurfs with alternate play styles and run with a few different accounts than constantly making new names and asking for access and jumping through all the hoops that go with that -__-;
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on topic.
vote for me if you want, I will kill LSB day one! That is my platform.
Legit, that is my platform. Upon being elected I will kill LSB, vote for me. rofl, you're screwed lsb! unless unfortunate complications arise causing RoL to excuse himself from the game. Actually, I really would love to hear your reasoning on this, rebirth-of-sherlock-fucking-holmes... Question/spamish post. Not much can be gleaned On December 12 2010 03:00 aidnai wrote:
From D1 post:
On day one, you must vote for a Minister for Magic. Note above the thirty-one eligible candidates. There are thirty-one players. Coincidence? Nope! The Minister will have no further powers beyond day one (no bodyguards, et cetera) and his only game power will be to decide the day one kill. Election will end at 7 PM EST on Sunday, December 12. The kill submission must come before 9 PM EST the same day. Vote for Minister in the voting thread. Not much here either Aidnai is mafia, trying to avoid topics and pretend to be active. ##Lynch: Aidnai My final target would be PandainPlease let me know who it should be so I can let annul know. You say I got a lot of votes out of nowhere. I got 2 votes out of nowhere, you got 7+. By your logic, you should lynch yourself. Deconduo can confirm this theory, but I believe that he pmed people. I know he PMed me
I was PMing you and Cube. Though I started talking with Cube after he voted for me, not before.
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On December 13 2010 09:29 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 09:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
other possible targets would be ilovejohn or beneather From all these 5, I'd have to pick either ilovejonn or aidinai. I already stated why I find ilovejonn suspicious. And if he flips red, we can go for deconduo as well. And as much as I don't like LSB's play, his argument on Aidinai seems decent, and when he attacked deconduo he said I voted for him "nonchalantly", when I was pretty clear of my motives. So either one would be fine with me.
Seconded, plus the fact that they both voted for Meapak near the end - smells like wagon to me
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if decon pm'd people he's pretty much not a lynch factor anymore. I'd like the town to focus on either ilovejonn or aidnai. I think most people feel pretty good about either of them I'd just like a final decision to be made so I can tell annul.
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Analysis of Beneather in spoiler.
+ Show Spoiler +Beneather caught my eye pretty early on with multiple apologetic posts. He has continued to show that he fits the profile of the guilty mafia who wants to be part of the discussion and blend in with everyone, but fails to provide any real contribution. He is scared to take a real stand one way or another, so he comes across as wishy-washy and unsure. Some of his posts in particular show that he is not simply a bad townie, but is in fact a mafia. Read on below... On December 11 2010 10:46 Beneather wrote:
Woo! It has started awesome. Love these themed mafias even though this is my second game of mafia ! But I will try to be as much help to the town to find the man who's name shall not be spoken of.
I guess it's election time I'm not going to be running for Mayor since I don't have much experience lol. Good Luck to those who do though! Making excuses that are completely unneccesary is often a sign of an inexperienced scum that feels guilty for being scum. Did anyone else apologize for not running for mayor? did anyone else feel like excusing themselves? not if you were town, you didn't. Also note how hard he wants to blend in... "I'll try my hardest" "good luck to those who do" run for mayor! etc. On December 11 2010 10:48 Beneather wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 10:42 zeks wrote:
If I get selected Minister of Magic you guys can just vote for whoever and I'll lynch the person with the most votes regardless of situation. So basically everyone gets a say in who dies first.
Since the Minster of Magic is essentially the same as everyone else after the first lynch if elected I'll gladly step back down. I'm asking for your votes to ensure the most democratic way of deciding first lynch. But realistically then what's the point of being MoM if your just going to allow people to choose to vote. I trust in the MoM to make the correct decision. Everyone is going to say I will lynch the person you all tell me to lynch what else can you bring to this table since we need an good MoM that we can trust. Here he states an opinion about the mayor. On December 11 2010 10:54 Beneather wrote:
Yeah, that is true. Disregard my post I wasn't really thinking of it like that. But if he was mafia and just Lynch somebody important that is contributing a lot and helping the town find the mafia. We could just lynch the mayor. It really depends if the person turns out to be a mafia or a townie right? I think someone isn't stupid enough just to lynch a random person without the town approving it then we could just lynch the mayor right?
Im really unexperienced please stop me if I'm acting noobie? and two posts later he flip flops! look how unsure he is, how apologetic and guilty. More excuses too. On December 11 2010 11:10 Beneather wrote:
I think we should just wait and see before placing our votes on now we got to see who else will be running for MoM. Yes, it would be good to have a very experienced mafia player that is good for hunting mafia but what if he's mafia he's good enough to not look the part of being mafia and he can just pressure us in to choosing someone that isn't mafia and waste a day. doesn't say anything. "maybe we should wait, it would be good if we got a good townie as mayor, but then again it'd be bad if it was a mafia". ok. I'll call this CWC (contributing without contributing) for short, since we are gonna see a lot of this. On December 11 2010 12:10 Beneather wrote:
Lol, I remember in one of the mafia games. There was a secret mafia vote and it voted on a mafia to make the towns change their decision and put it on the other guy which was a townie. So I believe this is all a mind game. We can not really be narrow-minded we have to look at other possibilities. LSB is a very aggressive player and active as well if he's a townie then he would be a good MoM but if he's mafia he can really start bandwagons on people. His point about LSB is the exact same thing he said in the previous post. CWC. On December 11 2010 12:17 Beneather wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 12:14 Thegilaboy wrote:On December 11 2010 12:10 LSB wrote:On December 11 2010 12:04 CubEdIn wrote:On December 11 2010 11:58 LSB wrote:On December 11 2010 11:51 CubEdIn wrote:On December 11 2010 11:38 LSB wrote:What will I do as mayor I will hold a secrete ballot for the first elections. And I will post who voted for who afterwards. You know, mafia loves to redirect the first election? This will make it harder for them to. This is important for many reasons. Say we're going to lynch inactives. One is mafia, one is town Mafia: "Yo! Lets bandwagon this guy!" Town: "We'll their both inactive so I guess I'll vote for the town" Annul: "You guys lynched a townie. Sheep =P" Now. Imagine my system LSB: "Person A and Person B are inactive, please send me pm for who you vote for" Town sends PMs. Each person has about a 50% chance of dieng. Mafia doesn't have that much influence. Annul: "This person is mafia! Woot Woot!" In addition, I will not be able to influence the vote because I will post who voted for who afterwards. So if you see something messed up, you can call me out of it. (Of course, this also means that we got a great way to catch mafia). Let me tell you the loophole in your plan there, buddy. Say you're mafia. People choose two people to lynch, townie and mafia. You rig the "anonymous" votes and lynch the townie, even though most people voted for the mafia. You can never be checked/blamed for that since people agreed to secret votes. So yeah, that's not gonna be in the best interest of town IMO. In addition, I will not be able to influence the vote because I will post who voted for who afterwards. So if you see something messed up, you can call me out of it. (Of course, this also means that we got a great way to catch mafia). People will be like, "YOU ARE WRONG!" if I try to manipulate votes. Oh right, I didn't read that part, but it still gives you a certain degree of manipulation by hiding some mafia votes, if you are mafia. Like say the townie is winning by 7 votes, you switch 3 of the mafia votes to hide them, the difference is less significant, town is more confused. Just saying tho, I don't really care since it's just one night. Firstly, vote manipulation is always done by the mafia. In public it can be done easily. All the mafia has to do is make sure they either vote for other people or push a townie bandwagon. In private, they won't be able to predict who is going to be lynched. Secondly, if I'm mafia, you can examine the votes a wee bit more carefully. This way you'll have a better indication of who is mafia. See? Even if I'm mafia it's better for you! Thirdly, I'll accept someone to be the 'auditor' who also recieves votes Would we vote for this auditor too, or would you be picking them? What is this auditor position and what is it worth to us? Whatever it is it should be voted from the town, if the MoM does choose it could be a fellow Mafia and both would have the biggest influence on the town. Asking a question that was already just asked. Why would you do that? maybe CWC? On December 11 2010 13:46 Beneather wrote:
I guess that is true maybe making people justify their choice of who they want to lynch is a good idea so we can have true players that are active and actually paying attention. But how about the people in the middle that do not know much and can't make up their mind to choose who to lynch in the first day. Very passive agreement with a post about including reasoning with votes. On December 12 2010 00:33 Beneather wrote:
We will just have to wait and see what turns up. The decision is hard on who to trust since it's so early in the game. When is the required time for us to get a MoM? Wishy-washiness, un-confidence. On December 12 2010 04:45 Beneather wrote:
It doesn't matter on how the person puts out his ideas. They're all exactly the same. The mayor gets to choose who to lynch but they're saying that they're going to listen to us so we just vote who to get lynched like every other day we do. The MoM is not special job since he doesn't have control over nothing except the first lynch. But who ever the MoM lynches is going to have to explain or we will just lynch the MoM. Simple as that. This doesn't say much, but what it does say is false. We had several different ideas put forward by different candidates. What is the purpose of this post anyway? it is to muddle and quash discussion about mayor candidates. If it doesn't matter, why get impassioned about it? why take a strong stance? let's all just be wishy-washy like Beneather and get nothing done! As a townie, there's no conceivable reason to post something like this. However, as a red, there are good reasons. 1) muddle discussion. 2) deliberately state innocent falsehoods that people will waste their time correcting and posting about. 3) CWC. On December 12 2010 12:19 Beneather wrote:
After catching up and reading many posts. I believe that RoL shouldn't be MoM lynching someone because they give you a bad vibe is ridiculous and childish. No one will vote for you if your just going to waste the first lynch on someone you have a bad vibe on! We need to start off good and to get a mafia on the first day. I think RoL is the mafia because he sounds scummy and trying to lynch LSB for no other reason for "BAD VIBE" is stupid.
I would like to request a role claim from RoL since we're all confused by his stupidity.. Here he clearly argues that RoL is mafia. On December 12 2010 16:24 Beneather wrote:
I really do not know why people are voting those two I guess they're better candidates than RoL and LSB. Since they both aren't scummy looking. And here he completely reverses his opinion! amazing, right? On December 13 2010 01:41 Beneather wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 23:26 CubEdIn wrote:On December 12 2010 17:52 aidnai wrote:Meapak, you have my vote. We've spent a lot of time discussing the candidacy of LSB and RoL. What about deconduo? Here's his posts so far: On December 12 2010 00:25 deconduo wrote:I'm going to run for MoM as well. I'm not veteran, but I have played a few games. I'm not going to hold a vote for who to lynch, but I will listen to peoples advice and make my own decision. I feel this way I am pretty transparent, and its much more difficult for mafia to manipulate the lynch. So vote for me On December 12 2010 01:44 deconduo wrote:On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! If you are gonna help us win anyway, why do we need you as mayor? Vote for me instead. On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game?? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. On December 12 2010 03:04 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:55 Pandain wrote:
what powers does mayor have? Picks first day lynch, thats all. No bodyguards or anything. On December 12 2010 05:44 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 04:39 Radfield wrote:On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game?? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. That was Rastaban I think. You killed me night one, at the very least you sent me a PM apologizing Yah my mistake. I got mixed up between you two. Was a fun game though Announces candidacy, plugs candidacy, then gets side tracked for three posts--not much of a campaign imo. Yet he was able to garner votes from Jackal58, ilovejonn, and CubEdIn. Why did you three vote for such a non-chalant candidate? Especially Jackal58 and ilovejonn, who are both lurking pretty hard-core. Just woke up, I was skimming through the thread and was just thinking of this. Here's how it went: 1. He announced candidacy. I voted for him in the first 5-10mins, because I find the votes for Meapak suspicious. 2. Plenty of time later, a few more people vote for him. "out of the blue" so to say. 3. Meapak posts that he'll probably kill deconduo, because of his suspicious voters 4. ilovejonn switches his vote to himself Now, please explain: a) How are there "many votes out of the blue"? I explained mine, and then there were 2 more votes. He never got to be the first place or anything b) Why would ilovejonn switch his post after Meapak threatened to lynch deconduo due to people voting for him out of the blue? I'm sorry but this looks like a very harsh slip-up from a newbie red. If deconduo dies and he flips red, then ilovejonn should die instantly. Even if deconduo isn't red, it's still a very weird and scummish move in my eyes. I must admit that I'm really scared of the alternative winning conditions. I get the reasoning behind meapak's idea, and I know we're short on alternatives, but I don't think there are enough clues to actually take down deconduo because of it. Please think a bit better before you kill him. I agree with you CubedIn very good analysis. From what you had said I am persuaded to think that deconduo may be a red. Using our first lynch on him would be a good start. If he turns out red which CubedIn stated we should lynch ilovejohn. This looks like the most reasonable suggestion we have gotten today. Not from "VIBES" but from reasonable logic. Here beneather completely misreads Cubed, who did not voice an opinion about deconduo. Cubed already corrected this, so i won't waste any more time. But again, what is the purpose? If Beneather was town, and he actually believed Deconduo was red, where is the follow up? There is none. No further analysis of Deconduo, no further pressure, no further discussion from beneather. On December 13 2010 03:33 Beneather wrote:
If mafia doesn't run for MoM then what are they thinking of doing staying under the radar. There has to be a mafia running for MoM, LSB put a lot of attention on himself when he stated all his ideas such as private voting to keep mafia manipulating the votes by starting bandwagons. Then you guys stated that he could just manipulate the votes since no one else seeing it. Why don't he just post the results what each person had voted on this thread for all of us to confirm it after everyone has voted. Correct? But since LSB has dropped out we really do not have to worry about this. Summarizes some old posts, basically CWC. On December 13 2010 08:41 Beneather wrote:
Yes, LSB looks like a suspect to lynch but getting rid of inactives earlier is better so we dont have to waste lynches later on in the game when we really need it. But if we are sure that LSB is a scum then we can just right towards him more information maybe a analysis on his posts would be good from you Airbag since your pushing on a lynch on LSB. Oh wait, you DO think LSB is scum? make up your mind already  Also please note that he does no analysis himself, instead encouraging Airbag to take care of it. Again, if beneather was town, he would have done some analysis himself, not just weakly hang on to other peoples FOS's. He would have pursused a target, not flip-flopped between popular targets. He would have pressured, not apologized. He would have contributed something to the discussion. Any of these things might have made me think twice...Beneather has unfortunately done none.
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Jackal58 did the same thing as me you know.. I don't know why I am suspicious. I already explained that I voted on deconduo because I was hard-pressed with time and I changed my vote after allowing myself some time to read over what the candidates can provide to the town at the end and that's why I voted for Meapak. I believe there are other people more suspicious than I am.
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##VOTE LYNCH LSB
sorry lsb your the best we got to go on so far
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##Vote Aidnai
im good with either honestly.
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Already said my choice in PM, here it is in public:
Vote Aidnai
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On December 13 2010 09:00 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:07 aidnai wrote:On December 11 2010 10:28 annul wrote:
THREE MORE IMPORTANT FACTS:
1. there are some number of smurfs in this game. be aware.
2. pay very close attention to the final line of every cycle change post. helpful hint.
3. a reminder from the OP: if a player has a special ability, it will be somewhat related to their character/entity. in this way, a large number of possible roles can already be guessed at. google is awesomesauce. not all players have special abilities, even ones that may be "obvious" to have power roles. On December 11 2010 10:02 annul wrote:
Hello! I am NotAnnul, your tour guide throughout wizarding Britain!
Welcome to Hogsmeade, the wizarding city. Stores line the streets, such as Dervish and Banges,
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As of day 1, there are 8 living players loyal to the Death Eaters, the Death Eater kill power is 3, and there are 10 living players with potential alternate victories remaining. So, our helpful hint is that there are 10 people out of 31 with alternate win conditions. This is almost 1/3 players with ulterior motives. I'm glad the mayor doesn't have much power. It's great to have mayoral elections so there's something to talk about day one (other than lynching the inactives lol), but I don't trust anyone putting themselves out there for mayor. As for LSB's plan-- If LSB is mafia, the plan can be abused by mafia by manipulating votes as normal (same as a public vote, except worse because people won't have to post their reasoning). If the auditor is also red, scum can manipulate the reported result as well. If LSB is town, but the auditor is red, death eaters can still manipulate the votes as normal. Only if both LSB and auditor are pro town do we get any benefit from this plan. Actually, the auditor makes the odds worse... So, interesting idea, LSB, but it relies too much on us having to trust you. Although this seems like a large post. Take a look at it closely. It doesn’t state anything. First Aidani is trying to seem like he is contributing to the town by discussing the setup. Two paragraphs that are junk and basically irrelevant to the game. Next he proceeds to criticize the plan. Although it seems like real though. Take note. All these points were already brought up before or are already addressedAidani in this post is doing nothing but making a façade of analysis Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 05:56 aidnai wrote:
Meapak's summary of MoM candidates is not very accurate. It's more like
-LSB advocates private votes for lynch. There may be advantages or disadvantages, which town can discuss
-A few others advocate public (normal) votes for lynch. This completely trivializes the MoM position.
-A few others are trying to pressure or disrupt by making their platform a specific lynch.
I like what LSB is doing. I don't see how his option is necessarily worse than the other options, and it has the added benefit of generating day 1 discussion.
On the other hand, if we vote for 'someone who will listen to the town', we might as well forget there even is a MoM. Just RNG a mayor, vote as normal for a lynch, lynch the mayor day 2 if he fails to comply.
RoL's tactic would look better to me if he would provide some justification. RoL, you need to be able to convince town that there is something to your hunches. Firstly, he completely reversed his position on my plan. Very wishy washy. But he’s doing this without actually taking a position. All he says is “there are some good some bad”. Looks like he’s avoiding the issue. Note one thing, non of the top candidates for the mayor are mafia. I’m getting a green read on Meapak, and I still believe that RoL is Mayor. There doesn’t seem to be a way for the mafia to take the mayorship. Aidnai then says “How about we RNG a mayor?” Yeah… Aidnai is trying to get us to trust him with who should be mayor. And just watch, he’ll ‘randomly’ choose someone who happens to be scum. Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 17:52 aidnai wrote:Meapak, you have my vote. We've spent a lot of time discussing the candidacy of LSB and RoL. What about deconduo? Here's his posts so far: On December 12 2010 00:25 deconduo wrote:I'm going to run for MoM as well. I'm not veteran, but I have played a few games. I'm not going to hold a vote for who to lynch, but I will listen to peoples advice and make my own decision. I feel this way I am pretty transparent, and its much more difficult for mafia to manipulate the lynch. So vote for me On December 12 2010 01:44 deconduo wrote:On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! If you are gonna help us win anyway, why do we need you as mayor? Vote for me instead. On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game?? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. On December 12 2010 03:04 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:55 Pandain wrote:
what powers does mayor have? Picks first day lynch, thats all. No bodyguards or anything. On December 12 2010 05:44 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 04:39 Radfield wrote:On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game?? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. That was Rastaban I think. You killed me night one, at the very least you sent me a PM apologizing Yah my mistake. I got mixed up between you two. Was a fun game though Announces candidacy, plugs candidacy, then gets side tracked for three posts--not much of a campaign imo. Yet he was able to garner votes from Jackal58, ilovejonn, and CubEdIn. Why did you three vote for such a non-chalant candidate? Especially Jackal58 and ilovejonn, who are both lurking pretty hard-core. Doesn't actually do much. It's like he's trying to get other people to do analysis on Deconduo without putting an opinion himself + Show Spoiler [Irrelevant Smurf Stuff] +On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. On December 11 2010 14:42 aidnai wrote:
Alright, we have a few smurfs.
The true identities have not been revealed so the smurf is doing its job.
The mod and players are aware that there are smurfs, so we know not to talk about the game with people outside the thread.
Can we all be happy with this? I don't think Annul should learn the identity of the smurfs, since that would give him a leg up in future games.... On December 12 2010 02:53 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 23:15 Jackal58 wrote:On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. My first game. And I'm already making an impression. Scum right there folks. 'What is a smurf?' Let me try to define it for you. - Joined TL.net november 14 - Requested access to the mafia forum november 14 - Posted nowhere else except this game Rather than argue details about past games, here's a policy we could discuss right now: LAL. On December 12 2010 03:13 aidnai wrote:
Ok, i'm sorry for bringing up smurfs again. Smurf or not *actually* wasn't the main point of post--it's just strange to me that an honest-to-god newbie has no other question about the game than 'what is a smurf'. He looked suspicious, so I wanted to see how/if he reacted. This is just Aidnai trying to seem like he is active and contributing to the game, talking about a subject that doesn't matter at all On December 11 2010 14:50 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 14:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
<3 sorry I will stop with the argument! I would rather establish smurfs with alternate play styles and run with a few different accounts than constantly making new names and asking for access and jumping through all the hoops that go with that -__-;
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on topic.
vote for me if you want, I will kill LSB day one! That is my platform.
Legit, that is my platform. Upon being elected I will kill LSB, vote for me. rofl, you're screwed lsb! unless unfortunate complications arise causing RoL to excuse himself from the game. Actually, I really would love to hear your reasoning on this, rebirth-of-sherlock-fucking-holmes... Question/spamish post. Not much can be gleaned On December 12 2010 03:00 aidnai wrote:
From D1 post:
On day one, you must vote for a Minister for Magic. Note above the thirty-one eligible candidates. There are thirty-one players. Coincidence? Nope! The Minister will have no further powers beyond day one (no bodyguards, et cetera) and his only game power will be to decide the day one kill. Election will end at 7 PM EST on Sunday, December 12. The kill submission must come before 9 PM EST the same day. Vote for Minister in the voting thread. Not much here either Aidnai is mafia, trying to avoid topics and pretend to be active. ##Lynch: Aidnai
This is not a good analysis LSB.
Your main argument is lack of contribution. As RoL pointed out, there are only perhaps three players who had contributed anything substantive at that point. And I believe I have contributed now, with my analysis of beneather.
You failed to show that any of my posts could not have a townie motivation for posting them.
You failed to show a more likely mafia motivation for my posts.
You even put words into my mouth. I never said RNG a mayor, and I don't recall anyone else saying that either.
Whether smurfs matter or not is a matter of opinion. In any case, jackal58 looked fishy to me (he has done nothing yet to correct this view I might add), and the smurf thing was the best way to get him out of his lurker shell.
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Everyone should say who they're voting for and why in this thread, not just in pm. This way we can verify if what meepack says is true(who voted who) in addition so we don't get people who just vote without reasons, thus helping spot mafia.
For example, I'm voting Aidnai for several reasons, most of which are outlined by LSB's post, but here are some of my own thoughts.
1.Constantly "contributing without contributing" (arguing about smurfs, clarifying other stuff.)
2.On December 12 2010 05:56 aidnai wrote:
Meapak's summary of MoM candidates is not very accurate. It's more like
-LSB advocates private votes for lynch. There may be advantages or disadvantages, which town can discuss
-A few others advocate public (normal) votes for lynch. This completely trivializes the MoM position.
-A few others are trying to pressure or disrupt by making their platform a specific lynch.
I like what LSB is doing. I don't see how his option is necessarily worse than the other options, and it has the added benefit of generating day 1 discussion.
On the other hand, if we vote for 'someone who will listen to the town', we might as well forget there even is a MoM. Just RNG a mayor, vote as normal for a lynch, lynch the mayor day 2 if he fails to comply.
RoL's tactic would look better to me if he would provide some justification. RoL, you need to be able to convince town that there is something to your hunches.
Just because a public vote means the mayor doesn't decide in secret, therefore "triviliazing" the MoM role, is a horrible reason, most likely he's grasping at straws. Furthormore, says the only option he likes is LSB, which was obviously the worst, in addition to the fact that his reason was "there may or may not be advantages/disadvantages, which town could discuss."
3.Weak analysis on beneather
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To be honest I think RoL's posting to be inexcusable. He should be punished with a lynching. There's no way he can be pro-town with his attitude. He reeks of scum.
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