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Anyways, I have time to defend myself after reading all those posts. I am kinda busy with finals and other things but that would seem like I'm making an excuse. To the people who thinks they should get me lynched, I don't know why you would do that, I am openly admitting that I have never played this and told people my first vote was a random vote because of my time constraints. Sure that may seem like I'm pretending to be someone else, but in truth I am just really busy atm (christmas break coming soon, I'll have more time).
Also, I've read a few more pages of posts this time and found Meapak to be a good candidate to be MoM because of open decision votes? I think that's it, and others have posted why the other candidates seem to be suspicious blah blah. Anyways I've changed my vote again, that's all I'm going to say, if you think I am suspicious still, then go ahead and lynch me lol.
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i really think lynching lsb is our best option. he has done nothing to help town, emphasises scumhunting without doing it, concedes under pressure, runs for his sake and power over the towns sake.
we can kill an inactive and probably hit town or we can lynch lsb and possibly make a huge play against the death eaters.
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Yes, LSB looks like a suspect to lynch but getting rid of inactives earlier is better so we dont have to waste lynches later on in the game when we really need it. But if we are sure that LSB is a scum then we can just right towards him more information maybe a analysis on his posts would be good from you Airbag since your pushing on a lynch on LSB.
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Jcarlson--- I agree with you about beneather. He's continually posting contributions that don't contribute, including ^^.
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So we'll still have more time after the mayor is chosen, right? To choose the lynch.
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2 hours.
night post is pre-written, only gotta fill in the blanks and possibly change pronouns around
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On December 11 2010 13:07 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 10:28 annul wrote:
THREE MORE IMPORTANT FACTS:
1. there are some number of smurfs in this game. be aware.
2. pay very close attention to the final line of every cycle change post. helpful hint.
3. a reminder from the OP: if a player has a special ability, it will be somewhat related to their character/entity. in this way, a large number of possible roles can already be guessed at. google is awesomesauce. not all players have special abilities, even ones that may be "obvious" to have power roles. Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 10:02 annul wrote:
Hello! I am NotAnnul, your tour guide throughout wizarding Britain!
Welcome to Hogsmeade, the wizarding city. Stores line the streets, such as Dervish and Banges,
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As of day 1, there are 8 living players loyal to the Death Eaters, the Death Eater kill power is 3, and there are 10 living players with potential alternate victories remaining. So, our helpful hint is that there are 10 people out of 31 with alternate win conditions. This is almost 1/3 players with ulterior motives. I'm glad the mayor doesn't have much power. It's great to have mayoral elections so there's something to talk about day one (other than lynching the inactives lol), but I don't trust anyone putting themselves out there for mayor. As for LSB's plan-- If LSB is mafia, the plan can be abused by mafia by manipulating votes as normal (same as a public vote, except worse because people won't have to post their reasoning). If the auditor is also red, scum can manipulate the reported result as well. If LSB is town, but the auditor is red, death eaters can still manipulate the votes as normal. Only if both LSB and auditor are pro town do we get any benefit from this plan. Actually, the auditor makes the odds worse... So, interesting idea, LSB, but it relies too much on us having to trust you.
Although this seems like a large post. Take a look at it closely. It doesn’t state anything.
First Aidani is trying to seem like he is contributing to the town by discussing the setup. Two paragraphs that are junk and basically irrelevant to the game.
Next he proceeds to criticize the plan. Although it seems like real though. Take note. All these points were already brought up before or are already addressed
Aidani in this post is doing nothing but making a façade of analysis
On December 12 2010 05:56 aidnai wrote:
Meapak's summary of MoM candidates is not very accurate. It's more like
-LSB advocates private votes for lynch. There may be advantages or disadvantages, which town can discuss
-A few others advocate public (normal) votes for lynch. This completely trivializes the MoM position.
-A few others are trying to pressure or disrupt by making their platform a specific lynch.
I like what LSB is doing. I don't see how his option is necessarily worse than the other options, and it has the added benefit of generating day 1 discussion.
On the other hand, if we vote for 'someone who will listen to the town', we might as well forget there even is a MoM. Just RNG a mayor, vote as normal for a lynch, lynch the mayor day 2 if he fails to comply.
RoL's tactic would look better to me if he would provide some justification. RoL, you need to be able to convince town that there is something to your hunches.
Firstly, he completely reversed his position on my plan. Very wishy washy. But he’s doing this without actually taking a position. All he says is “there are some good some bad”. Looks like he’s avoiding the issue.
Note one thing, non of the top candidates for the mayor are mafia. I’m getting a green read on Meapak, and I still believe that RoL is Mayor.
There doesn’t seem to be a way for the mafia to take the mayorship. Aidnai then says “How about we RNG a mayor?”
Yeah… Aidnai is trying to get us to trust him with who should be mayor. And just watch, he’ll ‘randomly’ choose someone who happens to be scum.
On December 12 2010 17:52 aidnai wrote:Meapak, you have my vote. We've spent a lot of time discussing the candidacy of LSB and RoL. What about deconduo? Here's his posts so far: Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 00:25 deconduo wrote:I'm going to run for MoM as well. I'm not veteran, but I have played a few games. I'm not going to hold a vote for who to lynch, but I will listen to peoples advice and make my own decision. I feel this way I am pretty transparent, and its much more difficult for mafia to manipulate the lynch. So vote for me  Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 01:44 deconduo wrote:On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! If you are gonna help us win anyway, why do we need you as mayor?  Vote for me instead. Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game?? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 03:04 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:55 Pandain wrote:
what powers does mayor have? Picks first day lynch, thats all. No bodyguards or anything. Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 05:44 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 04:39 Radfield wrote:On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game?? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. That was Rastaban I think. You killed me night one, at the very least you sent me a PM apologizing Yah my mistake. I got mixed up between you two. Was a fun game though Announces candidacy, plugs candidacy, then gets side tracked for three posts--not much of a campaign imo. Yet he was able to garner votes from Jackal58, ilovejonn, and CubEdIn. Why did you three vote for such a non-chalant candidate? Especially Jackal58 and ilovejonn, who are both lurking pretty hard-core.
Doesn't actually do much. It's like he's trying to get other people to do analysis on Deconduo without putting an opinion himself
+ Show Spoiler [Irrelevant Smurf Stuff] +On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. On December 11 2010 14:42 aidnai wrote:
Alright, we have a few smurfs.
The true identities have not been revealed so the smurf is doing its job.
The mod and players are aware that there are smurfs, so we know not to talk about the game with people outside the thread.
Can we all be happy with this? I don't think Annul should learn the identity of the smurfs, since that would give him a leg up in future games.... On December 12 2010 02:53 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 23:15 Jackal58 wrote:On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. My first game. And I'm already making an impression. Scum right there folks. 'What is a smurf?' Let me try to define it for you. - Joined TL.net november 14 - Requested access to the mafia forum november 14 - Posted nowhere else except this game Rather than argue details about past games, here's a policy we could discuss right now: LAL. On December 12 2010 03:13 aidnai wrote:
Ok, i'm sorry for bringing up smurfs again. Smurf or not *actually* wasn't the main point of post--it's just strange to me that an honest-to-god newbie has no other question about the game than 'what is a smurf'. He looked suspicious, so I wanted to see how/if he reacted. This is just Aidnai trying to seem like he is active and contributing to the game, talking about a subject that doesn't matter at all
+ Show Spoiler [Minor, Unimportant posts] +On December 11 2010 14:50 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 14:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
<3 sorry I will stop with the argument! I would rather establish smurfs with alternate play styles and run with a few different accounts than constantly making new names and asking for access and jumping through all the hoops that go with that -__-;
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on topic.
vote for me if you want, I will kill LSB day one! That is my platform.
Legit, that is my platform. Upon being elected I will kill LSB, vote for me. rofl, you're screwed lsb! unless unfortunate complications arise causing RoL to excuse himself from the game. Actually, I really would love to hear your reasoning on this, rebirth-of-sherlock-fucking-holmes... Question/spamish post. Not much can be gleaned On December 12 2010 03:00 aidnai wrote:
From D1 post:
On day one, you must vote for a Minister for Magic. Note above the thirty-one eligible candidates. There are thirty-one players. Coincidence? Nope! The Minister will have no further powers beyond day one (no bodyguards, et cetera) and his only game power will be to decide the day one kill. Election will end at 7 PM EST on Sunday, December 12. The kill submission must come before 9 PM EST the same day. Vote for Minister in the voting thread. Not much here either
Conclusion
Aidnai is mafia, trying to avoid topics and pretend to be active.
##Lynch: Aidnai
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It is now TWILIGHT 1.
All voting is finished. We have elected a new Minister for Magic, Meapak_Ziphh!
He is to communicate his lynch target to me, in private, and the night will officially begin in two hours.
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I love the way you try to play the whole neutral card by trying to come off like you don't suspect me or meapak. Is your goal still to make everyone like you by playing nice nice while simultaneously misdirecting the town to bad lynches?
I played with Aidnai last game, he gave off really obvious scumtells. This game he is letting off none of those tells and you are making a mountain out of a molehill. There is not really much to talk about day 1 so saying he said nothing pretty much summarizes all town actions apart from probably three players who generated the original content that was then regurgitated.
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So are we having a lynch vote?
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If lynch vote begins now you know where my vote goes!
##Vote: LSB
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Ok people here are my possible targets:
Deconduo
I've already explained why I think he should be lynched.
Aidnai
He's the person who I've been keeping an eye on and LSB did a very good analyis of him
+ Show Spoiler +On December 13 2010 09:00 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:07 aidnai wrote:On December 11 2010 10:28 annul wrote:
THREE MORE IMPORTANT FACTS:
1. there are some number of smurfs in this game. be aware.
2. pay very close attention to the final line of every cycle change post. helpful hint.
3. a reminder from the OP: if a player has a special ability, it will be somewhat related to their character/entity. in this way, a large number of possible roles can already be guessed at. google is awesomesauce. not all players have special abilities, even ones that may be "obvious" to have power roles. On December 11 2010 10:02 annul wrote:
Hello! I am NotAnnul, your tour guide throughout wizarding Britain!
Welcome to Hogsmeade, the wizarding city. Stores line the streets, such as Dervish and Banges,
...
As of day 1, there are 8 living players loyal to the Death Eaters, the Death Eater kill power is 3, and there are 10 living players with potential alternate victories remaining. So, our helpful hint is that there are 10 people out of 31 with alternate win conditions. This is almost 1/3 players with ulterior motives. I'm glad the mayor doesn't have much power. It's great to have mayoral elections so there's something to talk about day one (other than lynching the inactives lol), but I don't trust anyone putting themselves out there for mayor. As for LSB's plan-- If LSB is mafia, the plan can be abused by mafia by manipulating votes as normal (same as a public vote, except worse because people won't have to post their reasoning). If the auditor is also red, scum can manipulate the reported result as well. If LSB is town, but the auditor is red, death eaters can still manipulate the votes as normal. Only if both LSB and auditor are pro town do we get any benefit from this plan. Actually, the auditor makes the odds worse... So, interesting idea, LSB, but it relies too much on us having to trust you. Although this seems like a large post. Take a look at it closely. It doesn’t state anything. First Aidani is trying to seem like he is contributing to the town by discussing the setup. Two paragraphs that are junk and basically irrelevant to the game. Next he proceeds to criticize the plan. Although it seems like real though. Take note. All these points were already brought up before or are already addressedAidani in this post is doing nothing but making a façade of analysis Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 05:56 aidnai wrote:
Meapak's summary of MoM candidates is not very accurate. It's more like
-LSB advocates private votes for lynch. There may be advantages or disadvantages, which town can discuss
-A few others advocate public (normal) votes for lynch. This completely trivializes the MoM position.
-A few others are trying to pressure or disrupt by making their platform a specific lynch.
I like what LSB is doing. I don't see how his option is necessarily worse than the other options, and it has the added benefit of generating day 1 discussion.
On the other hand, if we vote for 'someone who will listen to the town', we might as well forget there even is a MoM. Just RNG a mayor, vote as normal for a lynch, lynch the mayor day 2 if he fails to comply.
RoL's tactic would look better to me if he would provide some justification. RoL, you need to be able to convince town that there is something to your hunches. Firstly, he completely reversed his position on my plan. Very wishy washy. But he’s doing this without actually taking a position. All he says is “there are some good some bad”. Looks like he’s avoiding the issue. Note one thing, non of the top candidates for the mayor are mafia. I’m getting a green read on Meapak, and I still believe that RoL is Mayor. There doesn’t seem to be a way for the mafia to take the mayorship. Aidnai then says “How about we RNG a mayor?” Yeah… Aidnai is trying to get us to trust him with who should be mayor. And just watch, he’ll ‘randomly’ choose someone who happens to be scum. Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 17:52 aidnai wrote:Meapak, you have my vote. We've spent a lot of time discussing the candidacy of LSB and RoL. What about deconduo? Here's his posts so far: On December 12 2010 00:25 deconduo wrote:I'm going to run for MoM as well. I'm not veteran, but I have played a few games. I'm not going to hold a vote for who to lynch, but I will listen to peoples advice and make my own decision. I feel this way I am pretty transparent, and its much more difficult for mafia to manipulate the lynch. So vote for me On December 12 2010 01:44 deconduo wrote:On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! If you are gonna help us win anyway, why do we need you as mayor? Vote for me instead. On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game?? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. On December 12 2010 03:04 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:55 Pandain wrote:
what powers does mayor have? Picks first day lynch, thats all. No bodyguards or anything. On December 12 2010 05:44 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 04:39 Radfield wrote:On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game?? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. That was Rastaban I think. You killed me night one, at the very least you sent me a PM apologizing Yah my mistake. I got mixed up between you two. Was a fun game though Announces candidacy, plugs candidacy, then gets side tracked for three posts--not much of a campaign imo. Yet he was able to garner votes from Jackal58, ilovejonn, and CubEdIn. Why did you three vote for such a non-chalant candidate? Especially Jackal58 and ilovejonn, who are both lurking pretty hard-core. Doesn't actually do much. It's like he's trying to get other people to do analysis on Deconduo without putting an opinion himself + Show Spoiler [Irrelevant Smurf Stuff] +On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. On December 11 2010 14:42 aidnai wrote:
Alright, we have a few smurfs.
The true identities have not been revealed so the smurf is doing its job.
The mod and players are aware that there are smurfs, so we know not to talk about the game with people outside the thread.
Can we all be happy with this? I don't think Annul should learn the identity of the smurfs, since that would give him a leg up in future games.... On December 12 2010 02:53 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 23:15 Jackal58 wrote:On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. My first game. And I'm already making an impression. Scum right there folks. 'What is a smurf?' Let me try to define it for you. - Joined TL.net november 14 - Requested access to the mafia forum november 14 - Posted nowhere else except this game Rather than argue details about past games, here's a policy we could discuss right now: LAL. On December 12 2010 03:13 aidnai wrote:
Ok, i'm sorry for bringing up smurfs again. Smurf or not *actually* wasn't the main point of post--it's just strange to me that an honest-to-god newbie has no other question about the game than 'what is a smurf'. He looked suspicious, so I wanted to see how/if he reacted. This is just Aidnai trying to seem like he is active and contributing to the game, talking about a subject that doesn't matter at all On December 11 2010 14:50 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 14:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
<3 sorry I will stop with the argument! I would rather establish smurfs with alternate play styles and run with a few different accounts than constantly making new names and asking for access and jumping through all the hoops that go with that -__-;
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on topic.
vote for me if you want, I will kill LSB day one! That is my platform.
Legit, that is my platform. Upon being elected I will kill LSB, vote for me. rofl, you're screwed lsb! unless unfortunate complications arise causing RoL to excuse himself from the game. Actually, I really would love to hear your reasoning on this, rebirth-of-sherlock-fucking-holmes... Question/spamish post. Not much can be gleaned On December 12 2010 03:00 aidnai wrote:
From D1 post:
On day one, you must vote for a Minister for Magic. Note above the thirty-one eligible candidates. There are thirty-one players. Coincidence? Nope! The Minister will have no further powers beyond day one (no bodyguards, et cetera) and his only game power will be to decide the day one kill. Election will end at 7 PM EST on Sunday, December 12. The kill submission must come before 9 PM EST the same day. Vote for Minister in the voting thread. Not much here either Aidnai is mafia, trying to avoid topics and pretend to be active. ##Lynch: Aidnai
My final target would be Pandain
Please let me know who it should be so I can let annul know.
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Will you listen to us if we want anyone other than those 3 Meapak? Or do we have to choose from that list? Just curious what your policy is
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On December 13 2010 09:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I love the way you try to play the whole neutral card by trying to come off like you don't suspect me or meapak. Is your goal still to make everyone like you by playing nice nice while simultaneously misdirecting the town to bad lynches?
Lets not be townie on townie. All this is going to bring is wasted lynches.
I played with Aidnai last game, he gave off really obvious scumtells. This game he is letting off none of those tells and you are making a mountain out of a molehill. There is not really much to talk about day 1 so saying he said nothing pretty much summarizes all town actions apart from probably three players who generated the original content that was then regurgitated.
Yeah. And in Experimental Mafia Aidnai was mafia. That confirms that as scum he gives off these scumtells.
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other possible targets would be ilovejohn or beneather
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@Meapak, I voted for you. I hope you make a correct decision.
Here's my list again.
1. LSB
On December 12 2010 09:32 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 09:30 Airbag wrote:
I think there is probably an easy solution
maybe RoL is a VI so if someone is elected he shouldnt be lynched. i think instead a detective role should check him. if he is a scum then build a case and if he is a village idiot make sure he is not getting lynched
i think we should vote for meapak, beneather, or someone who will go with the flow of town. i dont want a mafia to manipulate this vote so that is the best thing to do. lsb's secret vote thing is just not good and he sent me some pms that make me feel a little uncomfortable to be quite honest What's uncomfortable about the PMs? You never responded! I've attached it for your convenience. + Show Spoiler +I'd rather not draw that much attention to myself...
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Original Message From LSB:
If you want, you can be the auditor.
The thing is, since I'm doing it, the mafia won't be able to slip in and and manipulate the vote.
Changing the voting record is also a problem with normal voting. All the mafia has to do is decide slightly earlier.
If you really don't like the private vote idea. (I take it the general sentiment is that they don't want it) We can do reasoned voting, or runoff voting
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Original Message From Airbag:
but if you are mafia it increases the ways in which you can manipulate the vote and it gives the mafia a long time to discuss how they'd like their voting record to look without ever having to appear wishy washy for changing it
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Original Message From LSB:
The issue is that people like to go with the bandwagon. It seems safer, and there is a false sense of security in voting with the majority.
Private votes allow each person to make their decision independently. It cuts off ways for the mafia to influence people.
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Original Message From Airbag:
I understand wanting to vote for a player with experience but you can just manipulate the votes if ur mafia
Why not just have people post their votes publicly, then it's completely impossible for you to lie about it. On December 12 2010 09:34 Airbag wrote:isn't it suspicious that you omitted this part Show nested quote +why not?
If you are blue, I understand. If you are green, you should do it to be a meat shield for other blues.
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Original Message From Airbag:
I'd rather not draw that much attention to myself... sounds like u want me to tell you if i am a good role or not so mafia can kill me for it?
PMs are supposed to be private. If you're going to post it
1. You better have a good reason, and
2. You better post the whole conversation without any omissions or changes.
That's the only way town can maintain its trust in PMs for it to be not posted and not manipulated to fake a red roleclaim. How can anyone who claims to be pro-town to do such a thing? This isn't a photoshop or a writing competition. If you start making up PMs, we go into a no-man's land where the reds can just laugh in the background as towns kill themselves. How can you be any redder?
The last game someone posted their full PM conversations and subtly altered them was in Haunted Mafia, by Bill Murray. We all know how that ended up.
2. RebirthOfLegend
Throughout his mayoral candidacy, he kept pushing for a decision based on his gut feelings only.
On December 12 2010 05:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I did not once say I would listen to anyone. The masses are stupid and filled with scum and scum implanted ideas. On December 12 2010 06:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
but that is effort I don't want to put into stuff! Its actually not even a hunch, I just want to kill LSB for not hitting incognito/infundiblium in TMM2.
Again, if you didn't get it:
The masses are stupid Its actually not even a hunch, I just want to kill LSB
He kept pushing for this and openly said he won't be held accountable for whoever he kills.
i.e. if we chose him as our mayor and he suddenly said, just now, "Oh, I'll just kill XXX because I feel like it, ##lynch XXXX" and XXXX turns out to be blue. We can't say shit since we'd have already given him permission to kill whoever he wants. This goes against the very thing town stands for - the power of numbers over the reds.
Both players strongly give off many scum tells.
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On December 13 2010 09:11 Thegilaboy wrote:
Will you listen to us if we want anyone other than those 3 Meapak? Or do we have to choose from that list? Just curious what your policy is
Well these people have been pretty heavily discussed, I added two other names because they were discussed as well. If you find a really good reason to lynch someone else I'll consider it but I'd like to focus our debate so we can fully analyze the situation.
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On December 13 2010 09:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 09:11 Thegilaboy wrote:
Will you listen to us if we want anyone other than those 3 Meapak? Or do we have to choose from that list? Just curious what your policy is Well these people have been pretty heavily discussed, I added two other names because they were discussed as well. If you find a really good reason to lynch someone else I'll consider it but I'd like to focus our debate so we can fully analyze the situation.
You actually added people I was interested in having lynched, so it's all good haha
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On December 13 2010 09:13 orgolove wrote:@Meapak, I voted for you. I hope you make a correct decision. Here's my list again. 1. LSBShow nested quote +On December 12 2010 09:32 LSB wrote:On December 12 2010 09:30 Airbag wrote:
I think there is probably an easy solution
maybe RoL is a VI so if someone is elected he shouldnt be lynched. i think instead a detective role should check him. if he is a scum then build a case and if he is a village idiot make sure he is not getting lynched
i think we should vote for meapak, beneather, or someone who will go with the flow of town. i dont want a mafia to manipulate this vote so that is the best thing to do. lsb's secret vote thing is just not good and he sent me some pms that make me feel a little uncomfortable to be quite honest What's uncomfortable about the PMs? You never responded! I've attached it for your convenience. + Show Spoiler +I'd rather not draw that much attention to myself...
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Original Message From LSB:
If you want, you can be the auditor.
The thing is, since I'm doing it, the mafia won't be able to slip in and and manipulate the vote.
Changing the voting record is also a problem with normal voting. All the mafia has to do is decide slightly earlier.
If you really don't like the private vote idea. (I take it the general sentiment is that they don't want it) We can do reasoned voting, or runoff voting
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Original Message From Airbag:
but if you are mafia it increases the ways in which you can manipulate the vote and it gives the mafia a long time to discuss how they'd like their voting record to look without ever having to appear wishy washy for changing it
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Original Message From LSB:
The issue is that people like to go with the bandwagon. It seems safer, and there is a false sense of security in voting with the majority.
Private votes allow each person to make their decision independently. It cuts off ways for the mafia to influence people.
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Original Message From Airbag:
I understand wanting to vote for a player with experience but you can just manipulate the votes if ur mafia
Why not just have people post their votes publicly, then it's completely impossible for you to lie about it. Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 09:34 Airbag wrote:isn't it suspicious that you omitted this part why not?
If you are blue, I understand. If you are green, you should do it to be a meat shield for other blues.
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Original Message From Airbag:
I'd rather not draw that much attention to myself... sounds like u want me to tell you if i am a good role or not so mafia can kill me for it? PMs are supposed to be private. If you're going to post it 1. You better have a good reason, and 2. You better post the whole conversation without any omissions or changes.That's the only way town can maintain its trust in PMs for it to be not posted and not manipulated to fake a red roleclaim. How can anyone who claims to be pro-town to do such a thing? This isn't a photoshop or a writing competition. If you start making up PMs, we go into a no-man's land where the reds can just laugh in the background as towns kill themselves. How can you be any redder? The last game someone posted their full PM conversations and subtly altered them was in Haunted Mafia, by Bill Murray. We all know how that ended up.
2. RebirthOfLegendThroughout his mayoral candidacy, he kept pushing for a decision based on his gut feelings only. Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 05:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I did not once say I would listen to anyone. The masses are stupid and filled with scum and scum implanted ideas. Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 06:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
but that is effort I don't want to put into stuff! Its actually not even a hunch, I just want to kill LSB for not hitting incognito/infundiblium in TMM2. Again, if you didn't get it: He kept pushing for this and openly said he won't be held accountable for whoever he kills. i.e. if we chose him as our mayor and he suddenly said, just now, "Oh, I'll just kill XXX because I feel like it, ##lynch XXXX" and XXXX turns out to be blue. We can't say shit since we'd have already given him permission to kill whoever he wants. This goes against the very thing town stands for - the power of numbers over the reds.
Both players strongly give off many scum tells.
I appreciate your vote however baring massive town resistance I will not be lynching LSB or RoL. They've both mellowed out and have started posting much better and being helpful. I in no way trust them but at this point I'd rather dt check them and then learn the results and go from there.
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On December 13 2010 09:13 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 09:32 LSB wrote:On December 12 2010 09:30 Airbag wrote:
I think there is probably an easy solution
maybe RoL is a VI so if someone is elected he shouldnt be lynched. i think instead a detective role should check him. if he is a scum then build a case and if he is a village idiot make sure he is not getting lynched
i think we should vote for meapak, beneather, or someone who will go with the flow of town. i dont want a mafia to manipulate this vote so that is the best thing to do. lsb's secret vote thing is just not good and he sent me some pms that make me feel a little uncomfortable to be quite honest What's uncomfortable about the PMs? You never responded! I've attached it for your convenience. + Show Spoiler +I'd rather not draw that much attention to myself...
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Original Message From LSB:
If you want, you can be the auditor.
The thing is, since I'm doing it, the mafia won't be able to slip in and and manipulate the vote.
Changing the voting record is also a problem with normal voting. All the mafia has to do is decide slightly earlier.
If you really don't like the private vote idea. (I take it the general sentiment is that they don't want it) We can do reasoned voting, or runoff voting
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Original Message From Airbag:
but if you are mafia it increases the ways in which you can manipulate the vote and it gives the mafia a long time to discuss how they'd like their voting record to look without ever having to appear wishy washy for changing it
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Original Message From LSB:
The issue is that people like to go with the bandwagon. It seems safer, and there is a false sense of security in voting with the majority.
Private votes allow each person to make their decision independently. It cuts off ways for the mafia to influence people.
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Original Message From Airbag:
I understand wanting to vote for a player with experience but you can just manipulate the votes if ur mafia
Why not just have people post their votes publicly, then it's completely impossible for you to lie about it. Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 09:34 Airbag wrote:isn't it suspicious that you omitted this part why not?
If you are blue, I understand. If you are green, you should do it to be a meat shield for other blues.
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Original Message From Airbag:
I'd rather not draw that much attention to myself... sounds like u want me to tell you if i am a good role or not so mafia can kill me for it? PMs are supposed to be private. If you're going to post it 1. You better have a good reason, and 2. You better post the whole conversation without any omissions or changes.That's the only way town can maintain its trust in PMs for it to be not posted and not manipulated to fake a red roleclaim. How can anyone who claims to be pro-town to do such a thing? This isn't a photoshop or a writing competition. If you start making up PMs, we go into a no-man's land where the reds can just laugh in the background as towns kill themselves. How can you be any redder? The last game someone posted their full PM conversations and subtly altered them was in Haunted Mafia, by Bill Murray. We all know how that ended up.
These Messages obviously don't need an extra level of secrecy. Blanket polices don't work.
I assumed Airbag's lack of response was confirmation that he was blue and didn't want to be noticed.
Although I did feel that his lack of response meant that he probably was red, I omitted it to see what he would do about it.
The fact that he did post that and drew attention to himself is quiet suspicious.
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